"MS Java VM" updated to version 3810

[vailr]

Windows Update has an update to Java VM, to version 3810.

 

[Lord Evermore]

Yay.

I hope they always are able to provide at least an option to use their VM. Sun's Java sucks absolute ass, lags my entire system out while it loads.

 

[Nothinman]

I just wish their VM was 100% compatible with Sun's VM, if it was I wouldn't have a complaint.

 

[spyordie007]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
I just wish their VM was 100% compatible with Sun's VM, if it was I wouldn't have a complaint.

And make things easy on us? Why the hell would they want to do that?

I'm out about $3000 for software upgrades for some of our web-based stuff that's not compatable with the Sun JRE, I only wish it got written correctly in the first place :|

-Spy

 

[Nothinman]

I'm out about $3000 for software upgrades for some of our web-based stuff that's not compatable with the Sun JRE, I only wish it got written correctly in the first place

Only $3K? My company bought into an ERP system that requires ActiveX controls and MS' JVM to use the web portion and partnered with the owning company to boot. WTF would you write a web application that requires a single web browser that runs on a single OS? You just took the main benefit of web applications and flushed it down the toilet.

 

[manly]

Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
Yay.

I hope they always are able to provide at least an option to use their VM. Sun's Java sucks absolute ass, lags my entire system out while it loads.

Yes, the Sun Java2 VM load time is a real problem on the client tier (esp. for older PCs), but it doesn't appear you know much else about VMs to make such a blanket statement.

Hint: Almost all Java developers abandoned the MS VM years ago. Unfortunately, because of its ubiquity (aka monopoly distribution channel), the MS VM still considered a target for browser applets, and a few proprietary legacy applets from J# developers keeps it around much longer than its useful lifetime.

FWIW, the Apple Java2 VM is regarded as relatively quick loading (I haven't used a Jaguar box so I wouldn't know exactly). And Sun claims their 1.4.2 VM will be 15 - 30 % faster at load times.

 

[Lord Evermore]

I don't need to know anything about it to know that MS's VM works, Sun's doesn't, and I'd rather not have Sun's but I can't use MS's for Mozilla.

I've never seen any problem with MS having their own version, allowing people to use their proprietary functions if they want to, or use pure Java if they want to. Nobody's forcing people to use the proprietary stuff in their code, they use it because they prefer it.

15 to 30% faster is still ass slow compared to Microsoft's VM loading. Apple's can't even be used as a consideration since it only runs on MacOS of a certain version. I'm talking Windows.

 

[Nothinman]

Nobody's forcing people to use the proprietary stuff in their code, they use it because they prefer it.

Most of the time they use it because they don't know any better.

 

[Saltin]

You folks know the MS VM is a deadhorse anyhow , right?



Personally, I'll be happy to see it go. One Java is fine with me thanks. The headaces of application compatibility are truly large and unnecessary.

Have a look

 

[civad]

Saltin,just an observation:
in the link you posted, M$ hasnt bothered to mention ANYWHERE that Java is a registered Trademark of Sun Microsystems, Ltd.
M$ has, however, made it a point to 'honor' their own trademarks at most places.

 

[Saltin]

I guess they don't feel like being gracious in defeat............

 

[Nothinman]

I guess they don't feel like being gracious in defeat............

They don't feel like being gracious any time...