Moved From OT: Political threads on these forums

[mikeymikec]

Would it be too much to ask for people to have a political discussion on these forums without bringing the usual partisan bullshit into it?

It seems to me that every political thread here reaches its conclusion with multiple posts including things like "that's just what I'd expect from you liberals / conservatives to say" in a derisive tone, which reminds me of the sort of person who says "I vote xyz because that's whom I've voted for for 30 years!" (or because that's who their dad and granddad voted for). I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't look for even a vaguely interesting or informed opinion from that sort of person because they've made it their business not to listen to others or keep up with current affairs with a vaguely open mind.

IT'S NOT A CONTEST OR SPORT. In the history of politics no political party has ever been absolutely right in everything it says and does. If anything, politics is looking more like "whatever political party we vote for, we get mostly the same policies anyway", so treating a political party or a political philosophy as if it holds absolute truth or 'the correct way' is pure idiocy.

Democracy is not about being seen to support the winning side. It is meant to be about the elected representatives supporting the will of the majority of the people. The idea of democracy is based on the assumption that the people aren't a bunch of mindless drones who swallow everything that their preferred political party / politically-aligned news source shovels into them.

 

[nageov3t]

Would it be too much to ask for people to have a political discussion on these forums without bringing the usual partisan bullshit into it?

that's just what I'd expect from a whig.

 

[johnjohn320]

Wrong forum.

 

[Jodell88]

Wrong forum.

This.

Discussion Club is that way --->

 

[Mixolydian]

Would it be too much to ask that people keep the political threads in P&N/DC, and not in ATOT?

 

[Engineer]

Political threads on this forum.....

should have the OP banned for placing on the wrong forum.

<---- P&N (aka WWE) that way.
<---- Discussion Club (more civil) that way.

 

[Craig234]

Your point is a pretty good one, but you're running into the problem that so many people ARE that bad about these things and ARE 'team players' and selfish.

A leader's challenge if he's a good one is to get more people to support policies good for more people even at their expense, and it's a lot easier to pander, so most do.

You'll usually find that even the best leaders often sell their policies with selfish pitches.

A rare exception was the great Robert Kennedy. He was telling an audience of medical students passionately about the need to help the poor.

One of the students - kids from well off families - asked, 'who's going to pay for all this?'

Kennedy answered, "you are".

 

[BUTCH1]

Would it be too much to ask that people keep the political threads in P&N/DC, and not in ATOT?

Thanks, that was going to be almost my exact post....

 

[Angry Irishman]

There is a certain click of folks who roam the P&N forum and don't care about or ever intend to hold a discussion. In fact, their only interest or motivation is to throw shit in the fan and troll...much self righteousness in play within that forum. Honestly, it makes me worry about the United States even more when I read the partisan BS in there and the blind allegiance to party lines.

 

[shortylickens]

Supposedly thats what the Discussion Forum was created for.

I dont know how successful it was.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

iz some1 mad?

 

[Dirigible]

There is a certain click of folks who roam the P&N forum and don't care about or ever intend to hold a discussion. In fact, their only interest or motivation is to throw shit in the fan and troll...much self righteousness in play within that forum. Honestly, it makes me worry about the United States even more when I read the partisan BS in there and the blind allegiance to party lines.

Clique.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Political discussion on this forum is still superior to that of most other forums I inhabit tbh.

 

[Craig234]

Supposedly thats what the Discussion Forum was created for.

I dont know how successful it was.

It's improving. Plenty of good posts, some not so much.

 

[Craig234]

Political discussion on this forum is still superior to that of most other forums I inhabit tbh.

You really can't expect much good political chat on hotgirlchat.com.

Good chat, yes. Not good political chat.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Yes, it is too much to ask in my experience. Partisan hacks on both sides, and asking for any real debate or even for people to stop and think outside their political party's approved box for a moment is typically asking too much.

So-called "discussion club" isn't much better. The one guy (who has posted in this thread BTW) wished my death over my view on food stamps and limiting stuff like alcohol, desserts, etc.

I still look back in there and P&N on occasion for some stupid reason, but not much. P&N is a cesspool and Discussion Club isn't a whole lot better.

 

[nehalem256]

Your point is a pretty good one, but you're running into the problem that so many people ARE that bad about these things and ARE 'team players' and selfish.

A leader's challenge if he's a good one is to get more people to support policies good for more people even at their expense, and it's a lot easier to pander, so most do.

You'll usually find that even the best leaders often sell their policies with selfish pitches.

A rare exception was the great Robert Kennedy. He was telling an audience of medical students passionately about the need to help the poor.

One of the students - kids from well off families - asked, 'who's going to pay for all this?'

Kennedy answered, "you are".

So Robert Kennedy was honestly saying he intended to take money from people who spent 8+ years training for their profession and give it to people(animals?) who pop out bastard kids with 3 baby daddies....

No wonder he was shot.


Take a week off for the multiple wrongs in your post. We'll call it "wrong forum," but YOU are emblematic of the P&N problem, a real poster child of a political troll, and this is mostly for your entire career here of taking advantage of our willingness to allow a lot there under the rubric of free speech.

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[JulesMaximus]

Would it be too much to ask for people to have a political discussion on these forums without bringing the usual partisan bullshit into it?

It seems to me that every political thread here reaches its conclusion with multiple posts including things like "that's just what I'd expect from you liberals / conservatives to say" in a derisive tone, which reminds me of the sort of person who says "I vote xyz because that's whom I've voted for for 30 years!" (or because that's who their dad and granddad voted for). I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't look for even a vaguely interesting or informed opinion from that sort of person because they've made it their business not to listen to others or keep up with current affairs with a vaguely open mind.

IT'S NOT A CONTEST OR SPORT. In the history of politics no political party has ever been absolutely right in everything it says and does. If anything, politics is looking more like "whatever political party we vote for, we get mostly the same policies anyway", so treating a political party or a political philosophy as if it holds absolute truth or 'the correct way' is pure idiocy.

Democracy is not about being seen to support the winning side. It is meant to be about the elected representatives supporting the will of the majority of the people. The idea of democracy is based on the assumption that the people aren't a bunch of mindless drones who swallow everything that their preferred political party / politically-aligned news source shovels into them.

:thumbsup: I couldn't agree more. Which is why I don't vote along party lines. I'm registered as republican but I voted for Obama twice. I also voted to get rid of governor Joe Davis and I voted for the Governator.

Only a moron votes along party lines.

 

[Scotteq]

Would it be too much to ask for people to have a political discussion on these forums without bringing the usual partisan bullshit into it?

Yes. Clearly, Yes.

 

[Slew Foot]

So Robert Kennedy was honestly saying he intended to take money from people who spent 8+ years training for their profession and give it to people(animals?) who pop out bastard kids with 3 baby daddies....

No wonder he was shot.

with politicians, it always youre going to pay, never, im going to pay.

 

[shortylickens]

I really dont think that was Robert Kennedy's plan.

 

[Scotteq]

Oh - Pretty sure Bob Kennedy's plan was to help enough that people can stand on their own feet...


...it is a topic subject to much argument whether the majority might actually do so.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Clique.

Good catch....

 

[Perknose]

Supposedly thats what the Discussion Forum was created for.

I dont know how successful it was.

^^^ This.

Political discussion on this forum is still superior to that of most other forums I inhabit tbh.

^^^ And this.

Despite the bleats of bias from angry trolls from both sides of the political fence, P&N is one of the very few political forums on the web that is not an echo chamber of just one side's POV.

The Discussion Club is an attempt to elevate the political and philosophical discourse here beyond the usual abysmally low OT and P&N standards. It can only be as good as the participants help make it.

 

[mistercrabby]

Would it be too much to ask for people to have a political discussion on these forums without bringing the usual partisan bullshit into it?

Yes, it would be.