Mother of 9 yr old rape victim kicked out of the Catholic church

[HomerJS]

Article

Let's see a 9 year old girl is raped by her step father and becomes pregnant with twins. Carrying to term would kill the girl. Mother gets her daughter an abortion. Church excommunicates the mother but not the step-father.

So where is the real evil here?????

The article states that the girl was not excommunicated. The title and OP have been edited for accuracy and spelling.

He said the excommunication would not apply to the child

Former OP:

9 yr old rape victum and mother kicked out of the Catholic church

Let's see a 9 year old girl is raped by her step father and becomes pregnant with twins. Carrying to term would kill the girl. Mother gets her daughter an abortion. Church excommunicates the girl, the mother but not the step-father.

So where is the real evil here?????

-Schadenfroh (AT Mod)

 

[Robor]

On the bright side the mother and daughter will be better off without the intolerant morons.

 

[miketheidiot]

the victim was not kicked out.


anyways i didn't think that getting an abortion was an excommunication offense, i thought you actually had to challenge church dotrine to do that?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

This sucks on so many levels that it's unbelievable....least of which is the Catholic Church's reaction to it. Time for a new church.

 

[waggy]

the little girl was not kicked out. her mother, the doctors, nurse etc was.

sad story. im amazed they even tried to block her from having it done even when the doctors said seh may die if she has the child.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: HomerJS
Article

Let's see a 9 year old girl is raped by her step father and becomes pregnant with twins. Carrying to term would kill the girl. Mother gets her daughter an abortion. Church excommunicates the girl, the mother but not the step-father.

So where is the real evil here?????

The article does not indicate whther the step father is Catholic or not. If he is not Catholic, then the Church cannot excommunicate him. As for the mother, daughter and medical staff involved, that can be appropriate.

But what it does not mean is that these people are kicked out of the Church. Instead, they can continue to go to Church and seek absolution at which time they are allowed to be full practitioners of the faith.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
the victim was not kicked out.


anyways i didn't think that getting an abortion was an excommunication offense, i thought you actually had to challenge church dotrine to do that?

She can be.

(2) "Those who efficaciously procure abortion." The fruitless attempt is not punished with excommunication; authors do not agree as to whether the woman guilty of self-abortion is excommunicated.

Link for reference

The link above gets into much more detail than practical here. See the section on "excommunication reserved to bishops".

 

[BW86]

The Catholic Church is a joke

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: BW86
The archaic doctrines of the Catholic Church and those who follow/dictate it are a joke

Fixed.

 

[brandonb]

The victim was not excomunicated as previously stated.

The mother was, and probably for good reason (which the article did not state). If the church took such a strong action it's probably for a good reason. I'm guessing the church probably knew of the abuse through confessions or other means, and the mom did nothing to save her kid before hand (kicking the man out) but instead took the action of abortion only after she got pregnant. Do you guys even attempt to play devil's advocate to see the other side of the story before starting your anti church propaganda?

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: HomerJS
Article

Let's see a 9 year old girl is raped by her step father and becomes pregnant with twins. Carrying to term would kill the girl. Mother gets her daughter an abortion. Church excommunicates the girl, the mother but not the step-father.

So where is the real evil here?????

The Church is sadly full of this stuff. Defend the larger ideals at the cost of compromising the small ones.

The problem is, you cannot have the larger ideals if the small ones get brushed aside.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: brandonb
The victim was not excomunicated as previously stated.

The mother was, and probably for good reason (which the article did not state). If the church took such a strong action it's probably for a good reason. I'm guessing the church probably knew of the abuse through confessions or other means, and the mom did nothing to save her kid before hand (kicking the man out) but instead took the action of abortion only after she got pregnant. Do you guys even attempt to play devil's advocate to see the other side of the story before starting your anti church propaganda?

?!?

 

[theeedude]

They are just pissed off it wasn't a 9 year old boy and they weren't doing the raping.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Robor

On the bright side the mother and daughter will be better off without the intolerant morons.

QFT!

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: brandonb
Do you guys even attempt to play devil's advocate to see the other side of the story before starting your anti church propaganda?

Of course not!

 

[CLite]

Originally posted by: brandonb
The victim was not excomunicated as previously stated.

The mother was, and probably for good reason (which the article did not state). If the church took such a strong action it's probably for a good reason. I'm guessing the church probably knew of the abuse through confessions or other means, and the mom did nothing to save her kid before hand (kicking the man out) but instead took the action of abortion only after she got pregnant. Do you guys even attempt to play devil's advocate to see the other side of the story before starting your anti church propaganda?

Just to clarify, the doctor was in on this rape scheme too right? Or was he excommunicated for saving the little girl's life?

Please enlighten me, I wish to hear more of your idiotic rambling.

Also....

The Archbishop of Olinda and Recife, Jose Cardoso Sobrinho, told Brazil's TV Globo that the law of God was above any human law.
He said the excommunication would not apply to the child because of her age, but would affect all those who ensured the abortion was carried out.

*edit* my wording is confusing people I guess. I am saying the Catholic church decided not to excommunicate her because of her age, not out of compassion for her wanting to avoid possible death delivering twins whose father violently raped her.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: senseamp
They are just pissed off it wasn't a 9 year old boy and they weren't doing the raping.

that comment was so fuckin stoopid on so many levels.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: senseamp
They are just pissed off it wasn't a 9 year old boy and they weren't doing the raping.

I didn`t know this was a problem in Brazil....please provide links...thx

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: HomerJS
Article

Let's see a 9 year old girl is raped by her step father and becomes pregnant with twins. Carrying to term would kill the girl. Mother gets her daughter an abortion. Church excommunicates the girl, the mother but not the step-father.

So where is the real evil here?????

Lets see you can`t read or comprehend....even in the artilce it says--He said the excommunication would not apply to the child because of her age, but would affect all those who ensured the abortion was carried out.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: senseamp
They are just pissed off it wasn't a 9 year old boy and they weren't doing the raping.

I didn`t know this was a problem in Brazil....please provide links...thx

It's a problem with the Catholic church. Their pederast priests like to have sex with underage boys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: HomerJS
Article

Let's see a 9 year old girl is raped by her step father and becomes pregnant with twins. Carrying to term would kill the girl. Mother gets her daughter an abortion. Church excommunicates the girl, the mother but not the step-father.

So where is the real evil here?????

They lectured him and gave him counciling. So next time he will molest a little boy instead.

 

[jonks]

Only natural during the most trying times in people's lives when they might actually need a comforting voice that the church would kick them out.

See those footprints in the sand? See how in the difficult times there's only one set? That's cuz I'm way the fuck over there and you're walking alone.

 

[WHAMPOM]

No good dead goes unpunished. Church doctrine before the life of a child, "sigh."

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: senseamp
They are just pissed off it wasn't a 9 year old boy and they weren't doing the raping.

I didn`t know this was a problem in Brazil....please provide links...thx

It's a problem with the Catholic church. Their pederast priests like to have sex with underage boys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

Why is it more predominant in the Catholic faith?
Is it because they are more whacko than people give them credit for? I mean Scientology is pretty far out there, but I don't ever recall any stories about little children be molested/raped by Ron L. Hubbard.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

The Church is sadly full of this stuff. Defend the larger ideals at the cost of compromising the small ones.

The problem is, you cannot have the larger ideals if the small ones get brushed aside.

The problem is, those "larger ideals" are anything but ideal if they inflict grievous harm on those who supposedly benefit from those "ideals" by ignoring context and reality.

This nine year old child was pregnant with twins because she was repeatedly raped by her step father, and the article states that the pregnancy threatened her life. Not terminating the pregnancy could have killed her. If she and the twins she was carrying all survived, the girl child would be saddled with the burdens of motherhood, which she could not possibly be prepared to assume, or the children would be placed in the care of unknown others. In either case, both the girl and the children would probably suffer immense psychological damage... assuming they had any means of support, at all.

The people who helped her obtain the abortion probably saved her life, and they definitely improved the potential quality of her future and the quality of the lives of any children she may bear as an adult.

Regardless of whether the child is excommunicated, punishing those who helped her is blind, blatant stupidity.

Reality >> religion.