MSI GTX 670 OC Edition or Asus GTX 660 Ti DirectCU II OC

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TO answer your question, the GTX670 is significantly faster. It's also faster than all of the other cards. The fact that it's also the cheapest makes it an easy decision.

The only problem with it is that the cooler is fairly loud (and the same as the 760's).
 
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BallaTheFeared

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670 is the faster card of the bunch, might be louder than the 7950 OC though I have no info on that exact card.
 
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At the prices available to you, out of the box the 670 is probably the best choice. Exception would be if you are going to O/C then there's not really any difference performance wise. The 7950 might end up a little bit faster (nothing noticeable), but it will be a lot quieter. The cooler on the PCS+ is an excellent cooler. The extra gig of ram on the 7950 is also worth considering if you plan on hanging onto the card for a while.
 
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raghu78

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OP here are a couple of better choices . MSI GTX 670 PE( 1079 mhz boost) and MSI HD 7950 TF3 OC BE (960 mhz).

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb-...915mhz-core-boost-980mhz-gddr5-6008mhz-memory

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-190-MS&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1673

both cards are equal in performance and trade blows. the 3GB VRAM on the HD 7950 is an advantage if you intend to keep the card for 2 - 3 years. also the AMD GOLD rewards game list has a very good chance of including BF4 in Oct. something worth considering. :thumbsup:
 
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If you get a decent custom cooler with a 670, Like the DirectCU II then it won't be very loud at all.
 
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Deders said:
If you get a decent custom cooler with a 670, Like the DirectCU II then it won't be very loud at all.
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Yes, I was only going by the two choices presented. The options raghu78 came up with are excellent choices and the 670 he suggested would be quiet too. Not as quiet as the pcs+, but heaps better than a reference design.
 
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BallaTheFeared said:
Really the pcs+ is a better cooler than the old lightning design?
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It's really quiet.
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BallaTheFeared said:
That's at 925, what happens when you need 1200 to match the out of box performance of the 670 PE?
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Jeez, I don't know? How long is a piece of string? If a tree falls in the woods and nobody's there to hear it does it still make a sound? Why did the chicken cross the road? Why are you having such a hard time accepting it's a really quiet cooler?
 
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Well you've been making statements so I thought maybe you knew.

You can't say it's super quite and faster than a 670 while showing results from a 925 card that isn't nearly as fast.

670 PE is around stock 680 performance out of the box, stock 680 is a shade faster than the 7970.

670 PE is going to have 20% on that card out of the box, you're going to need around 1150 on the 7950 just to match the out of box performance of the PE... At which point unless you got an amazing card you're going to be reaching fairly deep into the voltage causing that cooler to heat up.

So I guess my point is unless it's a golden 7950 it's not going to faster than the 670 PE OC vs OC, and unless it's a golden 7950, and even then still unlikely it will be louder than the TF IV 670.

7950 made sense when the 670 was $100 more expensive, but at the same price? 670 PE is a no brainer imo, better card.
 
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BallaTheFeared said:
Well you've been making statements so I thought maybe you knew.

You can't say it's super quite and faster than a 670 while showing results from a 925 card that isn't nearly as fast.

670 PE is around stock 680 performance out of the box, stock 680 is a shade faster than the 7970.

670 PE is going to have 20% on that card out of the box, you're going to need around 1150 on the 7950 just to match the out of box performance of the PE... At which point unless you got an amazing card you're going to be reaching fairly deep into the voltage causing that cooler to heat up.

So I guess my point is unless it's a golden 7950 it's not going to faster than the 670 PE OC vs OC, and unless it's a golden 7950, and even then still unlikely it will be louder than the TF IV 670.

7950 made sense when the 670 was $100 more expensive, but at the same price? 670 PE is a no brainer imo, better card.
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Once both are O/C'd there's not much to choose between the 670 and the 7950, assuming reasonable samples. The 670PE is just a 670. It's not some magical 670 chip. It's faster than reference 670's because it's already O/C'd out of the box. The TF cooler isn't known as the quietest cooler around. This cooler is an exceptionally quiet cooler. Why are you struggling so hard to connect the dots?
 
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My only contention there was you need an avg sample just to hit 670 PE performance in the first place. Whereas with the PE you get it out of box guaranteed.

The 670PE is a 670 with a modified board and a TFIV cooler, it's not a Lightning, but it's not reference with a AM cooler slapped onto it either.

Likewise PCS+ isn't some magic cooler, it's pushing a slower card (I'd say 20% slower out of the box vs the PE) without any real noticeable benefit in either noise or operation temps.

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Nothing magic about that cooler, and I imagine once you pushed it to 1.2v at 1150MHz to match the PE out of the box it wouldn't fair any better in comparison in the least.

Did I connect the dots well enough? 20% slower, similar noise and thermals?
 
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BallaTheFeared said:
My only contention there was you need an avg sample just to hit 670 PE performance in the first place. Whereas with the PE you get it out of box guaranteed.

The 670PE is a 670 with a modified board and a TFIV cooler, it's not a Lightning, but it's not reference with a AM cooler slapped onto it either.

Likewise PCS+ isn't some magic cooler, it's pushing a slower card (I'd say 20% slower out of the box vs the PE) without any real noticeable benefit in either noise or operation temps.

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Nothing magic about that cooler, and I imagine once you pushed it to 1.2v at 1150MHz to match the PE out of the box it wouldn't fair any better in comparison in the least.

Did I connect the dots well enough? 20% slower, similar noise and thermals?
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You go ahead and take those measurements. The ones that make the 580 virtually as quiet. If that sounds about right to you. The OP can take his choice as well.
 
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BallaTheFeared said:
Well you've been making statements so I thought maybe you knew.

You can't say it's super quite and faster than a 670 while showing results from a 925 card that isn't nearly as fast.

670 PE is around stock 680 performance out of the box, stock 680 is a shade faster than the 7970.

670 PE is going to have 20% on that card out of the box, you're going to need around 1150 on the 7950 just to match the out of box performance of the PE... At which point unless you got an amazing card you're going to be reaching fairly deep into the voltage causing that cooler to heat up.

So I guess my point is unless it's a golden 7950 it's not going to faster than the 670 PE OC vs OC, and unless it's a golden 7950, and even then still unlikely it will be louder than the TF IV 670.

7950 made sense when the 670 was $100 more expensive, but at the same price? 670 PE is a no brainer imo, better card.
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why do you constantly crap.

HD 7970 Ghz (1050 mhz) = GTX 770(1150 mhz) = HD 7950(1150 Mhz) = GTX 670(1250 Mhz)

The Tahiti chips keep up with the GK104 even while running at 100 mhz lower clocks. there is enough data on the web to prove that at average OC the HD 7950(1.15 ghz) and GTX 670(1.25 ghz) are on par. once you compare golden tahiti at 1300 mhz its faster than golden GK104. thats a fact. get over it.
 
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raghu78 said:
why do you constantly crap.

HD 7970 Ghz (1050 mhz) = GTX 770(1150 mhz) = HD 7950(1150 Mhz) = GTX 670(1250 Mhz)

The Tahiti chips keep up with the GK104 even while running at 100 mhz lower clocks. there is enough data on the web to prove that at average OC the HD 7950(1.15 ghz) and GTX 670(1.25 ghz) are on par. once you compare golden tahiti at 1300 mhz its faster than golden GK104. thats a fact. get over it.
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Why do you ask a question, then end said question with a period?

What exactly about your post is different than what I said? Maybe a few MHz difference, but who cares why the big hissy fit over it? PE is faster out of the box and it's going to take an avg overclocking 7950 just to match it. PE also overclocks, it has better perf/w, it has better thermals, it won't be as hot or loud as a heat dump 1.3v 7950.

Sure when the 7950 was $280 and the 670 was $370, 7950 all the way, but come on... Same price? 670 is the better card hands down, plus it has the superior driver team and a better supporting cast of features.

7950 isn't worth what a 670 is, that's why it's never price matched the 670 it's entire life since AMD starting cutting prices. It isn't worth what a 670 is, 670 isn't worth a whole lot more, but it's worth more than a 7950. :thumbsup:

I like my 7950s, but given the same price and with mining basically dead there is no way I'd buy a 7950 over a 670 at the same price.
 
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If you're looking for a good cooler, the MSI 760 Gaming is outstanding, but I see that it's OOS on your UK site. The Gigabyte Windforce is also good, available on a 760 for 209.

Unfortunately it looks like all the 670s with good coolers are still priced in the 300 pound range on that site.
 
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