MS Ebay Cashback Scheme

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masteryoda34

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I just discovered the MS cashback on ebay purchases recently (20%) and I did some thinking about it. I came up with this idea and I wanted to bounce it off some other people, but it seems too good to be true. BTW: Even if it would work I don't think it would be ethical and I don't think I would do it. Anyways here's my idea:

Step 1: Set up two ebay / paypal accounts for yourself (lets call them account A and account B).
Step 2: List some random item under account A for say $500.
Step 3: Buy the item from yourself under account B using MS cashback. Since you get 20% back you would only pay $400 from account B.
Step 4: Account A receives the full $500 payment from account B.
Step 5: You net $100 ?? (minus the ebay fees of course.)

Anyone have any thoughts?

1. Would this actually work?
2. Could there be legal repercussions?

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My thought is that your next post advocating fraud will be your last on our forums. Please do not repeat.

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umbrella39

umbrella39

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How about account B being a good friend instead? Share the love. I don't see how they could ever prove collusion.
 
Bignate603

Bignate603

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Originally posted by: masteryoda34
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: masteryoda34
2. Could there be legal repercussions?
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Yeah it's called fraud.
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Well yes OK true, but could you actually be found guilty in court?
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Yes you could.

They don't have to prove anything, they just need to screw you over with lawyer's fees.
 
MikeyIs4Dcats

MikeyIs4Dcats

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your account would likely be flagged for having common ips and one NARU'd. That's how they bust shillers
 
Epic Fail

Epic Fail

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Originally posted by: Bignate603
Originally posted by: masteryoda34
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: masteryoda34
2. Could there be legal repercussions?
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Yeah it's called fraud.
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Well yes OK true, but could you actually be found guilty in court?
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Yes you could.
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How? I sell a drawing of 7 legged spider to my friend, then he resells it back to me, all willing participants in the sale.
 
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shoRunner

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they wouldn't waste their time with lawsuits, they just ban both accounts and accounts made from those IPs.
 
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axelfox

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"Exhibit A, message board discussions on Defendant's initial attempts to defraud eBay and MSN."

:p
 
Capt Caveman

Capt Caveman

Lifer
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Do it enough times and you'll be flagged then banned. With the 60 day wait, don't expect any cash back either.
 
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masteryoda34

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Originally posted by: Epic Fail
How? I sell a drawing of 7 legged spider to my friend, then he resells it back to me, all willing participants in the sale.
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LOL

Originally posted by: shoRunner
they wouldn't waste their time with lawsuits, they just ban both accounts and accounts made from those IPs.
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I don't see how IP address are much proof of anything. Dynamic IP's change all the time and many users could operate under one IP at say a small business.
 
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Lifer
Jul 21, 2005
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Originally posted by: masteryoda34
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: masteryoda34
2. Could there be legal repercussions?
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Yeah it's called fraud.
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Well yes OK true, but could you actually be found guilty in court?
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Well we now have a thread on it so yes you would.

This has been asked many times in the cashback thread. Answer: it's fraud and if you are willing to risk going to jail for a few hundred bucks then go for it.
 
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JS80

Lifer
Oct 24, 2005
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Originally posted by: masteryoda34
I just discovered the MS cashback on ebay purchases recently (20%) and I did some thinking about it. I came up with this idea and I wanted to bounce it off some other people, but it seems too good to be true. BTW: Even if it would work I don't think it would be ethical and I don't think I would do it. Anyways here's my idea:

Step 1: Set up two ebay / paypal accounts for yourself (lets call them account A and account B).
Step 2: List some random item under account A for say $500.
Step 3: Buy the item from yourself under account B using MS cashback. Since you get 20% back you would only pay $400 from account B.
Step 4: Account A receives the full $500 payment from account B.
Step 5: You net $100 ?? (minus the ebay fees of course.)

Anyone have any thoughts?

1. Would this actually work?
2. Could there be legal repercussions?
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Yes, my friend A and friend B did this a couple times to themselves and pocketed the cash when they had this promo the first time around.
 
venkman

venkman

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It's not considered fraud, it's considered money laundering which could land you FPMITAP
 
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ivan2

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OP: if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

They are currently banning people who's going sham transactions (the official word)

In additional to the circle jerk you mentioned, they are also revoking auctions which they deemed is for resell, if you buying the same item for several times (someone done that with a few ipod touch successfully at the beginning but I read that they're starting to ban it).

It's unlikely that they will sue anyone, just look at all those people selling gift cards, they could all be considered sham. But the chance that they will revoke your multiple purchase from the same seller is quite high.
 
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bctbct

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Dec 22, 2005
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you slow, this has been going on for 6 mths. iirc people were selling cash for above face value on ebay.
 
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Damn Dirty Ape

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Originally posted by: masteryoda34
I just discovered the MS cashback on ebay purchases recently (20%) and I did some thinking about it. I came up with this idea and I wanted to bounce it off some other people, but it seems too good to be true. BTW: Even if it would work I don't think it would be ethical and I don't think I would do it. Anyways here's my idea:

Step 1: Set up two ebay / paypal accounts for yourself (lets call them account A and account B).
Step 2: List some random item under account A for say $500.
Step 3: Buy the item from yourself under account B using MS cashback. Since you get 20% back you would only pay $400 from account B.
Step 4: Account A receives the full $500 payment from account B.
Step 5: You net $100 ?? (minus the ebay fees of course.)

Anyone have any thoughts?

1. Would this actually work?
2. Could there be legal repercussions?
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oh they could find this thread somehow I guess and know it was collusion.
 
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Old Hippie

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Oct 8, 2005
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I don't see how IP address are much proof of anything. Dynamic IP's change all the time and many users could operate under one IP at say a small business.
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It doesn't matter. They'll ban both accounts and lock all money first and then let you prove it wasn't fraud.

I've seen it happen.
 
slayer202

slayer202

Lifer
Nov 27, 2005
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Originally posted by: Old Hippie
I don't see how IP address are much proof of anything. Dynamic IP's change all the time and many users could operate under one IP at say a small business.
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It doesn't matter. They'll ban both accounts and lock all money first and then let you prove it wasn't fraud.

I've seen it happen.
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yeah, ebay and paypal are both fucking terrible.

anyway, seems like they suspect I might have done this. I bought an item from someone in the same town as me, and my ebay account got a restriction. however, over 10 days of emails, and multiple phone calls, they can't even tell me why exactly the account was restricted, so I can't even begin to find out if I will be eligible for the cashback. I bought some NFL tickets, game is this weekend, and I wouldn't have bought them if I wasn't getting the cashback. I really hate ebay...such horrible customer support
 
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