Mothers day and abortion

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[tynopik]

If you genuinely believe abortion to be murder, a rape and/or incest exception makes absolutely no sense. Why would murdering your innocent child suddenly be okay just because another person committed a crime against you? That's insane.

No, it's pragmatic.

Better to carve out some exceptions to increase support than end up with no restrictions at all.

 

[mindmajick]

Why is this so hard to comprehend? Isn't common sense to think that incest is a morally wrong and not only that but the baby would more than likely be deformed or have at least abnormalities? But, no it's then okay to kill a viable human life just because it will inconvenience the mother? That right there is another morally wrong action.

Progressive assholes don't give a shit about morals and for far too long have turned major cities into shit and planned parenthood is a perfect example of a moral decay of society. And certnaly my tax dollars shouldn't be funding them.

And promiscuous? So it's okay to fuck everything that moves? Our country is like Rome!

Is it moral to add another human life when the humans on this planet are already destroying it? Is it moral to raise a child you don't want? When does human life start? One cell? Is it morally OK to kill fully formed humans if they live a lifestyle you don't agree with? How is Planned Parenthood decaying society? By making birth control cheap and educating the uninformed? They're not abortion mills...

This is a religious issue; not a moral one. Two very different things.

Edit: just to be clear- i PERSONALLY am against abortion and FOR FREEDOM. Which means i have no right to force my opinion on others with fascist laws.

 

[umbrella39]

To me abortion should be manslaughter.

... and that's why most people here point and laugh at your profound stupidity.

 

[sportage]

OH... OH... OH... !!!!!
So "op", assuming all liberals are abortionist, whats worse?
Some poor and poverty stricken mother aborting a child she knows she can not possibly raise yet alone support?
Or, that same mother forced into giving birth, by the insistence of some republican religious fundie, only to have that same religious fundie toss a shit fit when that very same child needs food stamps, or healthcare, or daycare, government assistance, or an education, or a roof over their head?
The pro-lifers picket, assassinate the doctors, refuse contraception funding, defund planned parent hood, and close the clinics.
But after that child is brought into the world, the very same pro-lifers want their tax dollars to have nothing to do with supporting that child.
They call abortion an abomination.
I say the true abomination is their forcing the mother to raise her child in poverty.
With no financial assistance, no healthcare, no concern for that child's well being.
After her child is born, to them the mother becomes just another welfare whore living off the tax payers dime.
But before birth, its all hell fire and brimstone.

 

[nickqt]

OH... OH... OH... !!!!!
So "op", assuming all liberals are abortionist, whats worse?
Some poor and poverty stricken mother aborting a child she knows she can not possibly raise yet alone support?
Or, that same mother forced into giving birth, by the insistence of some republican religious fundie, only to have that same religious fundie toss a shit fit when that very same child needs food stamps, or healthcare, or daycare, government assistance, or an education, or a roof over their head?
The pro-lifers picket, assassinate the doctors, refuse contraception funding, defund planned parent hood, and close the clinics.
But after that child is brought into the world, the very same pro-lifers want their tax dollars to have nothing to do with supporting that child.
They call abortion an abomination.
I say the true abomination is their forcing the mother to raise her child in poverty.
With no financial assistance, no healthcare, no concern for that child's well being.
After her child is born, to them the mother becomes just another welfare whore living off the tax payers dime.
But before birth, its all hell fire and brimstone.

They're pro-life right up until birth.

 

[Newbian]

This is why I ignore anything a man has to say about abortions short of them being the father.

 

[mikeymikec]

Why is this so hard to comprehend? Isn't common sense to think that incest is a morally wrong and not only that but the baby would more than likely be deformed or have at least abnormalities? But, no it's then okay to kill a viable human life just because it will inconvenience the mother? That right there is another morally wrong action.

So it's OK to abort an "abnormal" baby is it? Who defines normal exactly? How abnormal would the kid need to be before you would define it as OK to abort? You do realise that kids get born on all the time with atypical conditions? Furthermore, you do realise that people live happy lives with atypical conditions?

You're also saying it's OK to abort a baby due to suspected incest (criminal activity), but it's not OK to abort a baby due to rape (also criminal activity)? Incest according to you is morally wrong but rape isn't?

One more point, let's say a kid is born from an incestuous relationship and another (completely unrelated to the first) is born from rape. The first kid ends up with some kind of health problem, possibly the result of its incestuous heritage, however that child has (otherwise) loving parents who are taking their responsibility seriously.

The second kid's mother is someone who never wanted a child, and/or perhaps they had some kid of health problem resulting from the delivery of a child that they never wanted, born into a society where people like you have made the decision that she would be wrong to do anything else than "assume her responsibility".

Please be the judge of which kid should have been aborted, but not only that, ignore all the other circumstances in future and judge any unborn children based only on whether they were suspected to be born of incest or not.

PS: I'm not condoning incestuous relationships in any way, but since John Connor claims to have a considered opinion on both points, I think it's worthwhile for him to justify his opinion.

 

[Sulaco]

We aren't talking about the rapped woman in America?

Well maybe we wouldn't be if she didn't dress that way!!

 

[Newell Steamer]

It's great how that site talks about a "moral compass" and it is littered with 1/2 naked women and click bait. It really shows me their degree of how upstanding and morally right they are.

Also, if they are saying that a date rape baby shouldn't be punished, because we don't know who they might turn out to be, then a murderer should never be executed, because we don't know who they might to turn out to be after reform - right?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

http://chicksontheright.com/blog/it...owerful-message-for-his-mom-this-mother-s-day

To me abortion should be manslaughter. It has been reported that woman who are raped and have an abortion have even more sadness. Why is it that we kill a life to make someone else's more convenient?

SMH

 

[tynopik]

This is why I ignore anything a man has to say about abortions short of them being the father.

When a parent abuses a severely autistic child, who are you to judge?

Until you've experienced what they've experienced and dealt with what they had to deal with, you are not qualified to tell them what they can or cannot do with their child.

 

[dank69]

It's great how that site talks about a "moral compass" and it is littered with 1/2 naked women and click bait. It really shows me their degree of how upstanding and morally right they are.

Also, if they are saying that a date rape baby shouldn't be punished, because we don't know who they might turn out to be, then a murderer should never be executed, because we don't know who they might to turn out to be after reform - right?

They might father some world leaders.

 

[Blackjack200]

I've always found the 'rape and incest' exception to be very interesting, as it completely exposes the real reason conservatives oppose abortion.

If you genuinely believe abortion to be murder, a rape and/or incest exception makes absolutely no sense. Why would murdering your innocent child suddenly be okay just because another person committed a crime against you? That's insane.

It always comes down to the case of rape not being the woman's "fault". And that right there gives the game away. It's about punishing women for being promiscuous and not living up to their version of sexual morality. They don't give a shit about the embryo.

You're not the only one; everyone knows it's bullshit. Remember when a bunch of Republicans got into trouble by suggesting that pregnancies don't generally happen when woment are "legitimately" raped? That was the last serious attempt to rectify the contradiction, and it was a total disaster.

Now they just STFU about it, and pretend there is no contradiction rather than openly support abortion restrictions on pregnancies resulting from rape.

Great statesmen.

No, it's pragmatic.

Better to carve out some exceptions to increase support than end up with no restrictions at all.

Wrong. If that was the case these fine upstanding statesmen would simply tell us that they believe in what is morally right: a complete ban on abortion, but that they support lesser bans because they're realists.

 

[tynopik]

That was the last serious attempt to rectify the contradiction, and it was a total disaster.

You make it sound like a movement instead of one wacko.

Also, you have it backwards, it wasn't to justify the need for a rape exception, it was to justify why a rape exemption wasn't needed.

Wrong. If that was the case these fine upstanding statesmen would simply tell us that they believe in what is morally right: a complete ban on abortion, but that they support lesser bans because they're realists.

Because that would be a stupid thing to say at this point. Such quotes would merely give ammunition to those attacking.

It's how the politics of incrementalism works. When gay activists were working to get it de-criminalized, did they say they wanted gay marriage? No. Did they want gay marriage? Probably, but they knew that wasn't a fight they were going to win at the time so they didn't talk about it. What if they had started out saying that people who refuse to bake cakes for gay marriage should lose their businesses? They would have never got anywhere, yet here we are.

Forbidding abortion in cases of rape or incest isn't a battle they're going to win, so they pick their battles and focus on what they can win.

One step at a time, one step at a time

 

[CitizenKain]

Progressive assholes don't give a shit about morals and for far too long have turned major cities into shit and planned parenthood is a perfect example of a moral decay of society. And certnaly my tax dollars shouldn't be funding them.

And promiscuous? So it's okay to fuck everything that moves? Our country is like Rome!

Haha, poorly educated redneck complaining about morals, always priceless. I mean, you blame planned parenthood, its like, how fucking stupid are you?

 

[ivwshane]

Haha, poorly educated redneck complaining about morals, always priceless. I mean, you blame planned parenthood, its like, how fucking stupid are you?

He's really fucking stupid, that's why he hasn't posted again.

I say keep shaming idiots like him until they go live in a hole.

 

[WHAMPOM]

http://chicksontheright.com/blog/it...owerful-message-for-his-mom-this-mother-s-day

To me abortion should be manslaughter. It has been reported that woman who are raped and have an abortion have even more sadness. Why is it that we kill a life to make someone else's more convenient?

You can stop trying to jack me off if you cannot even get the erection first part right.

 

[Blackjack200]

You make it sound like a movement instead of one wacko.

Also, you have it backwards, it wasn't to justify the need for a rape exception, it was to justify why a rape exemption wasn't needed.

Had what backwards? I said it was the last attempt to rectify the contradiction.

I should have been more clear that Republicans tried to rectify it a bunch of different ways, with the 'legitimate rape' thing being the most colorful and idiotic, but even that wasn't limited to just one wacko.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/0...ublican-rape-quotes-everyone-should-remember/

The "one wacko" you're referring to is Todd Akin, #8. But look at #10, #11, #12, #15, #31, #33, #34, #35, and #38.

Also, lots of folks on this list defending Akin's but not repeating his claim.

Because that would be a stupid thing to say at this point. Such quotes would merely give ammunition to those attacking.

It's how the politics of incrementalism works. When gay activists were working to get it de-criminalized, did they say they wanted gay marriage? No. Did they want gay marriage? Probably, but they knew that wasn't a fight they were going to win at the time so they didn't talk about it. What if they had started out saying that people who refuse to bake cakes for gay marriage should lose their businesses? They would have never got anywhere, yet here we are.

Forbidding abortion in cases of rape or incest isn't a battle they're going to win, so they pick their battles and focus on what they can win.

One step at a time, one step at a time

I'm not talking about activisits, I'm talking about the legislators and policy makers.

It was never an issue because neither side supported gay marriage until recently. If the Republicans had, they could have legitimately criticized Democrats for supporting some gay rights but not marriage. But they had the same wrong position. So they didn't get to take that opportunity.

 

[smackababy]

My favorite part about the pro life movement is the bombing of abortion clinics. Let's save the babies; by blowing them up along with the doctors and mothers!

 

[OutHouse]

i hope you tools sent a card or flowers to your mom for being pro-life.

 

[tynopik]

Had what backwards? I said it was the last attempt to rectify the contradiction.

I take 'rectify' to mean justify.

As in, if abortion is murder, how do you justify an exception for rape and incest.

And that's apparently what you mean too:

Now they just STFU about it, and pretend there is no contradiction rather than openly support abortion restrictions on pregnancies resulting from rape.

I should have been more clear that Republicans tried to rectify it a bunch of different ways, with the 'legitimate rape' thing being the most colorful and idiotic

Again, that was not to justify the rape exemption, that was to justify ELIMINATING the exemption.

but even that wasn't limited to just one wacko.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/0...ublican-rape-quotes-everyone-should-remember/

The "one wacko" you're referring to is Todd Akin, #8. But look at #10, #11, #12, #15, #31, #33, #34, #35, and #38.

Many of those are weak, real weak.

Or just plain wrong actually

10: Typical political evasion. "never been brought to me in any personal way" He's not denying that it happens, he's trying to avoid giving a soundbite.

12. He says that people have been born out of rape who have been healthy members of society. Do you disagree?

15. Said that sometimes women have regrets about consensual sex and then later claim to have been raped. Do you deny that happens?

35. Palin was saying she was right to support Akin's opponent.

It was never an issue because neither side supported gay marriage until recently.

Isn't that exactly the point?

They waited until the time was right before pushing for it.

Same reason they aren't pushing a blanket ban at this time.

One step at a time

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

... and that's why most people here point and laugh at your profound stupidity.

That's why I came into this thread. It's full of OP lolz and blatherings.

 

[Blackjack200]

I take 'rectify' to mean justify.

As in, if abortion is murder, how do you justify an exception for rape and incest.

And that's apparently what you mean too:

Again, that was not to justify the rape exemption, that was to justify ELIMINATING the exemption.

I don't know why you're getting into semantics, I used the word rectify to avoid that. It does not mean the same thing as justify. I used a broad word because Republicans approach the question in different ways.

In Akin's case, he rectified it by suggesting that pregnancy as a result of rape is not possible, so no exemption is needed.

Many of those are weak, real weak.

Or just plain wrong actually

10: Typical political evasion. "never been brought to me in any personal way" He's not denying that it happens, he's trying to avoid giving a soundbite.

12. He says that people have been born out of rape who have been healthy members of society. Do you disagree?

15. Said that sometimes women have regrets about consensual sex and then later claim to have been raped. Do you deny that happens?

35. Palin was saying she was right to support Akin's opponent.

My main point is that distasteful comments about rape are not limited to one or two republicans. Rather than argue each bullet, would you agree to that?

Isn't that exactly the point?

They waited until the time was right before pushing for it.

Same reason they aren't pushing a blanket ban at this time.

One step at a time

Yes, I see your point. I guess my point is that in both cases we benefit from exposing the inconsistency and asking candidates to explain them.

If a candidate supports gay rights but not SSM, I would like to know why, and I would like voters to know that he or she holds those views.

Same with abortion. If a candidate favors abortion prohibition, I would like to know if they would also prohibit a woman from aborting a fetus resulting from a rape. If they would not, I would like to know why.

 

[tynopik]

My main point is that distasteful comments about rape are not limited to one or two republicans.

That's not what you said originally, but I'm glad you're backing off that.

I guess my point is that in both cases we benefit from exposing the inconsistency and asking candidates to explain them.

If a candidate supports gay rights but not SSM, I would like to know why, and I would like voters to know that he or she holds those views.

You're looking at it from the current political environment.

Back 40 years ago, saying that gay marriage should be allowed definitely would NOT be helping your cause of getting it decriminalized.

Same with abortion. If a candidate favors abortion prohibition, I would like to know if they would also prohibit a woman from aborting a fetus resulting from a rape. If they would not, I would like to know why.

And being politician's they're not going going to give you a straight answer.

Because right now they need the support of those who must have the exemption, so it wouldn't be politic to say, 'Yeah, I'm going to campaign to get rid of the exemption as soon as possible."

Also if they don't support the exemption, it makes them too easy of a target for emotional attacks about furthering trauma for rape victims or whatnot. So by cutting out a small exemption they dramatically resist opposition. Smart politics.