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MS Networking on LAN Vista <---> Vista

flexy

Diamond Member
Short:

GF got new lappy today, my desktiop has Vista 64 ultimate and she has Vista 32 ultimate. Latest updates.

Spent HOURS and HOURS getting the MS network right, all i managed is that I can connect to her lappy...but i cant connect from her to my desktop!

I did everything humanly and logically possible...PCs are all seen on network, but clicking on my desktop she just cant connect to my desktop.

I need a clear, ste-by-step instruction...not that i am stupid....but i am at wit's end WHY i cant connect, i am used to set up networks once in a while but i neevr needed hours for a frickin MS networking connection and STILL dont know why it doesnt work...

Thanks,

Georg.

btw. we're on a NAT router, software firewalls are off, so i dont think its a FW problem.
 
i thought i went through all this, but i will read this again tomorrow with a clearer head 🙂 thanks!
 
Jack, Everyone:

I will try again later on even if i am positive that i did all this already.

There is ONE difference and i read a post somewhere:

I installed SP1 (RC1) on my PC !!! Interestingly, laptop cant connect to my PC!

I saw a posting somewhere else by someone having installed SP1 and experiencing his machine was not accessible either!

Is there any information on this issue???

G.
 
Check the Firewall and the Sharing settings.

Installing SP1 might set few things back to default.
 
Originally posted by: flexy

I saw a posting somewhere else by someone having installed SP1 and experiencing his machine was not accessible either!

Is there any information on this issue???

G.
SP1 required a particular, appearently troublesome, update to be installed prior to SP1, the update has since been pulled.

if you got SP1 before this update was pulled, this may be your problem
source


 
I am not sure that the prerequisites apply to SP1 RC1 (which is the version installed by flexy).

However any one who is bound to install SP1 read these first.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/937287

http://www.microsoft.com/downl...120A5E9&displaylang=en

I installed the SP1 RTM few days ago not knowing about the prerequisites, at the moment I do not have any Network problems with the SP1 computer.

It is a 939 AMD with onboard giga NIC running Vista Ultimate SP1 in a peer-to-peer topology around Buffalo HP Router.

Both Wire and Wireless working OK. I get Giga Wire tranfer of 49MB/sec. with a $23 TrendNet Giga switch.
 
Originally posted by: xSauronx
Originally posted by: flexy

I saw a posting somewhere else by someone having installed SP1 and experiencing his machine was not accessible either!

Is there any information on this issue???

G.
SP1 required a particular, appearently troublesome, update to be installed prior to SP1, the update has since been pulled.

if you got SP1 before this update was pulled, this may be your problem
source

The problem with the 937287 update is that in some cases it does not completely install, leaving the machine in an inconsistent state. The problem with the update would have no effect on networking. Also if you had the problem with the 937287 pre-req, it would prevent you from installing SP1. So if SP1 is installed, any network issues are not the result of the pre-req.

Make sure file sharing is enabled on both machines in the network and sharing center.
 
i dont think i have any problems w/ SP1, it took a LONG time to install when i did this 2 weeks ago. But system itself runs fine.

regarding the network problem: All OBVIOUS things are of course checked and double-checked already, like file sharing on and i dont know how often i already checked network and sharing center on both machines.

Problem stays: I can see my PC...but constantly get the msg "network path is wrong".

today again i checked and double checked anything. It must be something NOT obvious like a disabled service.

WAIT...i just see i can access my PC from PC #3, so it must be on the CLIENT side on the laptop that i cant login?

I need a plan so i can monitor/debug this so once i try to go on my PC from the laptop why it doesnt work...where could i start looking assuming all the network settings are ok?

G.
 
if i enter \\MYDESKTOPPC in the commandline on the laptop it says "a device connected to the system is not function right"

As said i can connect to "mydesktoppc" from my XP machine...and the only "device" on the LAPTOP which is not "function right" is the bluetooth thing which i disabled respective didnt install drivers yet.


 
I assume you've got WIRED connections into the SWITCH ports on your router to both PCs.

I also assume you have basically a dumb unfilltered SWITCH on the router and not a managed / firewalled one.

Many wireless routers and even some wired ones have some kinds of security options that prohibit clients from talking to each other or which can institute firewall rules even between local clients.

*) make sure both PCs have different MAC addresses, e.g. you're not overriding them to be the same number or whatever.

*) Make sure the "network type" of your network is listed as HOME or BUSINESS network. If it says that you're connected to a PUBLIC network, file sharing and discoverability will be off by default.
...[If you are trying to have them in DOMAIN mode instead then you better make sure you have a functional DOMAIN controller / WINS / DNS server they can both contact etc. etc. if you want networking to work.]

*) Make sure autonegotiation is functional and working for your NICs and the switch, e.g. they're both ending up at 100MB full duplex or whatever makes sense for your hardware. Sometimes there are incompatibilities with autonegotiation and you lose data.

*) Make sure "client for microsoft networks", "file and printer sharing", "IPV6" and the two options for "link layer topology discovery" the responder and the I/O driver are ALL enabled on the adapter properties of each PC's NIC. It uses LLTD to help find other Vista machines on your network.

*) Make sure both machines are in WORKGROUP networking mode, that the WORKGROUP name is identical between them, and that the COMPUTER NAME for each one is set to something unique.

*) Maybe you should try installing a firewall like Comodo if only so you can EXPLICITLY view / enable the sharing rules rather than assume that the firewall is totally "off" and thus permitting any traffic. Specifically:
UDP IN/OUT FROM ANY PORT TO PORTS 137,138
TCP IN/OUT FROM ANY PORT TO PORTS 139,445
are the "allow" rules that you should have set for any IP address in the network subnet that your router / LAN is on.

*) Make sure you're getting unique IP addresses assigned to each PC, e.g. over DHCP from your router or whatever you're doing. Identical IPs = bad. IPs not from the same subnet = bad. Netmasks not allowing the router and both PCs and your gateway and broadcast address to be within the subnet = bad. IP conflict with your gateway = bad. IP conflict with router = bad. IP confict with broadcast address = bad. IP conflict with DNS servers = bad.

*) Enable simple file sharing on each PC and allow the PC to be discoverable to others and everything should work.

*) When in doubt, reboot, sometimes it helps to get networking going when the machines get confused.

*) Try Map Network Drive to \\192.168.1.5\Sharename or whatever even if the network neighborhood discovery doesn't list the other PC. Obviously you have to give it the right IP address, share name, and user credentials when doing this. Dropping to an administrator command prompt and doing this through "NET USE" commands can help too.

*) IPCONFIG /ALL from the admin. command prompt look reasonable on each machine after they both have been booted and networked for a couple of minutes (e.g. DHCP in place etc.)?

 
SOLVED.

I didnt have the providers in the network settings since i had another LAN connection active and disabled those on *this* NIC.
 
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