I'm in the market for a new brain bucket. I'd like to go with a full face. I'd prefer a flip up but not really sure how these compare safety wise.
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Motorcycle helmet recommendation needed
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Originally posted by: andylawcc
how about that BMW Carbon Fiber/Kevler one? it cost like 1400 EUROS!
no thanks Europeans still havent figured out how to make a top of the line helmet thats is comfortable.. breathes and can take a 150mph hit...
Shoei and Arai = the best there are period...
ill pay the 800 bucks for a top of the line Race helmet from either company.
They're only the best if they fit... A good fitting £35 helmet will give you more protection than a £4-500 bad fitting helmet.
Have to say though obviously they are reputed to be the best and they look awesome, to the OP you really have to go and try them on you can't just go by the brand name.
being that the top of the line Shoei and Arai's can mix and match individual peices of thier liners to make the perfect fit this is not a valid argument..
Does anyone know how motorcycle helmet technology has improved over time? Any studies done on this topic?
The Stigenator
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motorcycle helmets have changed a lot since they first had them. Mostly due to teh Snell Foundation requirements. I only buy helmets with Snell rating apart from teh DOT rating.
I have a HJC (CS-12) and KBC (TK-7) helmet. I use the HJC all the time, the KBC is a spare. They are both full face helmets. I have one HJC open face (CL-5) spare helmet too. THey are all SNELL certified.
IMHO any helmet is better than none. You can buy a 400 dollar Arai or Shoei, but in the end your head will be well protected like one from HJC or KBC which might be 1/2 the price of an Arai. The difference for Arai and Shoei is that they use nice materials and your head feels really comfy. I know when i went to my HJC from the previous Vega model I was basked in luxury. I have tried the Shoei and Arai helmets and as per weight and luxury, but there are comparable to each other. Other manufacturers dont compare in comfort and venting but then i dont have 400 bucks to spend on a helmet like that.
When you buy a helmet, run a tape measure around your fore head, above your ears. That size is your HAT size. Buy it in that size. Check against the size rating for the helmet so you fit in that size. If its tight going in on the head at the store, its okay. Make sure there arent any unusual pressure points on your head (like pressure only on the front). The pressure should be equal. The snug fit, or really tight fit will losen up as you wear it. Also a snug helmet will not flap around in the wind. Between manufacturers there is a shape difference. Arai seems to fit oval heads, shoei the round head. I for some reason cant fit comfy in either.
Hope this helps;
I have a HJC (CS-12) and KBC (TK-7) helmet. I use the HJC all the time, the KBC is a spare. They are both full face helmets. I have one HJC open face (CL-5) spare helmet too. THey are all SNELL certified.
IMHO any helmet is better than none. You can buy a 400 dollar Arai or Shoei, but in the end your head will be well protected like one from HJC or KBC which might be 1/2 the price of an Arai. The difference for Arai and Shoei is that they use nice materials and your head feels really comfy. I know when i went to my HJC from the previous Vega model I was basked in luxury. I have tried the Shoei and Arai helmets and as per weight and luxury, but there are comparable to each other. Other manufacturers dont compare in comfort and venting but then i dont have 400 bucks to spend on a helmet like that.
When you buy a helmet, run a tape measure around your fore head, above your ears. That size is your HAT size. Buy it in that size. Check against the size rating for the helmet so you fit in that size. If its tight going in on the head at the store, its okay. Make sure there arent any unusual pressure points on your head (like pressure only on the front). The pressure should be equal. The snug fit, or really tight fit will losen up as you wear it. Also a snug helmet will not flap around in the wind. Between manufacturers there is a shape difference. Arai seems to fit oval heads, shoei the round head. I for some reason cant fit comfy in either.
Hope this helps;
Dont go solely by the tape measure... go to a shop that carries ALOT of different helmets and try alot on.. make sure the one you get carries the snell 2003 at minimum...
but for the most part I agree with Goodguy... while I will only put my head in the best (many years of racing and crashing =P) other peeps can and do get away with cheaper helmets..
and 400 bucks wont even get an Unpainted top of the line helmet not even used most of the time.. they start at 600 and go up...
but then again my head worth way more than 1000 bucks to me...
but for the most part I agree with Goodguy... while I will only put my head in the best (many years of racing and crashing =P) other peeps can and do get away with cheaper helmets..
and 400 bucks wont even get an Unpainted top of the line helmet not even used most of the time.. they start at 600 and go up...
but then again my head worth way more than 1000 bucks to me...
hey, CVSiN and TGG, is there any different between race helmets (the one used in race cars) and bike helmets? I remember reading some So Cal racing club specifically prohibit the use of bike helmets.
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: andylawcc
how about that BMW Carbon Fiber/Kevler one? it cost like 1400 EUROS!
no thanks Europeans still havent figured out how to make a top of the line helmet thats is comfortable.. breathes and can take a 150mph hit...
Shoei and Arai = the best there are period...
ill pay the 800 bucks for a top of the line Race helmet from either company.
800 bucks for a helmet?!?! Holayshiat it better be good
Ausm
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Until there is some unbiased testing between helmet manufacturers that rates helmet safety on a scale other than "Passes SNELL/Fails SNELL", I will agree with everything the_good_guy says. Comfort and features are all you're paying for with the higher end models, which may or may not be high on your priority list, depending how much you ride.
A full face is the only option if you're doing any riding outside of an urban setting, however, I can't imagine a flip up holding up over several tumbles and summersaults and bounces.
A full face is the only option if you're doing any riding outside of an urban setting, however, I can't imagine a flip up holding up over several tumbles and summersaults and bounces.
yes there are.. bike helmets and car helmets are designed differently..
dont ask me how i guess different Impact zones.. the Shells are visibly different as well..
aslo Simpson and Bell seem to be the big boys when it comes to Car based helmets.
dont ask me how i guess different Impact zones.. the Shells are visibly different as well..
aslo Simpson and Bell seem to be the big boys when it comes to Car based helmets.
red there are numerous reports on safety gear tests in the motorcycle community... just search a little bit...
the KBC and the HJCs and the others cannot stack up the saftey or the features of the big guys...
even when you see an HJC or KBC or other helmet on a famous rider.. most of those helmets are not even close to what the bargain companies sell on the streets.. Having worked for a motorcycle shop for over 3 years and seeing the broken parts coming back day after day on the other helmets from just day to day use not to mention seeing guys get off at 140 mph bash their head really hard and them get up with roadrash and impact on that helmet and not have a scratch on thier head or face... enough to sell me... but when a rider goes down in a cheaper helmet and the shell either splits or the visor fails before it should and casues the rider additional injuries they wouldnt have had with a better helmet well no thanks...
plastic surgery and skingrafts are alot more expensive than 600 bucks on the charge card..not to mention the 500 dollar protective jacket with body armour.. the 100+ dragging jeans or leather pants to go with jacket then the 140 bucks for a good set of gloves... then another 200 bucks for boots...
gear can be replaced... body parts cant at any price... skimp on gear you will regret it one day... maybe not this year maybe not next.. but it will catch up with you....
btw you spend extra cash in a car for ABS and Antislip and Airbags... well same difference.. your paying for saftey...
when it comes to helmets there really cant be a second best... your shell splits or doesnt do what its designed to do youre dead....
BTW helmets are not a 1 time purchase.. they have a shelf life.... you are supposed to replace your helmet every 4 years and immediatly if its even dropped from waist level....
or xrayed to make sure the crush shell is not damaged...
the KBC and the HJCs and the others cannot stack up the saftey or the features of the big guys...
even when you see an HJC or KBC or other helmet on a famous rider.. most of those helmets are not even close to what the bargain companies sell on the streets.. Having worked for a motorcycle shop for over 3 years and seeing the broken parts coming back day after day on the other helmets from just day to day use not to mention seeing guys get off at 140 mph bash their head really hard and them get up with roadrash and impact on that helmet and not have a scratch on thier head or face... enough to sell me... but when a rider goes down in a cheaper helmet and the shell either splits or the visor fails before it should and casues the rider additional injuries they wouldnt have had with a better helmet well no thanks...
plastic surgery and skingrafts are alot more expensive than 600 bucks on the charge card..not to mention the 500 dollar protective jacket with body armour.. the 100+ dragging jeans or leather pants to go with jacket then the 140 bucks for a good set of gloves... then another 200 bucks for boots...
gear can be replaced... body parts cant at any price... skimp on gear you will regret it one day... maybe not this year maybe not next.. but it will catch up with you....
btw you spend extra cash in a car for ABS and Antislip and Airbags... well same difference.. your paying for saftey...
when it comes to helmets there really cant be a second best... your shell splits or doesnt do what its designed to do youre dead....
BTW helmets are not a 1 time purchase.. they have a shelf life.... you are supposed to replace your helmet every 4 years and immediatly if its even dropped from waist level....
or xrayed to make sure the crush shell is not damaged...
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i dont like bieffie very much. At one time they were good helmets these days i am not a big fan of them.
RedRooster
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I understand what you're saying completely. However, I've heard arguments from both sides for and against the higher priced helmets, and have seen countless threads on the many bike forums I go to. No one has ever actually done a test where they rate the safety level of the helmets though, I've been looking for years. I would've thought some big magazine or website would've done it, but no one has ever stepped up and done real world testing. Although I guess it's difficult to with something such as a helmet, and that's why I suppose manufacturers can get away with "claims" rather than hard evidence.
I've had a friend go down with an HJC just this spring and everything came out fine. Of course, crashes are the types of things that can't be tested or re-produced accurately in any sense, and on any given day in any given crash an Arai could fail just as easily as a Nolan.
In the scope of this thread though, disregarding your dead-on correct statements about full gear, I couldn't whole heartedly recommend an $800 helmet to this fellow who most probably doesn't race every weekend or possibly even sport ride on weekends, which is where the highest percentage of any sort of high speed crash are going to occur which MAY cause a lesser helmet to fail sooner.
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