Mrs. Comrade Clinton has spoken.... businesses don't create jobs... must be the govt

[fskimospy]

So, we need to combine both to streamline the process. Communism. Quit working against each other businessman and g-man, let's all work together for the greater good!

Huh? I have no idea how you could have gotten that from what I wrote.

 

[Matt1970]

I already did, several times. What is the confusion?

Didn't even really do it once. Not that roads create wealth, Hoover Damn was created 1936 and the International Highway system was 1956, got anything in the last 60 years?

 

[senseamp]

Eh, people really need to quit blaming the presidents for the economy.

Not when a president pushes through a tax cut package that he sells as economic stimulus. If it not just fails, but leads to a disaster, he should be held responsible.

 

[senseamp]

Didn't even really do it once. Not that roads create wealth, Hoover Damn was created 1936 and the International Highway system was 1956, got anything in the last 60 years?

Internet, dummy.

 

[fskimospy]

Didn't even really do it once. Not that roads create wealth, Hoover Damn was created 1936 and the International Highway system was 1956, got anything in the last 60 years?

Interesting. So your claim is that those things have no value? That if you owned the Hoover dam that you would be no wealthier than you were before? If that's the case we need to talk because I'd like to make an offer on your house.

As for other examples pick one of any number of infrastructure projects, intellectual property the government helped create, etc. I just picked notable ones.

Again, this argument is silly. Government can obviously and unarguably create wealth. The question is whether or not for a given circumstance if there are better ways to do it. There often are.

 

[Fox5]

So looking at small businesses in the country.... about 50% of the population works for a small business. Overall the private sector employees 90% of Americans. Yet comrade Hillary thinks businesses do not create jobs.

I guess this makes sense because entrepreneurs have not built any businesses... so how could these same people employ anyone. We built Apple. We built Boeing. We built Google.

http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2014/10/25/hillary-clinton-its-not-businesses-that-create-jobs/

Please don't let this nonsense anywhere near the White House.

To be fair, Boeing (and the entire defense industry) really only exists because of constant government funding.

And Silicon Valley only exists because of massive government funding, thus giving rise to the culture and expertise that created companies like Google and Apple.

 

[Matt1970]

Internet, dummy.

Riiight. It just so happened that the bubble burst after a Bush decided to stimulate the economy.

This is the response when questioned on your bumbling dumbfuck statement:

And promised to stimulate the economy, which he did, almost into a second Great Depression. :biggrin: I'll take Clinton any day over Bush.

Maybe you ought to just admit that you are out of your league here fool.

 

[senseamp]

This is the response when questioned on your bumbling dumbfuck statement:



Maybe you ought to just admit that you are out of your league here fool.

I was actually talking about housing bubble. I did realize after posting that you were talking about the tech bubble. But I didn't bother correcting since you are an idiot anyways.

 

[waggy]

Interesting. So your claim is that those things have no value? That if you owned the Hoover dam that you would be no wealthier than you were before? If that's the case we need to talk because I'd like to make an offer on your house.

As for other examples pick one of any number of infrastructure projects, intellectual property the government helped create, etc. I just picked notable ones.

Again, this argument is silly. Government can obviously and unarguably create wealth. The question is whether or not for a given circumstance if there are better ways to do it. There often are.

hmm i see those things not as wealth but as something that makes society better on a whole.

 

[fskimospy]

hmm i see those things not as wealth but as something that makes society better on a whole.

What is wealth other than something that makes us better off than we were before?

Broadly, wealth is simply considered anything of value. Health, safety, knowledge, etc, are all forms of wealth.

 

[waggy]

What is wealth other than something that makes us better off than we were before?

Broadly, wealth is simply considered anything of value. Health, safety, knowledge, etc, are all forms of wealth.

yeah. my bad for looking at it narrowly

 

[Orignal Earl]

Didn't even really do it once. Not that roads create wealth, Hoover Damn was created 1936 and the International Highway system was 1956, got anything in the last 60 years?

A lot of Canada's crown corps bring in tons of profits and employ thousands of people
Of course some conservatives get in power and privitize some of the most profitable

 

[Matt1970]

Interesting. So your claim is that those things have no value? That if you owned the Hoover dam that you would be no wealthier than you were before? If that's the case we need to talk because I'd like to make an offer on your house.

As for other examples pick one of any number of infrastructure projects, intellectual property the government helped create, etc. I just picked notable ones.

Again, this argument is silly. Government can obviously and unarguably create wealth. The question is whether or not for a given circumstance if there are better ways to do it. There often are.

If just building stuff created wealth, then why not just build stuff till we ran out of natural resources? Because the government is a good redistributor wealth but no real wealth is created. Example: I am going to take money form Peter in the form of taxes and pay it to Paul in the form of building a damn or road. We now have a basically just taken money from Peter and given it to Paul and unless is sold on the open market for more than what we collected in taxes to build it, there is no added value to the market. China built entire cities with that philosophy in mind and you think it helped them build wealth?

 

[fskimospy]

If just building stuff created wealth, then why not just build stuff till we ran out of natural resources? Because the government is a good redistributor wealth but no real wealth is created. Example: I am going to take money form Peter in the form of taxes and pay it to Paul in the form of building a damn or road. We now have a basically just taken money from Peter and given it to Paul and unless is sold on the open market for more than what we collected in taxes to build it, there is no added value to the market. China built entire cities with that philosophy in mind and you think it helped them build wealth?

I'm not really sure what you're trying to argue anymore. The only requirement for government to create wealth is that in sum total we are better off than we were before the government took action. The only way you can say that government doesn't create wealth is if you think that the government literally never makes things better, it only keeps things the same or makes them worse.

If you believe that, you should want to abolish the government entirely and become an anarchist. If you don't, then you're admitting the government creates wealth. Pretty simple.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Reality check, Bill was in charge when a tech bubble made things good. As soon as the bubble burst we were right back in the shithole we have been in since the 70's.

I don't get the shithole
Don't you run a very success home business repairing computers? It afforded you a couple houses and a cottage?
JediYoda makes a very nice living just singing in choirs.
It sounds to me like its pretty easy in the US to make a decent living

 

[Matt1970]

I don't get the shithole
Don't you run a very success home business repairing computers? It afforded you a couple houses and a cottage?
JediYoda makes a very nice living just singing in choirs.
It sounds to me like its pretty easy in the US to make a decent living

The shithole is the continuing downward spiral our middle class has been in since the 70's. My business has only afforded me one house and lately I have to supplement that income reverting back to the trades I was in during the 90's and running my business at night and on weekends. But ya, if you are willing to work and get your hands dirty, you can make a decent living in the US.

 

[Matt1970]

I was actually talking about housing bubble. I did realize after posting that you were talking about the tech bubble. But I didn't bother correcting since you are an idiot anyways.

Nice try but the housing bubble was nearly a decade later.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Six years of trickle down economics. Result? Middle class screwed again.

 

[Moonbeam]

This is a thread about how people who can think try to demonstrate what thinking looks like to people who rationalize. The thinkers can't believe the non-thinkers can't think and the non-thinkers can't understand what thinking is. This problem can't be solved at the level of reason. Conservative fear of the truth terrifies liberals. Nobody seems to get the fact that the situation is totally hopeless. We are like machines running a program. Only in consciousness is there any personal freedom. Humanity is asleep. Only the individual can awaken.

 

[Zaap]

Those same countries you espouse about have no red tape when it comes to starting and running a business. Where are the "jerbs"!?

EDIT: Income and business tax rates are probably non-existent to boot.

Have you ever been out in the world because this ignorance implies not. Many third world shitholes have red tape up the wazoo when it comes to business. Go try to start a business in India. It's probably the red tape capital of the world. Red tape in most African countries is off the charts.

 

[Vic]

There aren't many examples I can think of where the government creates wealth. Can you enlighten us?

Interstate highway system?

 

[Zaap]

This post makes no sense. I don't care what party does it, there are specific policies that are correlated with improved economic performance. Right now the democrats are pushing those.

Again you demonstrate my point. You really think Democrats are creating jobs. That's laughable!

It's also funny that you made a post calling leftists "idiots" and then tried to say it's not about liberal or conservative stuff. You wrote those posts only a few minutes apart, did you forget what you wrote that quickly?

Most leftists are economic idiots.

Here's a clue (even though it will likely sail over your head): leftists being complete economic nitwits (fact) has absolutely *nothing* to do with who creates jobs.

Your (idiotic) belief in Democrat political hacks creating jobs has *nothing* to do with any actual job creation. Your ecomomic beliefs and those of most leftists are idiotic... a fact which has no bearing what-so-ever on job creation and the fact that virtually no one has a job due to any of your political hack worship because none of it has a thing to do with job creation. As I said before, I realize this point will be far beyond your ability to grasp, but there it is.

 

[ivwshane]

The shithole is the continuing downward spiral our middle class has been in since the 70's. My business has only afforded me one house and lately I have to supplement that income reverting back to the trades I was in during the 90's and running my business at night and on weekends. But ya, if you are willing to work and get your hands dirty, you can make a decent living in the US.

So when will you be creating some jobs? Clearly you believe business create jobs, so why aren't you?

 

[Vic]

Reality check, Bill was in charge when a tech bubble made things good. As soon as the bubble burst we were right back in the shithole we have been in since the 70's.

The shithole of being the wealthiest and most powerful nation in all of history?

 

[Zaap]

all those places that have high demands for a simple crust of bread and halfway clean water have fully functional governments free from graft and corruption. So it must be something else that is causing the problem then.

Plenty of places with functioning governments, sky high demand and no jobs.

Likewise, there are places where the government is corrupt and dysfunctional (I would argue the US is one) where one can find plenty of jobs..