Mrs. Comrade Clinton has spoken.... businesses don't create jobs... must be the govt

[Bird222]

I'm guessing he's another who thinks sheer demand creates jobs.

Which of course explains full employment in places around the world where demand for things like a simple crust of bread or some halfway clean water is off the charts high.

Oh wait, scratch that, jobs are nowhere to be found in those places, despite sky-high demand for literally *everything*. I guess because people don't really want things badly enough- they need spoiled western fat asses to teach them about demand.

Leftists are incredibly stupid when it comes to economics and giving credit to anything but their beloved government; there's just no getting around it.

If demand for goods and services don't create jobs, what does?

 

[fskimospy]

In other words a government gets out of the way enough to let a business do what it does to make money but not so much that it takes advantage of people. That being said it's still the business that creates the jobs and the wealth.

Both governments and businesses can create jobs and wealth. Depending on the situation one can be more efficient than the other, but that's a different thing.

 

[Matt1970]

We wouldn't want Clintons anywhere near the white house, because things were so terrible last time around

Reality check, Bill was in charge when a tech bubble made things good. As soon as the bubble burst we were right back in the shithole we have been in since the 70's.

 

[senseamp]

Reality check, Bill was in charge when a tech bubble made things good. As soon as the bubble burst we were right back in the shithole we have been in since the 70's.

Riiight. It just so happened that the bubble burst after a Bush decided to stimulate the economy.

Looks like Jeb is running so we can again decide if we prefer a Clinton or a Bush running this country.

 

[waggy]

Reality check, Bill was in charge when a tech bubble made things good. As soon as the bubble burst we were right back in the shithole we have been in since the 70's.

Bill had nothing to do with the tech bubble as Bush had nothing to do with it popping.

 

[Matt1970]

Both governments and businesses can create jobs and wealth. Depending on the situation one can be more efficient than the other, but that's a different thing.

There aren't many examples I can think of where the government creates wealth. Can you enlighten us?

 

[senseamp]

Tech bubble was a tiny part of the Clinton era prosperity. Times were good before the tech bubble. Tens of millions of jobs were added outside of tech.

 

[waggy]

Both governments and businesses can create jobs and wealth. Depending on the situation one can be more efficient than the other, but that's a different thing.

shit..

I'm in total agreement with eskimospy for once..

to add. i beleive that business (mainly small business) make more jobs. big business are all about the bottom line at the expense of quality and workers.

When the government creates jobs they should never be long term. BUT they should be more in down times.

 

[waggy]

There aren't many examples I can think of where the government creates wealth. Can you enlighten us?

sure. government backed monopoly's. such as most utilities.

 

[fskimospy]

There aren't many examples I can think of where the government creates wealth. Can you enlighten us?

Wealth is simply a greater sum total of resources or valuable things than existed previously. If you think government cannot create wealth what you are saying is that government cannot increase the amount of resources, etc available. Even a cursory look at our history or other countries' history shows that's an absurdity. Was our country wealthier or less wealthy after the creation of the Hoover dam? After the creation of the national highway system? Etc, etc.

You can argue that government is less efficient at wealth creation or at other times can destroy wealth (although private business can do that too). To say axiomatically that it can't create wealth is obviously false though.

 

[Matt1970]

Riiight. It just so happened that the bubble burst after a Bush decided to stimulate the economy.

Looks like Jeb is running so we can again decide if we prefer a Clinton or a Bush running this country.

Just about as clueless as they come. The dot-com bubble burst, on March 10, 2000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble

George W. Bush took office on January 20, 2001.

 

[Matt1970]

Wealth is simply a greater sum total of resources or valuable things than existed previously. If you think government cannot create wealth what you are saying is that government cannot increase the amount of resources, etc available. Even a cursory look at our history or other countries' history shows that's an absurdity. Was our country wealthier or less wealthy after the creation of the Hoover dam? After the creation of the national highway system? Etc, etc.

You can argue that government is less efficient at wealth creation or at other times can destroy wealth (although private business can do that too). To say axiomatically that it can't create wealth is obviously false though.

I gave you a simple task, show us how government creates wealth.

 

[senseamp]

Just about as clueless as they come. The dot-com bubble burst, on March 10, 2000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble

George W. Bush took office on January 20, 2001.

And promised to stimulate the economy, which he did, almost into a second Great Depression. :biggrin: I'll take Clinton any day over Bush.

 

[Matt1970]

And promised to stimulate the economy, which he did, almost into a second Great Depression. :biggrin: I'll take Clinton any day over Bush.

What a dumbass.

 

[senseamp]

What a dumbass.

Looks like only Clintons know how to run this country and it's economy properly. Although Obama years have been good to me personally, I am making about 40% more than in 2008. You'd have to be a dumbass to vote for a Republican after Bush, especially another Bush.

 

[fskimospy]

I gave you a simple task, show us how government creates wealth.

I already did, several times. What is the confusion?

 

[Atreus21]

Both governments and businesses can create jobs and wealth. Depending on the situation one can be more efficient than the other, but that's a different thing.

Government doesn't produce wealth. Every last cent it spends is taken from taxpayers.

 

[Subyman]

i disagree. even without governments we would have business prosper. The government laid the infrastructure for all it's citizens. Though with the regulations it tries to make business fair for all (lol).

While she is NOT right she is not wrong either. but she was a idiot for phrasing it that way.

It wouldn't really be modern business in the way we are talking about. It would be precarious stalemates between various interests. Likely a makeshift government would rise like a mafia or cartel to get a cut out of every transaction, but it wouldn't be "for the people" like taxes are and would be a monarchy again. Its no wonder monarchies were the first. So really, someone will create a "government" with rules and a taste of the business if everything was reset.

They go hand-in-hand.

Anyhow, she's definitely talking about government's role in stimulating business but she's being very polarizing about it. It is true that business as we know it wouldn't exist without our government, but belittling business owners certainly doesn't help her point.

 

[Atreus21]

I'm going to go tell the lawyer I work for that he didn't really win that case because I configured the computer he used for word processing.

 

[senseamp]

"You didn't build that" didn't work for you Republicans, and this was summer same year. This is two years out, nobody gives a sh!t about it now, and they won't in 2016 for sure.
People associate Clinton with the good times that people really miss. They associate Bush with times they'd rather forget.

 

[fskimospy]

Government doesn't produce wealth. Every last cent it spends is taken from taxpayers.

This is obviously false, or at least in that case neither do businesses.

People create wealth through work. Government and businesses are ways to organize that labor. This is really unarguable.

 

[Matt1970]

Looks like only Clintons know how to run this country and it's economy properly. Although Obama years have been good to me personally, I am making about 40% more than in 2008. You'd have to be a dumbass to vote for a Republican after Bush, especially another Bush.

You already blamed Bush for the dot-com crash, why not just blame him for the great depression, or WWII for that matter.

 

[senseamp]

You already blamed Bush for the dot-com crash, why not just blame him for the great depression, or WWII for that matter.

LOL, he told us his tax cuts would stimulate the economy. Where was economy when he left? In the toilet circling the drain.

 

[Subyman]

This is obviously false, or at least in that case neither do businesses.

People create wealth through work. Government and businesses are ways to organize that labor. This is really unarguable.

So, we need to combine both to streamline the process. Communism. Quit working against each other businessman and g-man, let's all work together for the greater good!

 

[Subyman]

LOL, he told us his tax cuts would stimulate the economy. Where was economy when he left? In the toilet circling the drain.

Eh, people really need to quit blaming the presidents for the economy.