Mother = lifelong party-line Democrat

[hellokeith]

I asked her if she would vote for Obama, and she said maybe but only if Hillary is the VP. If Hillary is not the nominee and not the VP, then she will not be voting period.

Whether or not her reasoning is valid is certainly a topic of discussion and debate, but nevertheless her intent is real and I guarantee you she is demonstrative of women Hillary supporters. So I guess what I'm saying is that it might not be a good idea for Obama/Dem's to blow off Hillary completely.. it might cost alot of votes against or more likely no-show's at the polls.

 

[yllus]

It's easy to talk like that now. She'll vote Democrat as a reflexive anti-McCain motion come the election, guaranteed, lest she end up with a Bush clone. (I'm not saying he is or isn't a Bush clone, but that's what people will be saying.)

Also, personal anecdotes of this type are pretty worthless.

 

[nageov3t]

who needs voters when you've got hope?

I think it's a little early to pay much attention to these histrionics.

 

[Harvey]

Your mom needs a couple of good shots of reality. Does she really want another four years of the Bushwhacko/McSame agenda? :roll:

 

[RKDaley]

My coworker (woman also, life long Democrat) won't vote for Barack if Hillary is on the ticket. I've tried to reason with her, but she's adamant about it.

 

[Siddhartha]

She might change her mind when she remembers that McCain and the Republican could choose two or three Supreme Court Justices.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: loki8481
who needs voters when you've got hope?

I think it's a little early to pay much attention to these histrionics.

It's never time to pay much attention to histrionics...mostly they don't cost anyone anything, so it's easy to get all hot and bothered about pretty much anything. The thing is, most people are smart enough not to cut off their nose to spite their face, which is EXACTLY what the "Obama or nothing" and "Hillary or nothing" folks would be doing if they carried through with their threat.

 

[Lemon law]

Pardon me hellokeith, I have long considered you a wee mite weird, so its no surprise to see the apple does not fall far from the tree. A certain metric of stinking thinking and bad logic being passed on to the next generation by nature or nurture does explain some of it.

But to assume your mother is the lone nut among some 150 million US female voters may strain incredulity. Many female voters are heavily invested in the basic metric that if Hillary does not win in 08, they will never see another viable female Presidential candidate in their lifetime. And that may explain some of your mother's due and overdue disappointment.

But today, Obama made a very smart political move by naming Caroline Kennedy ( Townsend ), the daughter of the late JFK, as the point person on his VP selection committee.
And Obama may well select a female VP, be it Hillary or someone else, and your mother may find contentment.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
She might change her mind when she remembers that McCain and the Republican could choose two or three Supreme Court Justices.

Yes, I am sure abortion is on top of her mind :roll:

 

[Zebo]

My mom is voting McCain as well even though she sent Hillary money and supported her. Shes also a life long Democrat.

I'm not sure if this is an emotional response and they will 'come around' but I hope it isn't. Women are strange so I'm hesitant to predict/guess.

PS I mean Strange as in different, not bad or good or anything just different.

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
She might change her mind when she remembers that McCain and the Republican could choose two or three Supreme Court Justices.

Yes, I am sure abortion is on top of her mind :roll:

Ouch!

 

[Thump553]

Lemon Law:

Interesting point about a different woman as VP, but realistically I would rate the chances of this at 5% or less. The reasons:

(1) First and foremost, selecting another female as VP would be (rightfully, I believe) be interpreted by both Hillary and her supporters as a gross personal insult directed at Hillary-thus insuring no support from her and driving away her fan base,

(2) There really are no other females with enough stature, experience, etc., except perhaps Nancy Pelosi. Talk about a yuppie/latte ticket if he picked her-would totally eliminate any effort to get the blue collar vote.

As far as hellokeith's mom, I've said it before and will say it again-remember back two months or so when McCain became the presumptive nominee and all the Fox News pundits, Rush, etc. went into revolt? More than one claimed they were going to work for Hillary. Didn't happen and probably won't happen with your mom. Let her cool down for now, then this fall remind her of the important issues-US engaging in invasive wars, Supreme Court packing, tax code restructuring to help the rich, etc., right of privacy, health care, having someone lead who understands SOMETHING about the economy, etc. Odds are great she will come around.

 

[Harvey]

It'll be interesting to see what those moms who are having hissy fits, now, do when Hillary officially endorses Obama on Friday.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Zebo
My mom is voting McCain as well even though she sent Hillary money and supported her. Shes also a life long Democrat.

I'm not sure if this is an emotional response and they will 'come around' but I hope it isn't. Women are strange so I'm hesitant to predict/guess.

PS I mean Strange as in different, not bad or good or anything just different.

It's an emotional response. For all the first woman president, first AA president hype, neither of them are either. Hillary was never running truly on her own, but as a return to her husband's presidency and under his political brand name and machine. When we do elect a woman President, I hope it will be someone who made it by her own merit, and not her husband's. It was for this reason that many feminists were opposed to Hillary.
In the meantime, Barack Obama is no more genetically AA than I am (and I'm lily white). He does prove, however, that a brown-skinned man of partial African heritage in America does have to turn to the AA community in order to succeed in American politics. Even though none of his ancestors were slaves in the American South, he still gets treated as such in our culture purely because of the color of his skin.


edit: and considering the OP, I call BS on the thread.

 

[b2386]

Several of my friends, both men and women, who were Hillary supporters, have recently said that they will vote for McCain over Obama. Drives me nuts!

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Zebo
My mom is voting McCain as well even though she sent Hillary money and supported her. Shes also a life long Democrat.

I'm not sure if this is an emotional response and they will 'come around' but I hope it isn't. Women are strange so I'm hesitant to predict/guess.

PS I mean Strange as in different, not bad or good or anything just different.

It's an emotional response. For all the first woman president, first AA president hype, neither of them are either. Hillary was never running truly on her own, but as a return to her husband's presidency and under his political brand name and machine. When we do elect a woman President, I hope it will be someone who made it by her own merit, and not her husband's. It was for this reason that many feminists were opposed to Hillary.
In the meantime, Barack Obama is no more genetically AA than I am (and I'm lily white). He does prove, however, that a brown-skinned man of partial African heritage in America does have to turn to the AA community in order to succeed in American politics. Even though none of his ancestors were slaves in the American South, he still gets treated as such in our culture purely because of the color of his skin.


edit: and considering the OP, I call BS on the thread.

I don't buy that he had to turn to the black community for success any more than I buy the Steele's, Thomas, Sowell etc had to be 'uncle toms' to succeed as republicans. It's philosophy that puts him that Democratic box and personality that makes him successful anywhere. His politics/philosophies co-inside with the black views is the reason he is successful with them. If he changed ala Ronald Reagan he would be just as successful as a republican.




What bugs me about Obama is he sounds just like Malik Zulu Shabazz in cadence WTF is that from a Harvard educated African/white man?

 

[LegendKiller]

When it comes down to it Hillary is far different from McCain and anybody who allies themselves with her will have a very difficult time voting for somebody drastically different (180 degrees) than somebody only 20 degrees off bearing. I would find it far more likely that an Obama voter who was jilted would end up voting for McCain.

People are passionate at this point, when it comes to checking the box in the polling booth, they'll remember that McCain is nothing more than GWB 2.0.

 

[theeedude]

Obama supporters will continue making assumptions about Clinton voters up until the election, by which time it will be too late to appeal to them.

 

[preslove]

(2) There really are no other females with enough stature, experience, etc., except perhaps Nancy Pelosi. Talk about a yuppie/latte ticket if he picked her-would totally eliminate any effort to get the blue collar vote.

[/quote]

Ahem. There are MANY women more accomplished than the monster from New York.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Obama supporters will continue making assumptions about Clinton voters up until the election, by which time it will be too late to appeal to them.

CNN just reported that Clinton will concede officially on Saturday, and begin her task of "appealing" to them for Obama.

Mission accomplished.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

For some women, having a woman in the White House is more important than whether the president is good or whether a Democrat or Republican gets into the White House. Many women wrongly feel that women have had the short end of the stick in our society and hold men in contempt, and they desperately want to see a woman in the White House. You have to wonder whether Obama is thus in danger of getting assassinated by a radical feminist.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Obama supporters will continue making assumptions about Clinton voters up until the election, by which time it will be too late to appeal to them.

What issues are so unique to Clinton supporters that Obama doesn't already have them covered in his platform?

The only thing worth appealing to is common sense and rational judgement, which some Clinton supporters are apparently lacking...short of her miraculously gaining the nomination, they will remain bitter to the end...but I don't think there are enough of them to impact the election...most will come to their senses once the realities of a McCain Presidency hits them.

The abortion comment is legitimate, because Democrat women tend to be pro-choice, and a McCain Presidency would arguably introduce the risk of SC appointees who would overturn or otherwise limit Roe vs. Wade.

 

[StageLeft]

Oh well, so McCane wins and the US gets into more wars and more debt. Thanks, mom

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: b2386
Several of my friends, both men and women, who were Hillary supporters, have recently said that they will vote for McCain over Obama. Drives me nuts!

Yep, scorched Earth policy

Like I said McCain doesn't even have to campaign, he has the electoral count already locked up.

 

[trenchfoot]

well, let's see here....seeing as if hillary was the first one, YES, the FIRST ONE to start slinging mud between the two, and seeing as if she kept it up throughout the remainder of the primaries, thus forcing obama to respond in kind, and seeing as if she cast the spell of denial, spitefullness, pettiness and divisiveness over her supporters, i would think her supporters should be taking it all out on her and not obama, as obama waged a smart defensive battle of counterpunching hillary's and mccain's cheap shots almost to the very end of the process.

why should they focus their ire at obama when it was hillary's failure to represent the party and her supporters with the diginity and respect some of them are now demanding from the rest of the party?

the whole timbre of the dem primary can be laid at hillary's feet. she kept changing her style of attacks, progressively getting meaner and dirtier the more she fell behind obama.

all obama was doing was staying with his program and taking side trips to the gutter to duke it out with hillary and mccain as that was her and mccain's choice of playing field.

yet, somehow it's all obama's fault. he ran a smart campaing and hillary didn't.

so if there's any one person that the hillary supporters are supposed to mad at, it's hillary herself.

*edit* - well, hillary and bill.