Mother of 9 yr old rape victim kicked out of the Catholic church

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Reality >> religion.

I actually agree with a lot of the rest of your post, but this last statement here is just asinine.

Harvey, here's a dose of reality for you...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...%27s_Research_Hospital

 

[Phokus]

I like how the same catholic church that bred and protected child molestors are all high and mighty over something like this :roll:

 

[Atomic Playboy]

There are two very important quotes that need to be emphasized when looking at this story.

The archbishop who approved the excommunication commented that "A graver act than (rape) is abortion, to eliminate an innocent life."

The doctors who performed the procedure concluded that the girl "was so small that her uterus did not have the ability to contain one child let alone two."

So we have an archbishop who says that it is worse to take an innocent life than to rape someone. But we also have a medical staff who states that the girl would have died if she had attempted to bring the babies to term. Surely a nine year old girl qualifies as an innocent life, correct? If the girl had attempted to take the babies to term and had died, would the father then be excommunicated for getting her pregnant to begin with, thus ending her life? Seems only fair.

Or maybe a nine year old girl isn't innocent. I know the Catholics believe that we are all born with original sin. They also say that a fetus is an innocent life, yet still a person. So life may begin with conception, but original sin happens somewhere along the way. When does a fetus become a sinner? When it tears through a woman's loins to burst forth into the world? If all it takes is loin rending, then certainly the father is the sinner, having surely damaged his daughter in the three years of raping her that occurred. Yet he is allowed to stay with the church?

Remember kids, trying to save the life of a sinful child is wrong; protecting the welfare of a lecherous, rapist, incestuous prick? That's God's will.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Harvey

Reality >> religion.

I actually agree with a lot of the rest of your post, but this last statement here is just asinine.

Harvey, here's a dose of reality for you...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...%27s_Research_Hospital

I didn't deny that religiously based groups do good work. I admire and respect the work St. Judes has done for pediatric medicine and Danny Thomas for founding and sponsoring their organization.

I'm sure the values taught by their faith motivates them to pursue these noble goals. Those same values are found throughout human civilization, irrespective of religion. I don't think they allow religious dogma interfere with their medical research.

My point is that, in cases like this, using religious dogma as an excuse to do such harm to an innocent child rape victim is beyond stupid.

The case in the OP's topic isn't an isolated incident. History over centuries is full of examples where religious leaders have used their dogma as an excuse to suppress knowledge and, as in this case, to harm defenseless human beings.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

There are SO many fallacies with almost every religion it boggles the mind. To punish a child with death by forcing a NINE YEAR OLD to give birth to a child she would have because SHE WAS RAPED BY HER STEPFATHER is beyond stupid, but according to catholics and many others, even the governor of AK, rape is not just cause for an abortion, even when the woman's (in this case child's) life is in danger.
Most organized religions makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
There are SO many fallacies with almost every religion it boggles the mind. To punish a child with death by forcing a NINE YEAR OLD to give birth to a child she would have because SHE WAS RAPED BY HER STEPFATHER is beyond stupid, but according to catholics and many others, even the governor of AK, rape is not just cause for an abortion, even when the woman's (in this case child's) life is in danger.
Most organized religions makes me sick to my stomach.

Don't skip out on the fact that her uterus wasn't actually big enough for twins, so not only would the child have died, but the fetuses likely would never make it to full term and would have died as well. But that point is only useful if you use "logic" and not "abortion bad!" like the Catholic bishop here.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Harvey

Reality >> religion.

I actually agree with a lot of the rest of your post, but this last statement here is just asinine.

Harvey, here's a dose of reality for you...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...%27s_Research_Hospital

I didn't deny that religiously based groups do good work. I admire and respect the work St. Judes has done for pediatric medicine and Danny Thomas for founding and sponsoring their organization.

I'm sure the values taught by their faith motivates them to pursue these noble goals. Those same values are found throughout human civilization, irrespective of religion. I don't think they allow religious dogma interfere with their medical research.

My point is that, in cases like this, using religious dogma as an excuse to do such harm to an innocent child rape victim is beyond stupid.

The case in the OP's topic isn't an isolated incident. History over centuries is full of examples where religious leaders have used their dogma as an excuse to suppress knowledge and, as in this case, to harm defenseless human beings.

And again, I agree.

But your statement, "reality >> religion," is nonsensical. The truth is, religion is part of reality. Perhaps not your's, but society's. Perhaps you make the statement to appear superior to those who have religious beliefs, and if so, it is not superiority you show, but your own feelings of inferiority. I hope I am wrong in my assumption.

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: brandonb
The victim was not excomunicated as previously stated.

The mother was, and probably for good reason (which the article did not state). If the church took such a strong action it's probably for a good reason. I'm guessing the church probably knew of the abuse through confessions or other means, and the mom did nothing to save her kid before hand (kicking the man out) but instead took the action of abortion only after she got pregnant. Do you guys even attempt to play devil's advocate to see the other side of the story before starting your anti church propaganda?

?!?

what a piece of work..

blown away by the ignorance

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: brandonb
The victim was not excomunicated as previously stated.

The mother was, and probably for good reason (which the article did not state). If the church took such a strong action it's probably for a good reason. I'm guessing the church probably knew of the abuse through confessions or other means, and the mom did nothing to save her kid before hand (kicking the man out) but instead took the action of abortion only after she got pregnant. Do you guys even attempt to play devil's advocate to see the other side of the story before starting your anti church propaganda?

You're right, it's very difficult to see it from a pedophiliac rapist point of view. Tell me again, how was nine year old guilty?? Or the mother? Did she get him erect, tie her daughter down, and forcibly shove his penis in her daughters vagina enough times to have him ejaculate?
Now that I look at it from that point of view, you're right, the daughter should be stoned to death.

 

[SAWYER]

Originally posted by: Phokus
I like how the same catholic church that bred and protected child molestors are all high and mighty over something like this :roll:

Exactly

 

[Kadarin]

Catholic Church = FAIL

They're so disconnected from reality that it's not even funny.

 

[sactoking]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: senseamp
They are just pissed off it wasn't a 9 year old boy and they weren't doing the raping.

I didn`t know this was a problem in Brazil....please provide links...thx

It's a problem with the Catholic church. Their pederast priests like to have sex with underage boys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

Why is it more predominant in the Catholic faith?
Is it because they are more whacko than people give them credit for? I mean Scientology is pretty far out there, but I don't ever recall any stories about little children be molested/raped by Ron L. Hubbard.

Well, he DID marry his second wife while still married to his first, he allegedly beat both of them, and he did sail the Mediterranean for 2 years with a ship full of teenage girls, so, draw your own conclusions.

He also referred to Jesus Christ as a pedophile.

 

[Moonbeam]

The Church has enormous assets and tremendous scientific capability. They should devote their time and energies to perfecting a male womb that can be implanted in priests who can volunteer to carry undesired fetuses to term. Why they haven't already done so I just can't imagine. They show so many signs that they really care about the fetus.

I can't believe they're a bunch of fucking hypocrites who are actually wedded to a bunch of antiquated and bigoted ideas.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: brandonb
The victim was not excomunicated as previously stated.

The mother was, and probably for good reason (which the article did not state). If the church took such a strong action it's probably for a good reason. I'm guessing the church probably knew of the abuse through confessions or other means, and the mom did nothing to save her kid before hand (kicking the man out) but instead took the action of abortion only after she got pregnant. Do you guys even attempt to play devil's advocate to see the other side of the story before starting your anti church propaganda?

so if the mother was excommunicated for letting the daughter get raped, why wasn't the rapist excommunicated? Why was the doctor excommunicated for saving the girls life?

 

[MadRat]

Just to clear matters up, the church can excommunicate a non-Catholic.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Church has enormous assets and tremendous scientific capability. They should devote their time and energies to perfecting a male womb that can be implanted in priests who can volunteer to carry undesired fetuses to term.

I love this idea! Let the two-faced leaders that make bold (asinine) moves like these take the brunt of their decision. There is a large number of catholic priests that actually are pretty connected with the reality, but they get silenced by these lunatic leaders like this particular bishop.

 

[Fear No Evil]

I love the way people make the argument thats it bad for the church to kick these people out when they need the church the most, then go on to say religion is stupid. Isn't this doing them a favor then? And where are the non-christian support groups for this girl and her family? All you anti-religion folks seem to want to blame the church for everything but there doesn't seem to be a lot of you out there volunteering your time to help people like this. If you were, they wouldn't need the church would they?

 

[silverpig]

I can see Jesus sitting up in heaven right now with his palm stuck to his face.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I love the way people make the argument thats it bad for the church to kick these people out when they need the church the most, then go on to say religion is stupid. Isn't this doing them a favor then? And where are the non-christian support groups for this girl and her family? All you anti-religion folks seem to want to blame the church for everything but there doesn't seem to be a lot of you out there volunteering your time to help people like this. If you were, they wouldn't need the church would they?

I'm not anti-religion, I'm anti-hypocrisy. What happened to "love the sinner, hate the sin?" What happened to "forgive as the Lord forgave you?" Claiming to be the beacon of hope and the path of righteousness, then turning on a family who is fighting to save their daughter's life after years of abuse and rape... That's hypocrisy. That is NOT what Jesus would have done, and true Catholics should be fucking ashamed of the church's response to these events.