Mother found guilty of helping son commit suicide.

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Mtl. mom pleads guilty to assisting son's suicide

Updated Mon. Jan. 23 2006 2:50 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

A Montreal woman has pleaded guilty to helping her playwright son, who was suffering from multiple sclerosis, kill himself.

Retired nursing assistant Marielle Houle, 59, wept as she entered her guilty plea Monday. She faces a sentence of up to 14 years in prison.

She was asked several times by the judge whether she understood the crime of assisting suicide.

Houle was charged with helping her 36-year-old son, Charles Fariala, kill himself on Sept.25, 2004 with a lethal mixture of drugs and asphyxiation in a meticulously-planned suicide.

Fariala, who was a playwright and hospital orderly, was found dead at his home after his mother called 911.

Police said when they arrived, Houle was in a state of shock and needed to be carried from the home in a stretcher.

Houle was by Fariala's side when he died and said she was acting out of compassion for her son.

She was charged a few days later with aiding and abetting suicide.

Houle had been free on bail since being charged.

Fariala was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 2002.

Within two years, the degenerative disease began to affect his mobility and Fariala told those close to him that he wanted to die with dignity.

The MS Society of Canada says MS is not a fatal illness and that most patients can expect to live a normal or near-normal life span.

In 1997 Saskatchewan farmer Robert Latimer was convicted of killing his 12-year-old daughter Tracy, who had a severe form of cerebral palsy. Latimer said he killed her to spare her pain from an upcoming surgery.

In the U.S., Oregon is the only state that allows assisted suicide. Its law covers only extremely sick people though -- those with incurable diseases and who are of sound mind, and after at least two doctors agree they have six months or less to live.

Recently, The Supreme Court upheld Oregon's physician-assisted suicide law. Justices, on a 6-3 vote, said that a federal drug law does not override the 1997 Oregon law used to end the lives of more than 200 seriously ill people.

It is time for these ancient laws to be changed, and put in place a system where people can end there life if they so choose. The son was obviously of sound mind, and knew the consequences, and wishes to die with his mother at his side after a disease such as MS ravaged him. Some people are stronger than others and can live with a disease, some are not, it is time the state allowed people to choose what they do with there body.
 

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Legalized euthanasia can lead to a slippery slope of legal questions - did the person REALLY want to die or was he/she murdered? etc. Not only that, but a person can always change their mind about suicide down the line with proper therapy despite whatever debilitating disease they may have. The answer isn't euthanasia but rather a better way of treating suffering individuals.
 

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Legalized euthanasia can lead to a slippery slope of legal questions - did the person REALLY want to die or was he/she murdered? etc. Not only that, but a person can always change their mind about suicide down the line with proper therapy despite whatever debilitating disease they may have. The answer isn't euthanasia but rather a better way of treating suffering individuals.
That's easily addressed - require 2 in-person interviews (with witnesses) with the person, with 1 month between them, and several mandatory therapy sessions in-between.
 

sandorski

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I agree the laws need to be changed, but there must be a clear desire and reasonable explanation from the person wanting to die.
 

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Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Legalized euthanasia can lead to a slippery slope of legal questions - did the person REALLY want to die or was he/she murdered? etc. Not only that, but a person can always change their mind about suicide down the line with proper therapy despite whatever debilitating disease they may have. The answer isn't euthanasia but rather a better way of treating suffering individuals.
That's easily addressed - require 2 in-person interviews (with witnesses) with the person, with 1 month between them, and several mandatory therapy sessions in-between.


A few month interview sessions with a shrink won't neccessarily yield a persons long-term state of mind. They could change their mind about suicide a few years later when better treatments are available - this has been the case many times with people that were intent on committing suicide. I am firmly against euthanasia.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Legalized euthanasia can lead to a slippery slope of legal questions - did the person REALLY want to die or was he/she murdered? etc. Not only that, but a person can always change their mind about suicide down the line with proper therapy despite whatever debilitating disease they may have. The answer isn't euthanasia but rather a better way of treating suffering individuals.
That's easily addressed - require 2 in-person interviews (with witnesses) with the person, with 1 month between them, and several mandatory therapy sessions in-between.

Who's going to pay for all this?
 

CSMR

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A person who wants to die is still a life which should be protected. A person does not give himself value.
 

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Legalized euthanasia can lead to a slippery slope of legal questions - did the person REALLY want to die or was he/she murdered? etc. Not only that, but a person can always change their mind about suicide down the line with proper therapy despite whatever debilitating disease they may have. The answer isn't euthanasia but rather a better way of treating suffering individuals.
That's easily addressed - require 2 in-person interviews (with witnesses) with the person, with 1 month between them, and several mandatory therapy sessions in-between.

Who's going to pay for all this?

What? Are you expecting a "mad" rush of euthansaia canidates that's going to break the budget?? Heck, most of them are probably already on SSI, it would save you money. Just take them to the soylent green center.
 

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Legalized euthanasia can lead to a slippery slope of legal questions - did the person REALLY want to die or was he/she murdered? etc. Not only that, but a person can always change their mind about suicide down the line with proper therapy despite whatever debilitating disease they may have. The answer isn't euthanasia but rather a better way of treating suffering individuals.
That's easily addressed - require 2 in-person interviews (with witnesses) with the person, with 1 month between them, and several mandatory therapy sessions in-between.

Who's going to pay for all this?

Insurance companies, or the people themselves, just like other medical procedures. This is better then using a gun, or using suicide by cop.

I've never understood why there are laws preventing suicide. Life isn't for everyone, especially if you are diagnosed with a terminal illness or a severely degenterative disease. Might as well let them check out when they want instead of having to hang around and be miserable for the rest of their life, as short as it may be.


 

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Legalized euthanasia can lead to a slippery slope of legal questions - did the person REALLY want to die or was he/she murdered? etc. Not only that, but a person can always change their mind about suicide down the line with proper therapy despite whatever debilitating disease they may have. The answer isn't euthanasia but rather a better way of treating suffering individuals.
That's easily addressed - require 2 in-person interviews (with witnesses) with the person, with 1 month between them, and several mandatory therapy sessions in-between.


A few month interview sessions with a shrink won't neccessarily yield a persons long-term state of mind. They could change their mind about suicide a few years later when better treatments are available - this has been the case many times with people that were intent on committing suicide. I am firmly against euthanasia.
And what if you're already going to die(e.g. the Oregon DWD law)?
 

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Originally posted by: CSMR
A person who wants to die is still a life which should be protected. A person does not give himself value.

That is one of the most ignorant things I have read, no one chooses what you do with your body save you. If you want to die, don't let the door hit you on the way out, it is a choice everyone can make.
 

CSMR

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On the contrary people have been prevented from committing suicide. If suicide were a matter of holding your breath it would be different. But the physical and psychological difficulties mean a person can be prevented by persuasion of physically. In fact a friend of our family tried to commit suicide and it would have succeeded if the she had not been taken to hospital after the event. She was prevented. So who turns out to be ignorant?
 

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Originally posted by: CSMR
On the contrary people have been prevented from committing suicide. If suicide were a matter of holding your breath it would be different. But the physical and psychological difficulties mean a person can be prevented by persuasion of physically. In fact a friend of our family tried to commit suicide and it would have succeeded if the she had not been taken to hospital after the event. She was prevented. So who turns out to be ignorant?

People who truly want to commit sucide follow through, everyone else is a cry for help. It doesn't matter though, people should be free to do what they wish with there bodies.
 

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There must not be any women in this forum. No on has brought up the mother factor.

What kind of sick mother would agree to kill her teenage son? Most mothers I know would wrestle a grizzly bear to protect thier children. Ever seen a mother when her child has gone missing? I'd rather be in a zoo when the Lion escapes.

Sounds like the mother should have been the one in therapy.
 

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Originally posted by: RichardE
People who truly want to commit sucide follow through, everyone else is a cry for help. It doesn't matter though, people should be free to do what they wish with there bodies.
One could say that about wants by and large (not in all cases), but regarding crying for help, what if any attempt at suicide "want or no want" is a cry for help?
Suicide shows a person's feeling that his life has no value, whereas if we believe in the possibility of good in life, and don't exempt anyone from this possibility, then the suicidal person shows that he needs to be helped.
 

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Originally posted by: Train
There must not be any women in this forum. No on has brought up the mother factor.

What kind of sick mother would agree to kill her teenage son? Most mothers I know would wrestle a grizzly bear to protect thier children. Ever seen a mother when her child has gone missing? I'd rather be in a zoo when the Lion escapes.

Sounds like the mother should have been the one in therapy.
Teenage son? Her "kid" was a 30-something for pete's sake.
 

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Originally posted by: Train
There must not be any women in this forum. No on has brought up the mother factor.

What kind of sick mother would agree to kill her teenage son? Most mothers I know would wrestle a grizzly bear to protect thier children. Ever seen a mother when her child has gone missing? I'd rather be in a zoo when the Lion escapes.

Sounds like the mother should have been the one in therapy.



A person of 36 is a teenager? That's news to me.
 

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Originally posted by: Train
There must not be any women in this forum. No on has brought up the mother factor.

What kind of sick mother would agree to kill her teenage son? Most mothers I know would wrestle a grizzly bear to protect thier children. Ever seen a mother when her child has gone missing? I'd rather be in a zoo when the Lion escapes.

Sounds like the mother should have been the one in therapy.

The others corrected you on age already, but I suspect the mother did it out of love for her suffering son.
 

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Charge her under Canadian law, and sentence her to time served. You know that had to be tough for her to follow her sons wish.
 

Uhtrinity

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Originally posted by: lolgloin
Suicide is wrong, and no one's life is bad enough that it needs to end.


Guess you've never had a family member die of a terminal disease, let alone a totally debilitating one.
 

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Legalized euthanasia can lead to a slippery slope of legal questions - did the person REALLY want to die or was he/she murdered? etc. Not only that, but a person can always change their mind about suicide down the line with proper therapy despite whatever debilitating disease they may have. The answer isn't euthanasia but rather a better way of treating suffering individuals.
That's easily addressed - require 2 in-person interviews (with witnesses) with the person, with 1 month between them, and several mandatory therapy sessions in-between.

Who's going to pay for all this?
If you ever get the thought I'll cover your tab in a second.
 

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Originally posted by: lolgloin
Suicide is wrong, and no one's life is bad enough that it needs to end.

Spoken like a true child with zero life experience outside of a suburb.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Legalized euthanasia can lead to a slippery slope of legal questions - did the person REALLY want to die or was he/she murdered? etc. Not only that, but a person can always change their mind about suicide down the line with proper therapy despite whatever debilitating disease they may have. The answer isn't euthanasia but rather a better way of treating suffering individuals.
That's easily addressed - require 2 in-person interviews (with witnesses) with the person, with 1 month between them, and several mandatory therapy sessions in-between.

Who's going to pay for all this?

What? Are you expecting a "mad" rush of euthansaia canidates that's going to break the budget?? Heck, most of them are probably already on SSI, it would save you money. Just take them to the soylent green center.

The idea of this measure is to cut the budget, not to shift it from 1 hand to another.