Mothers day and abortion

[realibrad]

There are some who have been manipulated into actually believing that fetuses deserve the dignity and legal protection of people, but the root of the outrage is what Cerpin Taxt said.

You can see it in the objections to birth control, sex ed, STD prevention and treatment, and a whole host of other positions that betray what this is about.

Most I have spoken to that oppose, do so because of moral hazard. Its also a weak argument, but, still the typical view I see.

 

[Blackjack200]

Most I have spoken to that oppose, do so because of moral hazard. Its also a weak argument, but, still the typical view I see.

Moral hazard as in 'you shouldn't be able to enjoy sex and then excuse yourself from the penalty (children)'

No?

 

[realibrad]

Moral hazard as in 'you shouldn't be able to enjoy sex and then excuse yourself from the penalty (children)'

No?

Slightly different. What I thought he meant, was that sex was a bad thing, so they wanted to try and make sex not worth it by not allowing access to birth control ect.

I was saying that its a moral hazard in others views, because, giving women things like birth control would mean more sex, which could actually lead or more babies, stds ect.

 

[preCRT]

So the pro-birthers can now rejoice. The 10 year old child in Paraguay who became pregnant after repeated rapes by her step-father, and who was forced to continue with the pregnancy by the Paraguay Supreme Court has, after undergoing a c-section, delivered a daughter.

That now 11 year old child was victimized by all who could have saved her. May they rot in hell forever.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/13/paraguay-11-year-old-gives-birth-abortion

 

[MongGrel]

And in your happy news for the day.

Nice necro, Paraguay. I wonder how many worse things are going on elsewhere.

 

[sandorski]

So the pro-birthers can now rejoice. The 10 year old child in Paraguay who became pregnant after repeated rapes by her step-father, and who was forced to continue with the pregnancy by the Paraguay Supreme Court has, after undergoing a c-section, delivered a daughter.

That now 11 year old child was victimized by all who could have saved her. May they rot in hell forever.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/13/paraguay-11-year-old-gives-birth-abortion

Disgusting.

 

[Victorian Gray]

nm

 

[Spungo]

I don't think this topic is an argument you can "logic" your way to a victory. You either feel a woman should have a choice whether or not she carries a pregnancy to full term, or you don't think she should have a choice.

Just like the drug legalization debate, I think this is a flawed question to ask.

We all agree that abortion is a bad thing, true? Good, now the next question is about consequences. What are the consequences of abortion, and what are the consequences of no abortion.
Abortions: Dead babies.
No Abortions: The people who are willing to kill their own babies are forced to be parents. Let that idea sink in. If you think abortion is murder, then banning abortion means you're forcing a potential murderer to be a parent. People can draw their own conclusions of how that will turn out. I'm guessing it's not good. People who wish their children were never born are probably not the world's greatest parents.

I'm about 30 now, and I will never again date a man who came from a single parent household. I also won't date a man who doesn't love his mother. Been there, done that. I'm sure there are a lot of great men who had single parents, but the ones I've dated were really screwed up. They had no understanding of what a stable relationship looks like. Talking to guys, it seems like this is true for women as well. A lot of women raised by single parents are really screwed up. That term "daddy issues" exists for a reason. Do we really need more of those people in the world?

When I compare abortion to drugs, what I mean is that we generally agree that drug abuse is a bad thing. What we need to talk about is results. What is the result of alcohol prohibition; did it make things better or worse? It made things a lot worse. Banning alcohol or banning abortion sound great in theory, but they tend to make the situation worse. As the saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

There's no need to allow women an abortion if raped because if it wasn't a Legitimate Rape™ the body has those mechanisms that shuts all that down and stops it from happening.

I love following the logic on this one. Your wife is having trouble getting pregnant? It probably means you're raping her

 

[Paratus]

So the pro-birthers can now rejoice. The 10 year old child in Paraguay who became pregnant after repeated rapes by her step-father, and who was forced to continue with the pregnancy by the Paraguay Supreme Court has, after undergoing a c-section, delivered a daughter.

That now 11 year old child was victimized by all who could have saved her. May they rot in hell forever.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/13/paraguay-11-year-old-gives-birth-abortion

This is the result of pro-life policies. Raped children forced to risk injury or death to carry their rapists baby to term.

At least pro-lifers can feel self-righteous about this. And really isn't that what's important?

 

[preCRT]

Get the term straight, please. Those people are pro-birth, not pro-life.
They don't give a damn about the life of the mother nor of the child, after birth. They will not pay for the feeding, educating, housing, caring, or any other expense related to the life of that former fetus after birth.

 

[Paratus]

Get the term straight, please. Those people are pro-birth, not pro-life.
They don't give a damn about the life of the mother nor of the child, after birth. They will not pay for the feeding, educating, housing, caring, or any other expense related to the life of that former fetus after birth.

What they will do when inevitably one one of these raped children dies in child birth is convict the rapist of murder and give em the death penalty.

Because as George Carlin said they are Pro their right to determine who lives and dies.

 

[Blue_Max]

--insert word police meme here--

Aw, c'mon... Rape jokes may bring on the wrath of the SJW's, but they don't have a claim on RAP jokes!

(Oops... maybe they DO!)

 

[Spungo]

(Oops... maybe they DO!)

I guess I need to return my Uncle Sam costume. We're a culture, not a costume!

That really is a great costume.

 

[Blue_Max]

Spongo.... that...

...

...that was awesome.