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Mozilla users: SeaMonkey 1.0 Alpha is out

Originally posted by: CTho9305
Originally posted by: StevenYoo
haha i like the name

what's next? WindOstrich?

SeaMonkey has actually been the Mozilla suite's codename for years.

haha cool.

i like the way they name stuff.

i'm looking forward to the other cool names they come up with.
 
Hopefully I don't have the same issues with seamonkey as I have with Firefox. Firefox is essentially unusable on Mac OS X. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: CTho9305
The delete key on My powerbook still doesn't make the browser go back a page.
about:config, look for browser.backspace_action (or create it, an integer), set it to 0.

If I fire seamonkey back up I'll try it. Is this something they changed because of whiners, or is this an oops?
 
Will this be with the same version of gecko that's going into firefox 1.5? Will all the svg stuff be there when 1.0 goes final?

n0c, I don't mean to put you off your preferred shortcuts, but do you know that apple-left and apple-right also control forwards and backwards? I find those extremely handy.
 
Originally posted by: kamper
Will this be with the same version of gecko that's going into firefox 1.5? Will all the svg stuff be there when 1.0 goes final?

n0c, I don't mean to put you off your preferred shortcuts, but do you know that apple-left and apple-right also control forwards and backwards? I find those extremely handy.

I didn't know that. Unfortunately, it doesn't work on non-Apple stuff. The backspace is pretty much a standard. 😉
 
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: kamper
Will this be with the same version of gecko that's going into firefox 1.5? Will all the svg stuff be there when 1.0 goes final?

n0c, I don't mean to put you off your preferred shortcuts, but do you know that apple-left and apple-right also control forwards and backwards? I find those extremely handy.

I didn't know that. Unfortunately, it doesn't work on non-Apple stuff. The backspace is pretty much a standard. 😉

In Windows, you can use ALT + left arrow and ALT + right arrow for forward and backwards.
 
Originally posted by: igowerf
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: kamper
Will this be with the same version of gecko that's going into firefox 1.5? Will all the svg stuff be there when 1.0 goes final?

n0c, I don't mean to put you off your preferred shortcuts, but do you know that apple-left and apple-right also control forwards and backwards? I find those extremely handy.

I didn't know that. Unfortunately, it doesn't work on non-Apple stuff. The backspace is pretty much a standard. 😉

In Windows, you can use ALT + left arrow and ALT + right arrow for forward and backwards.

Unfortunately, that probably doesn't work on Mac OS X. 😛

Does that work with konqueror? Old versions of konqueror embedded? Camino?

It does work with IE too, so that's kind of cool. I'd just rather have my backspace key work how it should.

EDIT: It works in an old konq-e on OpenBSD/Zaurus. Maybe I'll have to relearn this...
 
If I fire seamonkey back up I'll try it. Is this something they changed because of whiners, or is this an oops?
I left the default behavior the way it was on all the platforms. Unix geeks were whining when backspace went back because they'd accidentally hit it outside of a textbox and lose form data, and that wasn't a fight I could win. It's a power-user feature, so it didn't get any UI (sometimes it's hard to find the options you want as it is... we're working on improving the situation). You can read a little bit of the discussion here.

Will this be with the same version of gecko that's going into firefox 1.5? Will all the svg stuff be there when 1.0 goes final?
Gecko 1.8 will go into Firefox 1.5 and SeaMonkey 1.0. Right now, SM1.0a and FF1.5b1 both use Gecko 1.8b4 (though SeaMonkey includes an extra security patch). The "SVG stuff" is here now (except in the GTK1 build, but if you really use GTK1 you're probably not the kind of person who uses up-to-date software in general 😉). You can view SVG images directly in SeaMonkey 1.0 Alpha without any Adobe plugins required 🙂.
 
Originally posted by: CTho9305
If I fire seamonkey back up I'll try it. Is this something they changed because of whiners, or is this an oops?
I left the default behavior the way it was on all the platforms. Unix geeks were whining when backspace went back because they'd accidentally hit it outside of a textbox and lose form data, and that wasn't a fight I could win. It's a power-user feature, so it didn't get any UI (sometimes it's hard to find the options you want as it is... we're working on improving the situation). You can read a little bit of the discussion https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=219203">here</a>.

Camino works the way I expect, and it's faster on Mac OS X. I'll learn one of the other ways to do this I guess. It just seems ridiculous to remove something that works fine because of some whiners. Especially when the alternative is harder. 😕
 
Camino works the way I expect, and it's faster on Mac OS X. I'll learn one of the other ways to do this I guess. It just seems ridiculous to remove something that works fine because of some whiners. Especially when the alternative is harder.
Camino would be faster - it's got a native UI. But if you're using a browser on many platforms, it's nice to have the same browser everywhere. Plus, most of the platform differences can be configured with (sometimes hidden) preferences, so you can make it basically identical.
 
im hoping i understand this right, but seamonkey is essentially browser/mail/chat client all in one?
how comparable is it to firefox, as my tabbed browsing (specifically switching between tabs is slow and starting to irritate me)
i love my firefox tho'...
 
im hoping i understand this right, but seamonkey is essentially browser/mail/chat client all in one?
Pretty much. You can install just the browser though - the rest of the components are optional. The browser alone isn't much bigger than Firefox (if it is at all - I'm not sure)... the Firefox installer uses 7zip compression instead of just zip, which makes the download smaller and hepls people "believe" Firefox is "smaller" and "faster".

how comparable is it to firefox, as my tabbed browsing (specifically switching between tabs is slow and starting to irritate me)
i love my firefox tho'...
It looks kinda different-looking, but it's also tabbed - if you type something in the URL bar, ctrl+enter opens it in a new tab instead of alt+enter but otherwise it's basically the same. The prefs might be off by default, and if they are, edit->preferences, navigator->tabbed browsing. I suggest, from top to bottom: on, off, add, on, on.

It doesn't currently have autoscroll (middle click in an empty area, move the mouse up/down) but there's an extension to do it, and an implementation of it should be built-in for SeaMonkey 1.0 Beta. Tab drag&drop is also something we're hoping to do for the beta (I have patches for both features, but they're waiting for someone to review them and make sure they're OK).
 
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Unfortunately, that probably doesn't work on Mac OS X. 😛

ALT + left/right isn't THAT different from Apple + left/right. The buttons are in the same general area. 😛
 
CTho9305 is a seamonkey developer? I still use Mozilla 1.7 regularly. 🙂

Btw, the keyboard combo for back/forward under Safari 2.0 sucks!
 
Originally posted by: manly
CTho9305 is a seamonkey developer? I still use Mozilla 1.7 regularly. 🙂

Btw, the keyboard combo for back/forward under Safari 2.0 sucks!
You can do apple-left/right for back/forward on Safari. I don't mind the apple-[/] too much but the left/right keys are a little handier.
 
Originally posted by: kamper
Originally posted by: manly
CTho9305 is a seamonkey developer? I still use Mozilla 1.7 regularly. 🙂

Btw, the keyboard combo for back/forward under Safari 2.0 sucks!
You can do apple-left/right for back/forward on Safari. I don't mind the apple-[/] too much but the left/right keys are a little handier.
Ooops, I was thinking of the 3-finger salute for next/previous tab.
 
Ah, I agree with you there. That's a pain. I imagine there's gotta be some way to remap that stuff, if you're mac-leet enough...
 
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