Mozzila is a piece of $h!te

[m2kewl]

Originally posted by: Bluga

Originally posted by: Ameesh it doesnt render the forums right, tables get screwed up, mouse wheel doesnt work it takes forever to load css 2.0 doesnt work the default skin is huge and ugly the 10 toolbars take up soo much screen real estate proxyserver information takes ages to load up. etc. etc. im sticking with IE 6.0 (and for those who are wondering yes i did install it, and played with it for a couple of days)

It just means you are a dumbass.

Hehehe...payback's a b!tch.

 

[NFS4]

Why do I use IE 6.0?? B/C it's built into Windows XP, it works just great, and it's fast. Why would I need to install yet ANOTHER application when I have a perfectly good one built-in??

IE for me

 

[FuZoR]

I used it for a few weeks...
thought it was a great browser.
Some of your gripes can be changed in settings

Strug. Missing the wonderful world of tabbing

<-- Using Opera!!!

 

[Random Variable]

the default skin is huge and ugly

Are you sure you're not talking about yourself?

 

[TJN23]

use opera

 

[Priit]

At least Mozilla can be uninstalled when you don't like it, not like IE

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Why do I use IE 6.0?? B/C it's built into Windows XP, it works just great, and it's fast. Why would I need to install yet ANOTHER application when I have a perfectly good one built-in??

IE for me

Ditto. IE 5.5 and 6.0 just work. They load extremely fast and are quite stable. They render pages that Nutscrap can't, even with errors in a lot of cases. Personally i can't talk to Mozilla as i've never installed it, but i used my friends for a few minutes and it was "OK". Nothing great and i don't feel like having to dig into it to change all these settings cause it's ugly and loads slow. Just personal opinion though.

 

[Mrburns2007]

I tried Mozzilla and had the same problem, it just doesn't render pages as well as IE. It really screwed up some very badly.

I've also designed webpages and to get them to work with mozilla and opera you need to do some extra work otherwise they will look bad.

I think opera and mozilla have good ideas and I'm glad they exist but I still can't use either as my main browser.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
it doesnt render the forums right,

Bull! It works fine here.

tables get screwed up,

Not for me...

mouse wheel doesnt work

My mouse wheel works just fine, thank you very much.

it takes forever to load

Try running it on your main rig instead of your 200mhz firewall box with 32mb of ram.

css 2.0 doesnt work

Dunno, haven't specifically tested it.

the default skin is huge and ugly

Ugly? Maybe. Huge? Don't think so.

the 10 toolbars take up soo much screen real estate

10 toolbars?!? I only have 4 (menu, navigation buttons and address box, link bar, tab bar)

proxyserver information takes ages to load up.

I manually configure my proxy, so have no experience with this.
etc. etc.

im sticking with IE 6.0

Fine - stay with the dark side if you wish.

(and for those who are wondering yes i did install it, and played with it for a couple of days)

And never bothered to experiment with the options in Edit > Preferences.

 

[nord1899]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
it doesnt render the forums right,
tables get screwed up,
mouse wheel doesnt work
it takes forever to load
css 2.0 doesnt work
the default skin is huge and ugly
the 10 toolbars take up soo much screen real estate
proxyserver information takes ages to load up.
etc. etc.

im sticking with IE 6.0



(and for those who are wondering yes i did install it, and played with it for a couple of days)

I use Mozilla 1.0 and here are my results.
It does render the forums just like my IE 6.0.
No idea about the tables getting screwed, have yet to see that problem.
Mouse wheel does work. It lets you scroll up/down, zoom in/out, etc... Of course it does not do the Office Auto-Scroll which seems to be an important feature to some, but I never use it so I could care less. You of course could download the source to Mozilla and add the feature in by looking at the source code to IE, oh wait...
No idea about CSS 2.0.
Change the default skin. The default skin to WinXP is god awful, but like Mozilla, I changed it.
You don't have to have all the toolbars open. And its not like IE doesn't have the same thing, search/favorites/history, they just aren't on by default.
Proxyserver is just fine. Well almost. It doesn't do the auto-login for the NT Domain authentication my works proxy/firewall requires like IE does. Thats about my only gripe so far.

I realize you work for MS and are biased as a result of that. And I realize you are just replying to this thread. But sheesh, this is lame.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

it doesnt render the forums right,
it renders them correctly for me, and if you knew what you were talking about, you would use the word "correctly" a little bit more intelligently. who determines what html is correct and what html is not correct? the w3c. i'm willing to bet you ALOT of money that these forums will not validate as valid HTML via the w3c validator. therefore, the forums are incorrect, not mozilla. you also fail to realize that mozilla is the most standards compliant browser out there, and by designing for the w3c, you pretty much guarantee that your page will look correct in mozilla. Keep using frontpage, i'm not stopping you.
mouse wheel doesnt work
works great here, again, showing your incompetence.
it takes forever to load
buy a faster computer, or contribute some code, freeloader. how the hell can you bitch about a FREE browser designed by VOLUNTEERS anyways?
css 2.0 doesnt work
funny you mention that as IE5/win is WIDELY known as the CSS2-raper. mozilla is again the most compliant browser in this area.
the default skin is huge and ugly
i'm sorry you lack the intelligence to change it, being limited by IE has surely dulled your imagination.
the 10 toolbars take up soo much screen real estate
you have to be extremely stupid to not realize that you can turn them off.
im sticking with IE 6.0
are we surprised?

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I tried Mozzilla and had the same problem, it just doesn't render pages as well as IE. It really screwed up some very badly.
see above...
I've also designed webpages and to get them to work with mozilla and opera you need to do some extra work otherwise they will look bad.
also see above. you are obviously not much of a web designer, so dont talk about browser compatability until you know what you're talking about.
I think opera and mozilla have good ideas and I'm glad they exist but I still can't use either as my main browser.
thats a more fair statement.
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also here are some related links for everyone to gander at


browser upgrade campaign
css layout techniques
css box layout techniques, including sample code with IE5/win fixes

also remember that correct html is not just a matter of you and me, there are blind people out there too, who cannot access pages correctly that have bad markup.

i could go on and on about how ignorant you are but my time is up, i'm not even supposed to be in ATOT.

 

[LikeLinus]

OMG, Way to slaughter the English language.

""it renders them correctly for me, and if you knew what you were talking about, you would use the word "correctly" a little bit more intelligently. Who determines what html is correct and what html is not correct?""

Have you ever heard of punctuation and sentence structure?

Why is it always the stupid people who try to tell you how to spell when they can?t even complete a sentence?

Irony at it?s best

 

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by: gopunk
Try the End key

that's too much trouble... would require a hand on the keyboard

Map one of your mouse buttons to the END function.

amish

 

[wolf550e]

Hmm. How weird. It works fine for me!
Anyway, scrolling requires full driver support, M$ mice don't behave well with non-M$ applications, and the DOM2 compliance is much better then IE, though I have seen scripts that were written for IE5+ that don't work in Mozilla, but after checking I found out it's all IE's fault as ithose scripts use non-standards compliant event handling. And of course, it doesn't support proprietary stuff like marquee and document.all, but I don't think it's neccesarily a bad thing.

 

[ggavinmoss]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
[flamewar mode]
Install a real OS, then it might work better.
[/flamewar mode]



P.S. At least use an OS which doesn't half the speed of SCSI on purpose. (And the patch for XP doesn't work all that well yet either.)

That's such a dumb statement. That's like telling someone to go install a MacOS to make Quicktime run decently.

-geoff

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: gopunk
no the mouse wheel simply does not have full functionality. it works as well as a car with a running engine but locked steering wheel.

Ummmm.... I use the mouse-wheel to scroll. It scrolls just fine in Mozilla. I also use it to open links to new tabs in the bacground. Works like a charm. I fail to see the problem here.

the mouse wheel is supposed to have an auto-scroll feature, where you click and move the mouse up or down and the page will start scrolling. didn't work for me, i made a little thread about it and basically everybody said that's the way it is.

Oh that. You are right, it doesn't seem to work. Didn't notice that before since I don't use it. I use the regural scrolling.

yea... i would but i set these forums to display 50 posts per page (because i hate having to get a new page after only 25) but when i just want to get to the bottom to see the new posts, it takes forever to scroll that thing. so i click and drag

try the "end" key. works wonders.

dang! i got beat by a mile!

 

[rahvin]

Someone who works for MS bashing Mozilla? Say it isn't so...

 

[notfred]

I don't know what you people are smoking but the mouse wheel does NOT work correctly in mozilla. Load up an image that's wider than your browser window. Now, how do you see what's off the right side of the window? In IE, you hold down the middle button and drag to the right. In mozilla, you have to go find the scrollbar at the bottom of the page.

Also - click on a link to an AVI file in mozilla - does WMP open up and start loading it? No, it asks you to save it.

The toolbars at the top of mozilla DO take up too much space. Here's a screenshot of my IE toobars. Can you make mozilla take up that little space? I don't know how.

 

[Haircut]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus01
OMG, Way to slaughter the English language.

""it renders them correctly for me, and if you knew what you were talking about, you would use the word "correctly" a little bit more intelligently. Who determines what html is correct and what html is not correct?""

Have you ever heard of punctuation and sentence structure?

Why is it always the stupid people who try to tell you how to spell when they can?t even complete a sentence?

Irony at it?s best

That should be 'Irony at its best'

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Priit
At least Mozilla can be uninstalled when you don't like it, not like IE

Fortunately.

Mozilla never worked right for me either. It destroyed my ability to connect to Netscape mail (Netscape 6.XX is the same "crap".) I am back to good old (reliable) Netscape 4.6X.

I feel somehow Mozilla is now infected with the AOhelL Virus (they own Netscape lock stock and barrel). You Mozilla fanboys can HAVE it (or whatever).

Quote the raven: NEVERMORE!

(I'll just use Opera when I need a small fast browser; until then IE5.5 is sufficient for me.)

EDIT:

Mozilla is Suck

flame on . . .

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Why do I use IE 6.0?? B/C it's built into Windows XP, it works just great, and it's fast. Why would I need to install yet ANOTHER application when I have a perfectly good one built-in??

IE for me

and now you understand why control of the OS gives a large competitive advantage to mircosoft and why tying is illegal. but MS gets away with it anyway.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Priit
At least Mozilla can be uninstalled when you don't like it, not like IE

Fortunately.

Mozilla never worked right for me either. It destroyed my ability to connect to Netscape mail (Netscape 6.XX is the same "crap".) I am back to good old (reliable) Netscape 4.6X.

I feel somehow Mozilla is now infected with the AOhelL Virus (they own Netscape lock stock and barrel). You Mozilla fanboys can HAVE it (or whatever).

Quote the raven: NEVERMORE!

(I'll just use Opera when I need a small fast browser; until then IE5.5 is sufficient for me.)

EDIT:

Mozilla is Suck

flame on . . .

mozilla is open source... i don't think AOL has much control over it. netscape comes with a bunch of AOL stuff but mozilla doesn't seem to.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: NFS4
Why do I use IE 6.0?? B/C it's built into Windows XP, it works just great, and it's fast. Why would I need to install yet ANOTHER application when I have a perfectly good one built-in??

IE for me

and now you understand why control of the OS gives a large competitive advantage to mircosoft and why tying is illegal. but MS gets away with it anyway.

If it works, it works...simple as that. I don't care HOW, all I care about are the results.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: wolf550e
Hmm. How weird. It works fine for me!
Anyway, scrolling requires full driver support, M$ mice don't behave well with non-M$ applications, and the DOM2 compliance is much better then IE, though I have seen scripts that were written for IE5+ that don't work in Mozilla, but after checking I found out it's all IE's fault as ithose scripts use non-standards compliant event handling. And of course, it doesn't support proprietary stuff like marquee and document.all, but I don't think it's neccesarily a bad thing.

Well, I have a MS Wheelmouse Optical, and use it without their Intellimouse crap in Windows XP Pro. Not that the Intellimouse stuff really sucks that much, but it takes up RAM (and I only have 256MB, so that's why I care). Anyhow, the wheel works just fine when you use it normally, but to push it down and drag the mouse to scroll, Mozilla doesn't support that. Oh well, it's benefits far outweigh the little annoyances.

 

[apoppin]

mozilla is open source... i don't think AOL has much control over it. netscape comes with a bunch of AOL stuff but mozilla doesn't seem to.

I said, AOL owns Netscape and it SEEMS Mozilla is also infected by the "AOhelL Virus" (nothing works right anymore).

You "don't think" AOL has anything to do with Mozilla just like I "think" AOL does.