Motherboard for Xeon E5 2699

resle2

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Hi,
I want to build a workstation around the Xeon E5 2699 V3 cpu.

Could you please advice me on what motherboard(s) would support the above, and:

- at least 128gb Ram
- unbuffered memory

Also, I haven't fully understood if this cpu can be used in a single-cpu config (I have a vague memory that some Xeon models were specific to single, dual, or quad cpus configs)


Thanks for the help
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zir_blazer

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Anything with 8 slots and 16 GB Unbuffered DDR4 modules should get you to 128 GB on any LGA 2011-3 platform. Xeons E5 V3 also happily works on consumer X99 Motherboards.

However, why on earth you would want to use a 4000 U$D Processor and not pair it with proper Registered + ECC RAM and a high quality Workstation/Server Motherboard?
 

resle2

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Thanks everyone for the advice



However, why on earth you would want to use a 4000 U$D Processor and not pair it with proper Registered + ECC RAM and a high quality Workstation/Server Motherboard?

I tend to have only one machine around, which I use both as workstation for computationally heavy tasks, and more casual usage. I had configs with server motherboards in the past (Intel or Super Micro, usually), and the lack of "joe average" chipset features was getting in the way of the casual usage part, such as gaming or even just audio editing for example (had to add discrete sound cards). I think that Asus MB should get me the best of both worlds.

Which 16gb dimms would you suggest?
 

paperwastage

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Which 16gb dimms would you suggest?

large memory/capacity DIMMs could sometimes be picky

suggest you to take a look at asus's RAM compatibility list first. also agree on zir_blazer's point - get ECC

it's going to be like <$500 difference anyway (with a $3k CPU and $500 motherboard)

http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb...ries_MEMORY_DDR4_non_ECC_UDIMM_QVL_150520.pdf
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb...series_MEMORY_DDR4_ECC_RDIMM_QVL_20151203.pdf

I believe that all of the tested memory is RDIMM, but someone says LRDIMM somewhat works too. (you should read through the master thread below). theoretically, 8x32GB LRDIMM dual rank DIMMs should work as well, but as the thread below mentions, compatibility issues...

http://www.overclock.net/t/1516058/official-asus-x99-e-ws-owners-thread/1550#post_24029073
http://www.overclock.net/t/1516058/official-asus-x99-e-ws-owners-thread/1840#post_24289707
 
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resle2

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large memory/capacity DIMMs could sometimes be picky

suggest you to take a look at asus's RAM compatibility list first. also agree on zir_blazer's point - get ECC

it's going to be like <$500 difference anyway (with a $3k CPU and $500 motherboard)

http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb...ries_MEMORY_DDR4_non_ECC_UDIMM_QVL_150520.pdf
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb...series_MEMORY_DDR4_ECC_RDIMM_QVL_20151203.pdf

I believe that all of the tested memory is RDIMM, but someone says LRDIMM somewhat works too. (you should read through the master thread below). theoretically, 8x32GB LRDIMM dual rank DIMMs should work as well, but as the thread below mentions, compatibility issues...

http://www.overclock.net/t/1516058/official-asus-x99-e-ws-owners-thread/1550#post_24029073
http://www.overclock.net/t/1516058/official-asus-x99-e-ws-owners-thread/1840#post_24289707

Thanks for the tip.

However I prefer to go with unbuffered, it's... easier to recycle elsewhere, and actually I always had a lot more trouble with compatibility with ecc modules than with unbuffered ones.

I think I'll go with 16gb x 8, I am reading all kind of horror stories about 32gb sticks, not just on that thread.
 

zir_blazer

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However I prefer to go with unbuffered, it's... easier to recycle elsewhere, and actually I always had a lot more trouble with compatibility with ecc modules than with unbuffered ones.
Do NOT confuse ECC with Registered. There are 4 DDR3/DDR4 variants, the standard common Unbuffered, Unbuffered + ECC, then Buffered/Registered and Buffered/Registered + ECC.
Theorically (I would love to see practical confirmations), you can potentially use Unbuffered + ECC anywhere (And even mix non-ECC and ECC modules), ECC just isn't used if there is no platform support for it, so they work as non-ECC. Buffered does need explicit support and they don't work on consumer platforms, chances are than that is why you weren't able to get them working. LGA 2011/2011-3 Xeons E5 support them, not sure if that socket Core i7s also does.
Rather interesing, Puget System got a Xeon with 256 GB Buffered + ECC working on a consumer Motherboard (8 * 32 GB), so it seems that maybe only the Processor matters.

Also, if you're used to Supermicro, they have Workstation class Motherboards that comes with Audio and other standard consumer goodies. Its the Server ones that are totally dull. Check X10SRA, or the X99 version, C7X99-OCE. Both have a -F variation with IPMI.
Chances are that you can't touch anything to run out-of-spec in the X10SRA, while the X99 one does. But since Xeons don't have Unlocked Multiplier, chances are you wouldn't get anywhere with it since Base Clock overclock is extremely limited on Haswell/Haswell-E. Basically, forget overclocking.


Another two things to consider: The Xeon E5 2699V3 you want has a low base Frequency, is the sacrifice you do in order to have that many Cores. Turbo seems good, but since you won't find reviews of that 4000 U$D toy, you will have to research to figure out how often it kicks at that Frequency. Otherwise, Single Threaded performance and gaming would be much lower than a standard Desktop Processor 1/15 of its value, but chances are that a 2.2 GHz Haswell is still "good enough".
There is also an OEM version of the 2699V3 which is the 2696V3, its identical but around 1500-2000 U$D cheaper. Problem is that since its OEM you will find it only on eBay, and I'm not sure if they're production parts or Engineering Samples (There are a lot of ES on eBay), which may not work on all Motherboards, only specific ones and on earlier BIOS versions. You may want to research that.

Finally, I hope that you are a heavy virtualization user and are intending to do VGA Passthrough with such setup. May want to google around what it is and how to do it with Xen or KVM VFIO, it may suit the tastes of someone with 18 Cores and a truckload of RAM.
 

resle2

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Do NOT confuse ECC with Registered. (...)

Plenty of info! Thanks again.
I wasn't aware of those Super Micro boards, looks interesting.

I never fiddle with overclocking and I do very little gaming - currently I have a Xeon W3690 on a Asus Rampage III, which served me nicely for about 5 years and never disappointed in regard to Turbo Boost (I may be mistaken but I think this is the first series of CPU that featured this technology)

You guessed right, I do plenty of virtualization, with and without VGA passthrough - but even with that, the CPU I am getting would be overkill: to be straightforward, I now live in China and here there's a whole market for goods that were confiscated at the border. I can get the 2699 V3 for about $800 (yes, 20% of the original market value, this is the standard). This triggered the whole "let's build a new workstation, one that will last me 5 years like my current one" :)

I like the idea of increasing the core count (now I have 6 in hyperthreading = 12), while not using hyperthreading anymore. I found it to make VM performance very unpredictable, at least using HyperV.
 
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