Mother calls 911, asks if she can shoot an intruder

[mooncancook]

In the video she has a large German shepherd. I wonder if the dog was with her at the time because a German shepherd does not stay silent and welcome an intruder.

 

[OutHouse]

Wait . . . she's 18 and her late husband was 58?

i was wondering why they showed a picture of a dude from the 1970s with a perm.

 

[HAL9000]

If you jump through enough hoops to be able to posess a gun in the first place...and I'd bet they'd find someway to lock you up for it anyway

You mean if you send off for a firearms license and pay the £35? Those hoops?

how!? we're not allowed guns ffs!

Google firearm certificate.

our country is retarded with self defence. someone i know smacked a burglar over the head and called his friends for help driving him away and dumping him miles away.

less risk that way than hoping you don't get charged for defending your home against some scum

OK.

Aren't you the guy that complained about some lady shooting an intruder that attempted to rape her?

That I am, this woman was protecting a 3 month old child and the guy was holding a knife, that being said she should have waited slightly longer IMO, but still good for her.

 

[HAL9000]

With a deactivated hand-gun?

No. Deactivated means that the gun has been modified in such a way that it is no longer able to chamber and fire a live round, there are assorted ways this is accomplished, like putting a pin in the barrel, filing down the firing pin etc.

With what gun?

Shotgun... Or a rifle or an AK47 you know, whatever your firearm certificate allows you to own, this woman used a shotgun so I'll go with that.

 

[corwin]

You mean if you send off for a firearms license and pay the £35? Those hoops?

Haha...that easy huh?

An application for an FAC can be obtained from any police station. For an application to be successful applicants must demonstrate to the police that they have satisfactory security in place. They must also demonstrate that they have "good reason to possess" firearms and must produce such "good reason" for each individual firearm applied for. Unlike the SGC an FAC only gives authority for specific individual rifles or pistols, and the applicant must justify possession of each one separately. Applicants must nominate two referees to support their application

Sounds just like you said

Somehow I doubt the justification can be because "some dipshit nutjob is going to break into my house in the future and threaten me and my child"...which is what happened to her.

 

[HAL9000]

Haha...that easy huh?



Sounds just like you said

Yep, you have to put a good reason to own one on the application form. Also write down to references.

So....

Is that the worlds most complicated process to an American?

 

[HAL9000]

Somehow I doubt the justification can be because "some dipshit nutjob is going to break into my house in the future and threaten me and my child"...which is what happened to her.

Obviously not, that's not a good enough reason.

 

[Saint Nick]

Yep, you have to put a good reason to own one on the application form. Also write down to references.

So....

Is that the worlds most complicated process to an American?

Hey now...don't lump us all in one bucket!! :biggrin:

 

[HAL9000]

Hey now...don't lump us all in one bucket!! :biggrin:

You're right, my apologies.

 

[corwin]

Obviously not, that's not a good enough reason.

There in lies the problem...and the complication...she would have been screwed had she lived there without a "good enough reason" ahead of time. Fuck the UK

 

[HAL9000]

There in lies the problem...and the complication...she would have been screwed had she lived there without a "good enough reason" ahead of time.

In the grand scheme of things, I'm OK with that, people shouldn't be allowed to own guns for shits and giggles.

Fuck the UK

Unnecessarily rude, how is it hurting you?

 

[corwin]

Unnecessarily rude, how is it hurting you?

It isn't, but had this situation happened there it's seriously screwed up how it would have played out, how's what I said hurting you?

In the grand scheme of things, I'm OK with that, people shouldn't be allowed to own guns for shits and giggles.

Unless there's a good reason why they shouldn't then yes they should

 

[Jeffg010]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine
I love my state!

"Pennsylvania

On Tuesday, June 28, 2011, Pennsylvania (PA) Governor Tom Corbitt (R) signed a bill extending that state's traditional castle doctrine protections to assaults outside the home. The new legislation passed both houses with overwhelming support and expands the state’s castle doctrine and stand-your-ground protections to allow the right to use a gun or other deadly force in self-defense in situations outside a person’s home or business.[25] It applies when "deadly force is immediately necessary to protect [...] against death, serious bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual intercourse compelled by force or threat".[26]

It explicitly denies a duty to retreat and provides legislative protection from civil actions resulting from the use of deadly force in acts of self-defense. The PA General Assembly found that:

(1) It is proper for law-abiding people to protect themselves, their families and others from intruders and attackers without fear of prosecution or civil action for acting in defense of themselves and others.

(2) The Castle Doctrine is a common law doctrine of ancient origins which declares that a home is a person's castle.

(3) Section 21 of Article I of the Constitution of Pennsylvania guarantees that the "right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned."

(4) Persons residing in or visiting this Commonwealth have a right to expect to remain unmolested within their homes or vehicles.

(5) No person should be required to surrender his or her personal safety to a criminal, nor should a person be required to needlessly retreat in the face of intrusion or
attack outside the person's home or vehicle.[26]

While the findings specifically mention a defendant's home or vehicle, the amendments to state code enumerated by this legislation extend to any place that a person has a legal right to be, with a few notable exceptions (such as inside a prison)."

 

[HAL9000]

It isn't, but had this situation happened there it's seriously screwed up how it would have played out, how's what I said hurting you?

I never said it was hurting me, I said it was unnecessarily rude.

Unless there's a good reason why they shouldn't then yes they should

There is a good reason, we've banned guns in the UK as they are weapons designed exclusively to kill, except in rare situations where gun ownership is warranted.

 

[Jeffg010]

There is a good reason, we've banned guns in the UK as they are weapons designed exclusively to kill, except in rare situations where gun ownership is warranted.

I got to ask is hunting allowed in the UK? What you are saying here is that most people would not have a gun? Which also means that the criminals would know this too and would be more likely to cause crime and stupid shit like what the squatters did when stealing that guy's house in the UK.

Sound like the UK has it all wrong.

 

[HAL9000]

I got to ask is hunting allowed in the UK?

It is, depending on what you are hunting and how you are doing it.

What you are saying here is that most people would not have a gun?

I am.

Which also means that the criminals would know this too and would be more likely to cause crime and stupid shit

Nope, I don't think it does mean that, if the police are doing their jobs then people owning guns is neither here nor there, in the UK the subjects don't have guns, so the criminals don't have guns so the police don't have guns. In the US Citizens have guns, the criminals have guns and the police have guns, it's exactly the same just stepped up a notch.

like what the squatters did when stealing that guy's house in the UK.

That's not a crime.

Sound like the UK has it all wrong.

I disagree, the UK has more right than it does wrong, it's not perfect. But it works.

 

[gmaster456]

I never said it was hurting me, I said it was unnecessarily rude.



There is a good reason, we've banned guns in the UK as they are weapons designed exclusively to kill, except in rare situations where gun ownership is warranted.

Its not up to a group of people to decide whats a valid reason, and what isn't.

 

[corwin]

There is a good reason, we've banned guns in the UK as they are weapons designed exclusively to kill, except in rare situations where gun ownership is warranted.

"Rare" situations happen all the time with little to no warning, such as this one...ownership is always warranted unless there's a good reason not to, because your government fears you is not a good reason not to

I never said it was hurting me, I said it was unnecessarily rude.

And the comment was about the country and laws, not the people

 

[HAL9000]

Its not up to a group of people to decide whats a valid reason, and what isn't.

Yes it is, it's called democracy.

"Rare" situations happen all the time with little to no warning, such as this one...ownership is always warranted unless there's a good reason not to, because your government fears you is not a good reason not to

40 people were killed with a gun in the UK last year, that's rare enough that I don't need to worry about it and to show that banning guns is clearly working. Keeping it that way is the reason not to.

And the comment was about the country and laws, not the people

Ah.

 

[corwin]

40 people were killed with a gun in the UK last year, that's rare enough that I don't need to worry about it and to show that banning guns is clearly working. Keeping it that way is the reason not to.

Those 40 people might disagree...and if guns are banned how did those criminals get guns? And why didn't the police protect them, were they not doing their job?

 

[dabuddha]

Ok let's not feed the troll (Hal) and stay on topic here. We know his retarded take on gun control already plus this gem

That I am, this woman was protecting a 3 month old child and the guy was holding a knife, that being said she should have waited slightly longer IMO, but still good for her.

shows how delusional he is.

 

[corwin]

Ok let's not feed the troll (Hal) and stay on topic here. We know his retarded take on gun control already plus this gem

shows how delusional he is.

True...21 minutes on the phone as he broke down the door that was blocked with a couch and she should have waited longer? I'm giving up on stupid, it can't be fixed:'(

Before you get your panties in a bunch the "stupid" is your mindset, not you as a person

 

[HAL9000]

Those 40 people might disagree...and if guns are banned how did those criminals get guns?

15% of them were legally owned guns, I'm not sure where the other 34 guns in the UK came from, I'm fine with there being 34 illegal guns in the UK.

And why didn't the police protect them, were they not doing their job?

They can't be everywhere at once dude.

Ok let's not feed the troll (Hal) and stay on topic here. We know his retarded take on gun control already plus this gem

shows how delusional he is.

I wasn't referring to waiting for the police. Also what delusion are you talking about?

 

[CPA]

Good for her.

Yes and no. Yes, that she killed the guy, no that she felt she needed to ask for permission.

 

[eits]

i'd have blasted him too