Mothers day and abortion

[Blackjack200]

You're looking at it from the current political environment.

Back 40 years ago, saying that gay marriage should be allowed definitely would NOT be helping your cause of getting it decriminalized.

And being politician's they're not going going to give you a straight answer.

Because right now they need the support of those who must have the exemption, so it wouldn't be politic to say, 'Yeah, I'm going to campaign to get rid of the exemption as soon as possible."

Also if they don't support the exemption, it makes them too easy of a target for emotional attacks about furthering trauma for rape victims or whatnot. So by cutting out a small exemption they dramatically resist opposition. Smart politics.

I don't understand how "but it's the politically expedient thing" is an argument.

If a person is trying to decide if they abortion should be generally permitted or banned, cases of rape resulting in pregnancy should be part of their consideration unless it can't or won't happen.

What is your position on the issue?

I personally believe all women should be allowed to terminate their pregnancy at any time, for any reason or no reason, and at no time should she be asked for any reason or justification. I believe the cost of the abortion should be covered no differently from any other necessary medical procedure.

You'll probably never hear a Democrat say that, but to the extent that their position differs from mine, I believe they are wrong, and will happily highlight where I disagree.

 

[Vic]

http://chicksontheright.com/blog/it...owerful-message-for-his-mom-this-mother-s-day

To me abortion should be manslaughter. It has been reported that woman who are raped and have an abortion have even more sadness. Why is it that we kill a life to make someone else's more convenient?

Because Locke's labor theory of property is the basis of capitalism, dumbass.

 

[tynopik]

I don't understand how "but it's the politically expedient thing" is an argument.

Because politics is how the world works?

You'll probably never hear a Democrat say that

Why do you think that is? (ignoring for a moment of course that quite a few have)

but to the extent that their position differs from mine, I believe they are wrong

Well yes, that's what everyone believes

 

[Sonikku]

There's no need to allow women an abortion if raped because if it wasn't a Legitimate Rape™ the body has those mechanisms that shuts all that down and stops it from happening.

 

[Vic]

To paraphrase Sublime, without rape some guys would never procreate.

 

[sandorski]

i hope you tools sent a card or flowers to your mom for being pro-life.

No. She's my Mom, not some nonsensical Patriarchal Political Statement.

 

[MongGrel]

I love how every few weeks the OP crawls out from beneath his rock to post some insane rambling. It'd be more amusing if it weren't so pathetic and sad.

+1

 

[Atomic Playboy]

And promiscuous? So it's okay to fuck everything that moves? Our country is like Rome!

Of course promiscuity is unacceptable. I demand the government keep detailed records of every sexual interaction that happens in our country and permanently brands those with an unacceptably high number of sexual interactions with a physical mark to distinguish them from the morally righteous and/or those who lack game. That's what small government conservatism is all about. If I can't get laid, no one will!

 

[Blackjack200]

Because politics is how the world works?

A politician that does the politically expedient thing will tend do get elected over one that does not. That's sort of axiomatic, but it's also generally true that public opinion has a substantial influence on what's politically expedient. So if people are thoughtful and advocate for the right policies, those policies can become the politically expedient policies. Like what happened (and is happening) with same sex marriage.

Why do you think that is? (ignoring for a moment of course that quite a few have)

Who has?

Because it's not politically expedient.

Why do I think my opinion is not politically expedient? Mainly because this is a religious country, and "Safe, Legal, and Rare" is much easier for religious person to tolerate than "Always legal, for any reason, in any circumstance".

Atheists are overwhelmingly pro-choice.

Well yes, that's what everyone believes

Why are you being so evasive with obnoxious little comments and questions? Why not offer your opinion on the matter, or weigh in on whether you think pro-life people that support exceptions for rape are being inconsistent?

 

[Paratus]

Of course promiscuity is unacceptable. I demand the government keep detailed records of every sexual interaction that happens in our country and permanently brands those with an unacceptably high number of sexual interactions with a physical mark to distinguish them from the morally righteous and/or those who lack game. That's what small government conservatism is all about. If I can't get laid, no one will!

So is killing kids. And since a fertilized egg is a kid, according to religious conservatives, and half of them don't make it to birth I want anyone who engages in sex for procreation to be charged with child endangerment or manslaughter.

I can't go into an orphanage and play Russian Roulette with a half loaded revolver. I don't see why religious conservatives should be allowed to do the same just because they want to procreate.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

i hope you tools sent a card or flowers to your mom for being pro-life.

The only reason I was born was because my mother decided she wasn't ready to carry her first pregnancy to term, so go fuck yourself, you ignorant, self-righteous prick

 

[tynopik]

weigh in on whether you think pro-life people that support exceptions for rape are being inconsistent?

If their goal is to reduce the number of abortions, then they are absolutely being consistent by using the tactics that they believe will best accomplish that goal.

 

[Subyman]

Good thing the supreme court had more sense than the OP.

 

[SheHateMe]

How are babby formed?

 

[fskimospy]

How are babby formed?

They need to do way instain mother, obviously.

 

[ivwshane]

If their goal is to reduce the number of abortions, then they are absolutely being consistent by using the tactics that they believe will best accomplish that goal.

Oh, so they now also support sex education in schools? Of course they don't, even though that reduces unwanted pregnancies. Consistent my ass!

Obviously that isn't their goal as their positions aren't consistent regardless of public support.

 

[tynopik]

Consistent my ass!

Obviously that isn't their goal as their positions aren't consistent regardless of public support.

People can have multiple goals, and sometimes they interfere to an extent, that's the real world.

You have many people who are strongly against global warming who are also against nuclear power even though nuclear power has tremendous capability to cut CO2 emissions. Does opposing nuclear power mean that cutting CO2 emissions isn't their goal? Of course not.

 

[Annisman*]

Considering the welfare state we have established, there is now, more than ever no excuse to kill a helpless baby and cite the 'inability to afford raising it'. It's interesting really, the more we expand the welfare state the more it looks and feels like murder afterall.

 

[Blackjack200]

If their goal is to reduce the number of abortions, then they are absolutely being consistent by using the tactics that they believe will best accomplish that goal.

I'm not talking about tactics. I'm talking about their values. What they believe is right and wrong. If they believe that abortion is wrong, do they still believe it is wrong if the woman was raped? If they do not, does that amount to an inconsistent view?

People can have multiple goals, and sometimes they interfere to an extent, that's the real world.

You have many people who are strongly against global warming who are also against nuclear power even though nuclear power has tremendous capability to cut CO2 emissions. Does opposing nuclear power mean that cutting CO2 emissions isn't their goal? Of course not.

You're just making stupid arguments now. Killing 9/10 of the world's population would also reduce carbon emissions. Wanting to reverse global warming doesn't mean you support every potential method.

That's not the same thing as someone that claims they oppose abortion because it amounts to murder, but believe it should be tolerated when the woman is a rape victim. This person is implying that it is okay to murder someone if they are the result of a rape.

 

[tynopik]

I'm not talking about tactics. I'm talking about their values. What they believe is right and wrong. If they believe that abortion is wrong, do they still believe it is wrong if the woman was raped?

Probably most of them do.

Wanting to reverse global warming doesn't mean you support every potential method.

Wanting to reduce abortions doesn't mean you support every potential method.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

To me abortion should be manslaughter.

Who, exactly, is being murdered? If a 3 month old fetus is killed, what exactly was killed? Do you see any evidence of a self-aware consciousness or personality in a 3 month old fetus? Is there really a person inside of it at the time when the brain isn't even fully developed?

Why not argue that killing adult animals is murder? Surely they must have more personality and self-awareness than a 3 month old fetus.

How does the personality end up inside of the 3 month old fetus or even a 6 month old fetus? Where would it have come from?

 

[John Connor]

The progressives are really showing themselves in this thread. The progressives are actively and systematically destroying the moral fabric of this country. From San Fransisco to New York. In all our infinite wisdom just when does a human's right to life began? I bet if a baby could talk to his/her mom through the umbilical cord, I'm sure they would say, "mommy, please don't kill me." Someone said the justice system is smarter than me? Really? I can cite numerous BS cases of child molesters get probation and other nonsensical rulings. Why is the law allowing the murder of a baby when once that baby is born and killed it isn't allowed? Seems to me the justice system has their thinking backwards. The progressives say it's about your rights. Well, if they had their way they would allow people to walk naked in the street, smoke crack and do other illicit drugs never mind the family structure, we would be speaking two or more languages, etc, etc. This country would look like Detroit in no time. And we see how those Liberal polices worked.

I was at the store last night and saw a baby in the shopping cart as cute as a button smiling away watching her mom take groceries off the shelf. And I thought about how innocent she was not knowing the evil that exists in the world.

Is abortion covered by the Hippocratic oath?

I love how every few weeks the OP crawls out from beneath his rock to post some insane rambling. It'd be more amusing if it weren't so pathetic and sad.

Unlike most political arm chair warriors who post exclusively to this forum and only this forum I have a life. Carry on with your inept logic.

This is why I ignore anything a man has to say about abortions short of them being the father.

This is why you too have inept logic. Did you not read the article in post number one? Chicks On The Right? I guess to you that means transgender?

 

[John Connor]

Why not argue that killing adult animals is murder? Surely they must have more personality and self-awareness than a 3 month old fetus.

Genesis 9:3

"Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."

But I'm sure I'm wasting my time as no one here reads the Bible or believes. I'm not an ultra Christian, I'm a spiritual, baptized protestant Lutheran. And by now you should know me a staunch Conservative.

 

[Vic]

Poor John Connor, he hates capitalism and private property rights and yet is too stupid to know it.

 

[John Connor]

Poor John Connor, he hates capitalism and private property rights and yet is too stupid to know it.

Would the founding fathers allow abortion or consider it an utterly repulsive act against all things that are holy?

Careful who you call stupid alien head.