MSI K7T-Turbo and XP2200+?

[Ricola]

Hi Y'all,

Is anyone using an MSI K7T-Turbo with the new 2200+ Athlon successfully? The web-site only says it supports up to an 1800+ but we all know how outdated that info usually is. I know that DDR would definitely be the way to go, but I don't feel like pulling my motherboard right now.

Thansk,
Rico

 

[Boonesmi]

the newest bios for your board (bios version 3.5) is listed to add support for xp2200+ link

 

[CharlieMike]

sorry--i have the same motherboard. it specifically states on www.msi.com.tw that the K7T-Turbo (6330) will support a maximum of XP1800+

now...the K7T-Turbo Pro, I believe, is the board that supports the higher/newer AMD processors.

but for the Turbo, your max is the 1800+

 

[Boonesmi]

that was probably written with the xp1800+ was the fastest cpu that existed

the bios update for the board claims to add support for the 2200+
meaning your board (with the bios update) should support it without any problems

 

[NesuD]

bios revision 3.3 specifically added 2000+ support on the k7t turbo. tbred support was added for the turbo2 board only. Not saying it won't work can't say for sure if it will either. people on msi's forums still say that running a 2000+ is a recipes for a quick board burnout in spite of the fact that i have been running one for several weeks now with no issues. They keep claiming the power draw of an xp 2000+ is to high for the board to handle which is ridiculous since an xp2000+ actually pulls slightly less peak watts than a 1.4 gig tbird which is approved for the turbo board. I would think the only issue might be the bios recognizing the cpu correctly. the most recent bios should allow proper recognition of the chip but it may not since that is only supposed to be for the turbo2. since the chip is rated as using 67.9 watts at peak by amd i would think that electrically the board should be able to run it ok.

 

[CharlieMike]

NesuD-

Do not post information as fact when you have no support!!!!!! :|

To set this story straight, we are talking about the K7T Turbo (MS-6330) Ver3.0.

MSI's website states the following about the K7T Turbo (MS-6330) Ver3.0 board:

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=100&MODEL=MS-6330%20Ver3.0

- Support Socket A for AMD® Athlon? / Duron? / Athlon? XP
Processors
- Supports 600MHz~1.4GHz / Athlon? XP 1800+

and, again, here:
Bios Link

BIOS Type: Award® BIOS
File Size: 275KB
Version: 3.5
Update date: 2002-6-30
Update Description
-Support AMD XP 2200+ (K7T Turbo2 only)
-Fixed AMD XP 1700+ misdisplay issue (For K7T Turbo, K7T Turbo Limited & K7T Turbo2 only)
-Update OnBoard Promise BIOS to support 160G HDD

Now, Bios version 3.0 specifically states that the Turbo2 is the only processor that can support processors above 1800+:

BIOS Type: Award® BIOS
File Size: 264KB
Version: 3.0
Update date: 2001-9-25
Update Description
-K7T Turbo2 Award BIOS first release.
-Special note: Only K7T Turbo2 can support Athlon XP 1800+ CPU & above

But wait!, you may say...Award Bois 3.3 supports 2000+. Please note this comment in the bios Update Description:

Support AMD XP 2000+ (For K7T Turbo2 only)

.

Ergo, the K7T Turbo (MS-6330) Ver3.0 will only support up to 1800+.

bam.

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: CharlieMike
NesuD-

Do not post information as fact when you have no support!!!!!! :|

To set this story straight, we are talking about the K7T Turbo (MS-6330) Ver3.0.


MSI's website states the following about the K7T Turbo (MS-6330) Ver3.0 board:

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=100&MODEL=MS-6330%20Ver3.0

- Support Socket A for AMD® Athlon? / Duron? / Athlon? XP
Processors
- Supports 600MHz~1.4GHz / Athlon? XP 1800+

and, again, here:
Bios Link

BIOS Type: Award® BIOS
File Size: 275KB
Version: 3.5
Update date: 2002-6-30
Update Description
-Support AMD XP 2200+ (K7T Turbo2 only)
-Fixed AMD XP 1700+ misdisplay issue (For K7T Turbo, K7T Turbo Limited & K7T Turbo2 only)
-Update OnBoard Promise BIOS to support 160G HDD

Now, Bios version 3.0 specifically states that the Turbo2 is the only processor that can support processors above 1800+:

BIOS Type: Award® BIOS
File Size: 264KB
Version: 3.0
Update date: 2001-9-25
Update Description
-K7T Turbo2 Award BIOS first release.
-Special note: Only K7T Turbo2 can support Athlon XP 1800+ CPU & above

But wait!, you may say...Award Bois 3.3 supports 2000+. Please note this comment in the bios Update Description:

Support AMD XP 2000+ (For K7T Turbo2 only)

.

Ergo, the K7T Turbo (MS-6330) Ver3.0 will only support up to 1800+.

bam.

So are you saying that 20 days ago or so when i made my post that i was lying? If you knew how to read you might have noticed that i was also talking about the K7T Turbo (ms-6330) ver 3.0 I am well aware that msi's website say the board only supports up to 1800+. I also have a running K7T Turbo LE that i am using right now that has been running a correctly recognized 2000+ for 2 months now with no problems whatsoever.
The note under the 3.3 bios stating support 2000+ only for the Turbo 2 has been recently added to the bios page. It wasn't there Aug 5 when i made my original post. The fact that my board will correctly recognize the chip pretty much proves that the bios will support it doesn't it. As i stated before Electrically there is no reason that a 2000+ should not run on a Turbo board since according to amd's tech docs it uses less peak power than a tbird 1.4 gig Athlon XP Technical documentation. look under thermal design and it will show you that a 2000+ uses 70 watts peak. Athlon tbird technical docs once again look under thermal design and you will see that a 1.4 gig athlon uses 72.1 watts maximum. Your whole misguided attempt at somehow making me look like an idiot hinges therfore on the simple fact that msi has in the past couple of weeks updated their bios page to say the 3.3 bios adds 2000+ support for the turbo2 only. Which I know isn't true as i have a working board here that proves otherwise.
So whats with the Bam crap? Figure that your 15 posts give you the right to be some kind of ignorant moron? Figure again pal. You keep that crap up and eventually you will get booted like many another trolling moron around here.

P.S. turn on your pm's you coward and your profile to. I name you here and now a low life sneaky Troll deserving of abuse and ridicule at each and every opportunity.

 

[CharlieMike]

P.S. turn on your pm's you coward and your profile to. I name you here and now a low life sneaky Troll deserving of abuse and ridicule at each and every opportunity.

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HA HA HA HAH HA HA HA HA AH HAH HAH HA HA HA HA....

 

[NesuD]

Laugh it up Troll boy. Heres some proof that the 3.3 bios does in fact add bios support for the 2000+ Athlon Xp on the turbo LE MS-6330 board
Link1
Link2
As you can see i enabled the splash screen to Id the board as in fact a turbo LE which is for all practical purposes is simply a turbo with a couple premium features added and uses the exact same bios as the standard turbo. On Msi's website the Le page also indicates official support only up to 1800+. The bios page shows as you pointed out so crudely that bios 3.3 adds support for the 2000+ but now contains the caveat indicating 2000+ support for the Turbo2 only which wasn't there on the 5th when i made my original post. The point is that regardless of what msi is saying the fact of the matter is that a 2000+ will run fine in a turbo board. There is no reason from a power perspective that it wouldn't. And the fact that the 3.3 bios adds support allowing the board to properly recognize the chip (regardless of the fact that their notes say it is only for thr turbo2) Tells me that they are 1) trying to promote thr obsolesence of the turbo board to force the purchase of newer in production models or 2) a little gun shy after the sudden death fiasco with the pro2 a's and some of the early turbos or 3) maybe a little of both 1 and 2. Now whether a 2200+ tbred will work i haven't a clue. I would only say possibly. From a power standpoint it should and since the 3.5 bios should enable proper recognition of the chip i don't see why it wouldn't but on the other hand i am not an EE so there may be more to the tbred than what i know.
As for your slap happy trollish methods of trying to point out someone elses error which is this case is not an error. You should really rethink how you comport yourself here. I know it is very tough for someone with a 14 year old mentality to do such but I am confident that if you work very hard at it you can learn some basic civility.

 

[Citation7]

Using the search engine I found your thread on the K7T Turbo Board. I have the same board MS-6330 with the 2.4 BIOS. I am ready for some more power and am unable to update the BIOS. Can any of you please tell me how you update your BIOS please. I put out a general post on this subject in the Motherboard forum.

K7T Turbo
512 Micron 133+ SDRAM
Leadtek 256 Geforce 2
52X Creative
32X Lite-on Burner
1 GHZ @ 266
Zip Drive - will not work with 2.4 BIOS?

Looking to upgrade it a little!

Thanks for your help

 

[tcsenter]

The note under the 3.3 bios stating support 2000+ only for the Turbo 2 has been recently added to the bios page. It wasn't there Aug 5 when i made my original post.

MSI has issued warnings for a long time now that the K7T Turbo (MS6330-v3.0) would not support Athlon XP processors > 1800+ and that the K7T Turbo2 would be its replacement (supporting faster processors), and the 2000+ was already shipping at the time they made the warning.

I know because I built a K7T Turbo (MS6330-v3.0) for a friend in April of 2001 and have been checking the MSI website periodically for max CPU support. In fact, BIOS Version 3.0 has been released since September 25th of 2001, exactly 366 days ago, and it has ALWAYS specified "Special Note: Only K7T Turbo2 can support Athlon XP 1800+ CPU & above".

Now, I don't know how there could be any room for interpretation there. That warning isn't ambiguous at all. Given the consistency and REPETITVE nature of MSI's warning that the K7T Turbo (MS6330-v3.0) would not support XP > 1800+, for a full year now, and the consistency of all new BIOS adding support for XP > 1800+ stating in the release notes 'K7T TURBO2 ONLY', why anyone would believe that MSI 'suddenly' changed its mind after maintaining for a year the limitation of the K7T Turbo and released a BIOS which was intended to enable the K7T Turbo (v3.0) to work with XP > 1800+ after a year of saying it wouldn't, instead of the more likely event that MSI simply forgot to mention that the enhanced processor support didn't apply to the K7T Turbo because a reasonable person might have guessed that after a year of repetitive and consistent warnings, any half-baked idiot would have gotten the MESSAGE BY NOW, I don't know.

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

The note under the 3.3 bios stating support 2000+ only for the Turbo 2 has been recently added to the bios page. It wasn't there Aug 5 when i made my original post.

MSI has issued warnings for a long time now that the K7T Turbo (MS6330-v3.0) would not support Athlon XP processors > 1800+ and that the K7T Turbo2 would be its replacement (supporting faster processors), and the 2000+ was already shipping at the time they made the warning.

I know because I built a K7T Turbo (MS6330-v3.0) for a friend in April of 2001 and have been checking the MSI website periodically for max CPU support. In fact, BIOS Version 3.0 has been released since September 25th of 2001, exactly 366 days ago, and it has ALWAYS specified "Special Note: Only K7T Turbo2 can support Athlon XP 1800+ CPU & above".

Now, I don't know how there could be any room for interpretation there. That warning isn't ambiguous at all. Given the consistency and REPETITVE nature of MSI's warning that the K7T Turbo (MS6330-v3.0) would not support XP > 1800+, for a full year now, and the consistency of all new BIOS adding support for XP > 1800+ stating in the release notes 'K7T TURBO2 ONLY', why anyone would believe that MSI 'suddenly' changed its mind after maintaining for a year the limitation of the K7T Turbo and released a BIOS which was intended to enable the K7T Turbo (v3.0) to work with XP > 1800+ after a year of saying it wouldn't, instead of the more likely event that MSI simply forgot to mention that the enhanced processor support didn't apply to the K7T Turbo because a reasonable person might have guessed that after a year of repetitive and consistent warnings, any half-baked idiot would have gotten the MESSAGE BY NOW, I don't know.

Ok let me repeat myself here as maybe i wasn't perfectly clear. On august 5th the notations on msi's bios page simply said that the 3.3 bios added support for the 2000+ cpu. At that time that is the only notation for that bios. The notation for bios 3.3 stating that was for turbo2 only was added after that time. I am fully aware that 3.0 stated support for athlon xp's above 1800+ was only for the turbo2 board. Here is an interesting fact to consider though. A 2000+ has slightly lower power usage than tbird 1.4 gig processor. Does it make sense that the board wouldn't be able to provide that kind of power for an xp athlon but can for the tbird. Here is another fact to consider. I am currently posting this reply from a machine using a Turbo LE board that correctly recognizes the processor as an Athlon xp 2000+ running perfectly in it for over 3 months now. All I am stating is that at the time of my original Aug 5 post the msi bios page clearly said 3.3 added support for 2000+ xp processors and that is all it said. At that time there was no mention of that support being for turbo 2 only. Knowing what i know about the turbo in actuality being perfectly capable of running a 2000+ I took it to mean that they had decided that the board could do it after all and had simply not changed the notation on the 3.0 bios. I find it irritating that someone would come in to the thread 3/4 of a month later and start accusing me of intentionally spreading false info (which i was not) At the time i made the post all of it was exactly as i said. I never once said that 3.0 did not state for 1800+ or above for turbo 2 only. I expect that the notation was changed after threads discussed this very subject in MSI's own forums and my observation was noted by several posters there as well. Here are some links to the threads.


Thread 1
Thread 2
Thread 3

If you check out these threads you will see that i was not the only one who read the 2000+ support note for version 3.3 with no mention of it being for turbo 2 only. These threads also note the 1800+ limitation noted in ver 3.0. The dates of those threads clearly show that in mid July certainly what i said about the 3.3 bios notes was definately true at that point in time. Pay special attention to Andromedas post in Thread 2 he clearly states exactly what i saw in their bios page. This topic was discussed extensively in these threads in msi's forums and no one there felt it necessary to be insulting and call people in effect liars. I have been a member of these forums longer than most of the current members and i must say this is the first time I have ever been called a liar by anyone. Excuse if i am just a little bit chapped about that. Is it not possible that MSI simply decided to end official support to force users to go to the newer board? I personally think that this is actually the primary reason for the 1800+ limitation. As i have stated previously there is no reason from a power standpoint that the board shouldn't be perfectly capable of powering a 2000+ just as well as it could power the officially supported 1400 mhz tbird Athlon. The tbird uses more power than the 2000+ xp. That is a fact and is easily verified in AMD's techdocs on the 2 processors. Please feel free to PM me If you would like to discuss this further. My argument is simply that just because MSI doesn't officially support it doesn't really mean that it isn't possible. Also there is absolutely no hard evidence that board burnout will be the inevitable result of using anything above an xp 1800+ in a turbo board. I have yet to run across anyone who has actually had this happen. I doubt very much that it is anymore likely to happen with than it would with a 1.33 or 1.4 gig tbird.

 

[Citation7]

You all seem up on MSI BIOS, can you spare a minute to help me Flash mine? See post above.

Thanks in advance