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Neowin.net is reporting that it has surfaced on the internet but the site is getting hammered right now.
Anyone hear anything?
Anyone hear anything?
MS Win2000 and WinNT source code leaked???
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If MS is anything like Valve, they could use this as an excuse to delay Longhorn untill about 2012.
Kaervak
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"Neowin has learned of shocking and potentially devastating news. It would appear that two packages are circulating on the internet, one being the source code to Windows 2000, and the other being the source code to Windows NT. At this time, it is hard to establish whether or not full code has leaked, and this will undoubtedly remain the situation until an attempt is made to compile them. Microsoft are currently unavailable for comment surrounding this leak so we have no official response from them at the time of writing.
This leak is a shock not only to Neowin, but to the wider IT industry. The ramifications of this leak are far reaching and devastating. This reporter does not wish to be sensationalist, but the number of industries and critical systems that are based around these technologies that could be damaged by new exploits found in this source code is something that doesn't bare thinking about.
We ask that for the wider benefit of the IT community that members and readers support Microsoft by forwarding anything they know about the leak to the Microsoft's Anti-Piracy department.
Please do not post any links/screenshots/hints or anything to do with the source code outbreak. Discussion is allowed but we will not condone people spreading this source code."
"Neowin has learned of shocking and potentially devastating news. It would appear that two packages are circulating on the internet, one being the source code to Windows 2000, and the other being the source code to Windows NT. At this time, it is hard to establish whether or not full code has leaked, and this will undoubtedly remain the situation until an attempt is made to compile them. Microsoft are currently unavailable for comment surrounding this leak so we have no official response from them at the time of writing.
This leak is a shock not only to Neowin, but to the wider IT industry. The ramifications of this leak are far reaching and devastating. This reporter does not wish to be sensationalist, but the number of industries and critical systems that are based around these technologies that could be damaged by new exploits found in this source code is something that doesn't bare thinking about.
We ask that for the wider benefit of the IT community that members and readers support Microsoft by forwarding anything they know about the leak to the Microsoft's Anti-Piracy department.
Please do not post any links/screenshots/hints or anything to do with the source code outbreak. Discussion is allowed but we will not condone people spreading this source code."
If the source really was leaked, then does he think that the only people looking at it are going to be people trying to make exploits? I guess he's never heard of open source and how thousands of sets of eyes help to find bugs and exploits and get them fixed.
Plus, if the rumors I've heard are true then the source code for windows is so jumbled up it'll be years before people can even understand what's going on, what with all the hacks and workarounds in the code.
EDIT: I also like how it was ONLY the Win2k and WinNT source that was leaked. If someone has that kind of insider information, why didn't they get WinXP also? Watch this turn out to be some big publicity stunt in order to increase sales.
"2k and NT have been stolen! You will be hacked unless you upgrade to XP! Call now and save 10% in our "World's Going to End Because of This" sale!!!"
Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow
If the source really was leaked, then does he think that the only people looking at it are going to be people trying to make exploits? I guess he's never heard of open source and how thousands of sets of eyes help to find bugs and exploits and get them fixed.
Plus, if the rumors I've heard are true then the source code for windows is so jumbled up it'll be years before people can even understand what's going on, what with all the hacks and workarounds in the code.
NTFS will finally work right in linux
Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow
If the source really was leaked, then does he think that the only people looking at it are going to be people trying to make exploits? I guess he's never heard of open source and how thousands of sets of eyes help to find bugs and exploits and get them fixed.
Plus, if the rumors I've heard are true then the source code for windows is so jumbled up it'll be years before people can even understand what's going on, what with all the hacks and workarounds in the code.
EDIT: I also like how it was ONLY the Win2k and WinNT source that was leaked. If someone has that kind of insider information, why didn't they get WinXP also? Watch this turn out to be some big publicity stunt in order to increase sales.
"2k and NT have been stolen! You will be hacked unless you upgrade to XP! Call now and save 10% in our "World's Going to End Because of This" sale!!!"
It must have taken some serious mental gymnastics to actually think of something so insidious.
Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow
If the source really was leaked, then does he think that the only people looking at it are going to be people trying to make exploits? I guess he's never heard of open source and how thousands of sets of eyes help to find bugs and exploits and get them fixed.
Plus, if the rumors I've heard are true then the source code for windows is so jumbled up it'll be years before people can even understand what's going on, what with all the hacks and workarounds in the code.
you really thing MS would take fixes from open source community? not to mention how many people in the open source community help MS.
Originally posted by: fivespeed5
Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow
If the source really was leaked, then does he think that the only people looking at it are going to be people trying to make exploits? I guess he's never heard of open source and how thousands of sets of eyes help to find bugs and exploits and get them fixed.
Plus, if the rumors I've heard are true then the source code for windows is so jumbled up it'll be years before people can even understand what's going on, what with all the hacks and workarounds in the code.
you really thing MS would take fixes from open source community? not to mention how many people in the open source community help MS.
They've been doing it for quite some time with several of their OSS and SSS projects, but you're free to think otherwise.
Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: fivespeed5
Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow
If the source really was leaked, then does he think that the only people looking at it are going to be people trying to make exploits? I guess he's never heard of open source and how thousands of sets of eyes help to find bugs and exploits and get them fixed.
Plus, if the rumors I've heard are true then the source code for windows is so jumbled up it'll be years before people can even understand what's going on, what with all the hacks and workarounds in the code.
you really thing MS would take fixes from open source community? not to mention how many people in the open source community help MS.
They've been doing it for quite some time with several of their OSS and SSS projects, but you're free to think otherwise.
you mean the MS taking code part?
ultimatebob
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Originally posted by: rh71
MS should look into who's been recently fired ...
My guess is that it was a cocky college student or rebelious intern who leaked the code. Microsoft gave out this source code to a LOT of colleges and corporations as part of it's "shared source" program.
Frankly, I'm amazed that this didn't happen sooner.
I've seen a very convincing file list for this theft. It looks VERY complete and spans architectures that were never released. Win2k for Alpha, MIPS, PPC, PPCmac
Either someone has an overactive imagination or this is legit.
Either someone has an overactive imagination or this is legit.
Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Originally posted by: rh71
MS should look into who's been recently fired ...
My guess is that it was a cocky college student or rebelious intern who leaked the code. Microsoft gave out this source code to a LOT of colleges and corporations as part of it's "shared source" program.
Frankly, I'm amazed that this didn't happen sooner.
MS gave the ENTIRE source code, worth BILLIONs, to colleges?
SHENS!
Originally posted by: fivespeed5
Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow
If the source really was leaked, then does he think that the only people looking at it are going to be people trying to make exploits? I guess he's never heard of open source and how thousands of sets of eyes help to find bugs and exploits and get them fixed.
Plus, if the rumors I've heard are true then the source code for windows is so jumbled up it'll be years before people can even understand what's going on, what with all the hacks and workarounds in the code.
you really thing MS would take fixes from open source community? not to mention how many people in the open source community help MS.
There have been many instances of people finding exploits in MS software through just regular poking around without the source. Many times they'll notify MS and get ignored, but once it gets posted to bugtraq MS will release a patch very quickly, especially if it's a major hole.
Originally posted by: fivespeed5
Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: fivespeed5
Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow
If the source really was leaked, then does he think that the only people looking at it are going to be people trying to make exploits? I guess he's never heard of open source and how thousands of sets of eyes help to find bugs and exploits and get them fixed.
Plus, if the rumors I've heard are true then the source code for windows is so jumbled up it'll be years before people can even understand what's going on, what with all the hacks and workarounds in the code.
you really thing MS would take fixes from open source community? not to mention how many people in the open source community help MS.
They've been doing it for quite some time with several of their OSS and SSS projects, but you're free to think otherwise.
you mean the MS taking code part?
Sorry, I guess I misread. Now you REALLY are free to think otherwise since my comment doesn't apply (although I still disagree w/ you
).Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow
Originally posted by: fivespeed5
Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow
If the source really was leaked, then does he think that the only people looking at it are going to be people trying to make exploits? I guess he's never heard of open source and how thousands of sets of eyes help to find bugs and exploits and get them fixed.
Plus, if the rumors I've heard are true then the source code for windows is so jumbled up it'll be years before people can even understand what's going on, what with all the hacks and workarounds in the code.
you really thing MS would take fixes from open source community? not to mention how many people in the open source community help MS.
There have been many instances of people finding exploits in MS software through just regular poking around without the source. Many times they'll notify MS and get ignored, but once it gets posted to bugtraq MS will release a patch very quickly, especially if it's a major hole.
I believe you have a very malformed perception of how MS handles these issues. True, there have been findings left unpatched before someone decided to achieve notoriety by putting the spoit on lists, but MS is not an organization of twenty OSS devs who can go wantonly about applying ad-hoc patches to code. I know of many people who notified MS of an issue that were well taken care of as a result.
ultimatebob
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Originally posted by: beer
Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Originally posted by: rh71
MS should look into who's been recently fired ...
My guess is that it was a cocky college student or rebelious intern who leaked the code. Microsoft gave out this source code to a LOT of colleges and corporations as part of it's "shared source" program.
Frankly, I'm amazed that this didn't happen sooner.
MS gave the ENTIRE source code, worth BILLIONs, to colleges?
SHENS!
Yep! here's a list of the colleges who have a copy of the source code.
Personally, I think that it was those hippies at Stanford who leaked it, but I'm just guessing
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