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Mp3s, RIAA, and royalties, would you pay?, POLL

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Winchester

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I have been researching Mp3s and reading up on the recent actions of the RIAA. I have found that the avg royalty that actually goes to the Band itself is about $1. Which is not much at all from a $16-17 CD.? I personally own over a thousand CDs, which is way more than the amount of songs that I have, seeing that the average amount of tracks on a CD is about 15. 1000x15= 15,000. I have quiet a few mp3s, but not near that amount. Needless to say I have supported the industry very much. However, lately I have been pissed off that the bands don?t get crap for all of their hard work; it all goes to corporate schmucks.

As far as music laws go anyway, my sister can not listen to my CDs unless she too has the identical CD, and that goes for anyone else. For instance, if you are driving with a friend, you can not play a CD unless they also have the CD. If you do then you are breaking the law. It is illegal to let friends or family borrow your CDs, once again, unless they too have the CD, which would be pointless. It is pretty much like the FBI warning on movies. You are actually not supposed to allow anyone but the person who purchased or rented the movie to watch it, or you are breaking the law, hence the "audience" in the warning. Yeah, it would be nice if everyone would buy a copy for each member of the family. These laws of kind of like the "it is illegal to go barefoot in Texas" law.

Anyway, I have been thinking about sending money directly to the bands for the Mp3s or sending money to the RIAA for the Mp3s. Bands make most of their money from concerts anyway, I think Dave Matthews Band is about $100,000+ per concert, I can?t remember the actual amount, but it was not a bad paycheck for a few hours.

My question is, would you send be willing to send $0.50 to each band/group for the Mp3s that you have from their CDs. For instance, 3 songs from 1 CD = $0.50, just give them their royalties for the CD or heck, just divide you Mp3 collection by 12 or 15 and send them XX (x) $0.50 amount, just to say "hey, I paid for it".

Also, if you were to send money to the RIAA, lets say $150, do you think they would come and "get you" or accept the money and go on?

Just a thought.

 
Sure, most of the stuff that I've DL'ed is very hard to find here in the US, and it wouldn't be a very large amount. Though I wouldn't be giving it to the RIAA since I'm not sure how many of the bands (mostly game soundtracks) are members of the RIAA.
 
first off, you have a pretty good idea, but i wouldnt do it. they corporate big-wigs are rich, the artists who make good, well-done albums get acclaim and become rich, so, why do they need any more of my money? ill support good bands and groups by buying tickets to their shows. thats me, supporting. also, how would you go about sending money to marvin gaye and frank sinatra? their estates? im just curious, im not mocking your idea.
 
Originally posted by: anxi80
first off, you have a pretty good idea, but i wouldnt do it. they corporate big-wigs are rich, the artists who make good, well-done albums get acclaim and become rich, so, why do they need any more of my money? ill support good bands and groups by buying tickets to their shows. thats me, supporting. also, how would you go about sending money to marvin gaye and frank sinatra? their estates? im just curious, im not mocking your idea.
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Didnt think of that since I have all of those CDs already 😱. Interesting point though. I wonder if the RIAA will ever offer a payment thing, just so people will pay for their Mp3s.


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[smart] I am intrigued, someone joined Anandtech Forums, just to reply to my post. [/ellic]
 
Originally posted by: Winchester
Originally posted by: anxi80
first off, you have a pretty good idea, but i wouldnt do it. they corporate big-wigs are rich, the artists who make good, well-done albums get acclaim and become rich, so, why do they need any more of my money? ill support good bands and groups by buying tickets to their shows. thats me, supporting. also, how would you go about sending money to marvin gaye and frank sinatra? their estates? im just curious, im not mocking your idea.
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Didnt think of that since I have all of those CDs already 😱. Interesting point though. I wonder if the RIAA will ever offer a payment thing, just so people will pay for their Mp3s.


Originally posted by: smokinf4i

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I am intrigued, someone joined Anandtech Forums, just to reply to my post.
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...just another troll...
 
Just to be clear you're not talking about paying for mp3s ripped from cd's we've purchased right? Because thats a huge no. 😀 Would I pay the artist for mp3s? Yes most definatley, but I would expect them to make high quality mp3s available, none of those crappy 128k rips from kazza like mp3s.

Also isn't the movie law just prohibiting commercial audiences (ie: movie theaters showing it for cash)? What is the music law you are describing that disallows others to listen to it?
 
I'd be willing to pay a band a buck for a downloaded album. if that is all that they get when i buy a CD, then that is all it should cost to download. record companies are nothing but loan sharks. they give an artist money to make an album, but then they get it all back, with heaps of interest.
 
Originally posted by: LakAttack
I'd be willing to pay a band a buck for a downloaded album. if that is all that they get when i buy a CD, then that is all it should cost to download. record companies are nothing but loan sharks. they give an artist money to make an album, but then they get it all back, with heaps of interest.
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This is exactly what I am talking about. Download straight from their website or whatever for $1. I wonder if they would do this if you could provide a concert ticket stub or something of the like, just so they know you support them.
 
Originally posted by: LakAttack
I'd be willing to pay a band a buck for a downloaded album. if that is all that they get when i buy a CD, then that is all it should cost to download. record companies are nothing but loan sharks. they give an artist money to make an album, but then they get it all back, with heaps of interest.
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I have been researching Mp3s and reading up on the recent actions of the RIAA. I have found that the avg royalty that actually goes to the Band itself is about $1. Which is not much at all from a $16-17 CD.?
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I would like to see you produce, nationally market, distribute and retail a CD for a retail cost of $16 per.

Do you have any idea how much it costs to market a CD? Distribute a CD? I guarantee a third or more of that cost is marketing alone. Then, the record company must make a profit, the distributer must make a profit, and the retailer must make a profit.

It simply amazes me just how little people understand business and marketing. WTF are they teaching in schools these days?

But then, why let a little knowledge get in the way of selfishness, eh?

You'd think people are entitled to music, or something
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Originally posted by: Winchester
For instance, if you are driving with a friend, you can not play a CD unless they also have the CD. If you do then you are breaking the law. It is illegal to let friends or family borrow your CDs, once again, unless they too have the CD, which would be pointless. It is pretty much like the FBI warning on movies. You are actually not supposed to allow anyone but the person who purchased or rented the movie to watch it, or you are breaking the law, hence the "audience" in the warning.
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Care to show me the legislation that states that?
 
Originally posted by: Tyler
Originally posted by: Winchester
For instance, if you are driving with a friend, you can not play a CD unless they also have the CD. If you do then you are breaking the law. It is illegal to let friends or family borrow your CDs, once again, unless they too have the CD, which would be pointless. It is pretty much like the FBI warning on movies. You are actually not supposed to allow anyone but the person who purchased or rented the movie to watch it, or you are breaking the law, hence the "audience" in the warning.
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Care to show me the legislation that states that?
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I'd like to see that too. I hadn't even got that far in his post before I had to respond.
 
Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Nope. I would happily pay the ARTISTS who made the music, but not those theiving bastards.
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OK, what about the recording studio that has to get paid for their time?

Or the pressing of the CDs?

Or the marketing that is done by a company to get their artists exposure?

Or the distribution power that a major record label has to make the music available just about anywhere?


If major labels were so damned evil, then why do bands continue to sign with them? Because they know it means a lot of expsoure for them.

Bands know full-well going in that their success is based on the sales of their record, but that they will not make much from it. They will make money from merchandising, tours, etc.

 
Originally posted by: Amused
I have been researching Mp3s and reading up on the recent actions of the RIAA. I have found that the avg royalty that actually goes to the Band itself is about $1. Which is not much at all from a $16-17 CD.?
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I would like to see you produce, nationally market, distribute and retail a CD for a retail cost of $16 per.

Do you have any idea how much it costs to market a CD? Distribute a CD? I guarantee a third or more of that cost is marketing alone. Then, the record company must make a profit, the distributer must make a profit, and the retailer must make a profit.

It simply amazes me just how little people understand business and marketing. WTF are they teaching in schools these days?

But then, why let a little knowledge get in the way of selfishness, eh?

You'd think people are entitled to music, or something
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There is still a lot of money which could go to the artist which doesn't, although I am not saying that there is actually all that money from the CD to go anywhere.
Also, the companies like Sony or whoever make lots of money from the CD's yeah? They also pay to sign the artists.
Robbie Williams (dunno if Americans know who he is), may only get, say, $1 per CD he sells, and if he sells 1,000,000 CD's, that's still $1,000,000, plus he also reportedly got paid $80,000,000 to record however many albums, and that money comes from the companies share of the CD profuts. The artists don't only make their money from royalties and shows, the can get a lump sum to record the albums for a particular record label in the first place, and that's where so of the other money from the CD goes, to the artists, just in a roundabout way.
 
Originally posted by: pulse8
I believe the artist actually gets something more along the lines of 5 or 10 cents per CD.
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It depends on the artist and the amount of pull they have.

Regardless, the artists know full well how much they are going to recieve in album sales when they sign a contract. If they don't like it, they don't have to sign it.
 
You got a whole ton of stuff wrong. Listening to a CD with a friend is certaily not illegal if they don't have it.

Also, that FBI warning on movies only prevents you from showing it in public and making charging admission. You can invite whomever you want over to see it.
 
No way. The RIAA shouldn't get the money, the artists should if anyone does. The reasons CDs are so expensive isn't the artist, but the fvcking RIAA.
 
Originally posted by: Winchester
I have been researching Mp3s and reading up on the recent actions of the RIAA. I have found that the avg royalty that actually goes to the Band itself is about $1. Which is not much at all from a $16-17 CD.
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The creative artists (bands, singers, writers) are not the only ones who get paid from record royalties. Successful bands have overhead, including managers, agents, roadies, secretaries, all of whom are necessary to take care of the business of being a successful band.

Then, there are manufacturing, shipping and promotion costs for each record. Record companies also have considerable overhead, including money lost in financing unsuccessful records and artists. If, as you say, a band receives a one dollar royalty for each copy of their record, and they cut a million seller, I would say they had a pretty good year, even before including earnings from performances and airplay.
However, lately I have been pissed off that the bands don?t get crap for all of their hard work; it all goes to corporate schmucks.
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Without the corporate "schmucks," there would be no companies doing the grunt work of manufacturing, distributing and promoting the records. That is real work, just as hard as the actual creative work that produced the records, but well out of the spotlight.

GET A CLUE! The music business requires both the music and the business. It's not always a pretty alliance, and plenty of creative artists have been screwed by unscrupulous business associates, but that is not an excuse to steal even more money from the honest artists and honest business people by pirating their work. Without taking care of the business end, the musicians would continue to flip burgers to finance their ability to jam in their garages all night. Great fun, but not much of a future, let alone an economic support system to allow them to continue being creative.
 
"... unauthorized reproduction, distribution, or exhibition of a copyrighted motion picture..."

Copying, distributing, showing to the public are illegal. You can invite your brother over to watch it at home though.
 
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