MSI and HIGH QUALITY, READ THIS

filmore crashcart

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oaydin-
Whats with this holy war against MSI all of a sudden?
If you don't like the board then stay away from it. You've stated your opinion about the board already - What do you want me to do, yank my perfectly good MSI out of my case and RMA it because you don't like it?
And, thank you, I managed to get over to that site just fine despite this incredibly slow board - and you know what? I certainly wouldn't base an opinion of a bord's worthiness over that article. I'm sorry that his bald spot got bigger. I lost all my hair last summer trying to get an Abit Ka7 to work like it was suppose to. Fecal stuff happens.
 

oaydin

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I'm so sorry if I upset u filmore and other msi users. I just want to help to new buyers. My result is, if someone wants a less problematic , cheap mobo and won't overclock much, can go with MSI. But if someone wants to overclock and the best performance and stability should go with abit.
In my humble opinion...
 

compuwiz1

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There are plenty of MSI users who are happy with their boards.......far more than are not! Currently, although I do not have the sales data, I'm willing to bet they are the top selling Tbird/ Duron board right now. It is readily aparent that they are doing alot of things right and giving people what they want. Sure, where there is a high volume of production and sales, there is going to be a proportionate number of problems.

I'm ashamed that there are some zealots of other manufacturers, who are so biased, they actually go looking for the bad in things, and if it is good they will find a way to make it bad.
Such congitive dissonance (where the current reality does not match someone's picture), can actually make some people violently ill. :Q

You, oaydin, are nothing but a petty Troll, who has, and will never have any credibility here. :|


I have never put much value in anything on the overclockers site.

 

holdencommodore

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oaydin: Are you saying that the Abit is more stable than the MSI?? Read Anandtech reviews.

You are obviously disgruntled over the fact that you couldn't overclock the MSI more than the Abit.

MSI boards are for stability, and have the best combination of great stability / performance / cost ratio.

How long did you have the MSI board for? What did you tweak in the BIOS??
 

shiner

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You know...all this "my brand is better than your brand" stuff really cracks me up. Why must people post negative reviews about one brand simply because they bought something different. If what you bought works for you and you are happy why come online and post things about a product you have never used? I come on here on occasion and slam Abit but that is because I have used their boards for some time now and have noticed that recently their stuff has been diminishing in quality and has given me problems. I now have an MSI board in my PC and am quite happy with it. Just because I have that brand however you don't see me coming on here and slamming ASUS, DFI, Epox, etc...because I have never used on of thier boards. If I were to use one and it sucked I would be here complaining about it but I would have tried it first

Now..about that link...I find it odd that he had so many problems installing Win2k on the board. When I bought my new equipment I slapped it all in the case, turned it on, and started installing Win2k. Guess what? Never had a problem. Ever cross your mind that perhaps this guy did something wrong repeatedly and is still doing so? Ever think that maybe he's trying some sort of weird configuration? I mean how are we supposed to believe what he is saying is true. Anyone can post anything on the Net and pretty much get away with it. Sorry but it seems strange that he is having so many problems with a board that I have had zero with, and that most posts you see about it from people who have used the board are 99% positive.

So oaydin....have you ever used this board or are you just online spreading disinformation due to some twisted jihad you happen to be on?
 

AMD4ME2

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It all comes down to why the problem exists.. which is ultimately in the hands of MSI. I'm sure its a great board if it works right.. so many people like it and its second in the current anandtech best of 2000 poll so many people must have gotten good boards, or simply aren't overclocking. However im sure when MSI keeps getting RMA'd boards they will track down the problem. So I don't think it's worth Harping on Oaydin. However it is good for users to know the potential problems, but I think its abundantly clear without bringing this to the top constantly.
 

Zuluwarrior

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Oaydin,

There are a helluva lotta folks out there that
are sick of analyzing every stinkin spec and
benchmark on the planet week by week.

Now what people are after is a board that
"MAKES THEM HAPPY"

They've obviously found such a board in the K7t Pro2a

If you wanna be a motherboard reviewer, be my guest but
first you need to learn to compose a coherent sentence.

 

Zeppy

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Well, I'm pretty low on the totem poll myself, but I want to say a couple of things on this...

1st off, I tend to agree with a previous post. I don't think the guy who wrote this article would be a good "baseline" to make any decisions on a mobo. I don't believe he was attempting a standard setup at all.

I'd also like to say that so far the only negativity with the MSI line of boards has come from people that don't provide logical arguments other than "It just sucks!". If you read most any professional review or check out other hardware forums you will find that the MSI is definetly the board of choice.

It all depends on the source and your willingness to trust that source.

Personally, I decided to go with folks that have the experience. Especially when just about every mobo forum on the net is all MSI, MSI, MSI!

Unless you believe it's all a big conspiracy to get people to buy poor motherboards, I'd have to say you'd be pretty safe at this point with an MSI.

(Now if they were doing that with the FIC AZ-11...I might wonder.)
 

wreed

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That link just talked about two defective boards big deal, every company cannot make a product 100% defective, there are bound to have some bad eggs in a dozen.
 

compuwiz1

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<< Unless you believe it's all a big conspiracy to get people to buy poor motherboards, I'd have to say you'd be pretty safe at this point with an MSI. >>




How refreshing to hear some voices of reason. :)
 

Jamey

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wreed, Hopefully there won't be bad eggs (plural) out of a dozen. Thoses percentages would suck. I bought three of the boards, and now it seems I have a problem with one of them. I can't 100% contribute the problem to the board YET, but even if I could, I would still recommend the board. The board is currently the best price/performance/feature/stability board out there. I just hope this issue is resolved in the near future. MSI may have to take a few back, but that should be expected with ANY product. I don't agree with oaydin taking on this type of personal holy war against a manufacturer just because of one experience. Either of your previous posts oaydin would have been a great place to stick that link. I think three different topics on this same issue is a bit much (just my honest opinion).



EDIT---

I do have &quot;the&quot; problem with one of the boards so far. There is a &quot;fix&quot; for it it you follow this procedure.

http://www.overclockers.com/tips272/
 

PCComp

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I'm back!

Friday I received another Abit KT7 RAID motherboard. Thinking to myself &quot;Abit has probably worked out the problems with my video card and scanner&quot;, I decided to install it. Besides, the board was a newer revision. It's slightly smaller, the RAID sockets are orange and the power connector is located differently. I plugged all my components into the board, and it fired up the first time. I went into the BIOS and optimized it for the hardware in my system. Then, I installed Windows 98SE and all the required drivers (VIA, Video, Sound etc...). Everything seemed to work OK. Next, I pressed the button on the scanner and scanned in a small photo. Everything worked fine. Finally, I increased the scanners resolution (600x600) and scanned the photo again. Half way through the process, I receive the following message:

Error: The scanner is not responding or calibration has failed. Please check the connection and try again.

After clicking the OK or Cancel button, I immediately get a BSOD. From there I must restart the computer. This is the exact same &quot;issue&quot; I had with the last KT7. I know of a work around, but it's not a very good solution. If I move my network card to another PCI slot and disable the integrated LPT port, the USB controller will move to IRQ 7 by itself. Then, everything works fine. Unfortunately, like others, I am out of IRQ's. Plus, 2 of the PCI slots will always share an IRQ with the USB controller. Thus, they are useless if I intend to use my scanner.

After some more testing and tinkering, I moved on to my video card problems. I installed 3DMark2000 and Tribes. I launched 3DMark2000 and immediately noticed some texture tearing (flashing triangles etc...). This was replicate in Tribes. It was doing the exact same thing as before. I then went into the BIOS and disables AGP 4X and Fast Writes. I launched 3DMark2000 again and noticed the problem reduce but not vanish. Again, I went into the BIOS and reduced my AGP apeture; no effect. After 3 hours of tinkering with the BIOS (trying new RAM, different drivers, etc...), I finally gave up and removed the Abit KT7 from my system. I replaced it with my MSI K7T Pro2A and everything works fine (luckily I have Ghost, so I can restore the OS in 4 minutes). As I sit here and type this message, my newly purchased KT7 sits in it's box in my closet. If it ever sees power again, it won't be in my system...
 

SuperSix

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Oaydin = troll

Abit DOES suck! MSI *IS* the most stable, highest quality AMD SocketA mainboard period.

DO I base my opinion on building one or two? No. I base my opinion on selling hundreds (yes, hundreds) of both boards. I (we) don't build PC's at all, we just sell the boards. The RMA ratio for Abit is extremely high, higher than amy other PC peripheral I have EVER SOLD. (I sell an average of 3 million in PC hardware per year, for the last 5 years, *I* sell it, that doesn't add in the other 4 salespeople I currently work with, or others have worked with at other jobs)

If you GAVE me an Abit mobo, I would sell it. MSI is the ONLY platform I would look to for an Athlon/Duron solution, as it is nearly the ONLY stable, well-thought out, TESTED board out there.

STFU, fool