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Osama Bin Laden who will always make "surprise" appearance before election days, and set america on CODE RED!!!!

Originally posted by: thehstrybean
Originally posted by: NL5
Originally posted by: dbuttcheek69
Originally posted by: TallBill
I'm still waiting for a link to a book or reference or something that says that jesus exists.
give me a link that PROVES that Goerge Washington existed. did you actually see him? do you know anybody that actually has seen him? how can you PROVE it then? You probably read it in books right?
well I would count the bible as a book.
Wow! Are you really that...well, nevermind. Anyway, Geoarge Washington existed. Not only do we have his body, his house, his writings, but COUNTLESS references to him in independent works. Not so for Jesus. NOTHING was written about him at the time he was supposed to be alive - NOTHING (and this was during the Roman era - the Romans kept EXCELLENT records BTW). We have no body, no home, NOT ONE THING WRITTEN by him. NOTHING. The only eveidence is a book wriiten somewhere between fifty and a hundred years AFTYER his supposed death.
Actually, if I remember correctly, the Romans do have record of Jesus...If I can find the book, I'll quote it for ya...
EDIT: Sweet...I found the website, my copy of "Antiquities" is still in my locker...Josephus references Jesus in Antiquities 18:63-64 "Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man IF IT BE LAWFUL TO CALL HIM A MAN, for he was a doer of wonders, A TEACHER OF SUCH MEN AS RECEIVE THE TRUTH WITH PLEASURE. He drew many after him BOTH OF THE JEWS AND THE GENTILES. HE WAS THE CHRIST. When Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, FOR HE APPEARED TO THEM ALIVE AGAIN THE THIRD DAY, AS THE DIVINE PROPHETS HAD FORETOLD THESE AND THEN THOUSAND OTHER WONDERFUL THINGS ABOUT HIM, and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day"
Tactius also mentions Jesus a lot in his writings...
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Hmmm... my vote goes with science/medicine
where would we be without vacines ?
where would we be without antibotics ?
where would we be without the basic knowledge that led to surgeons washing their hands ?
Originally posted by: NL5
Originally posted by: thehstrybean
Originally posted by: NL5
Originally posted by: dbuttcheek69
Originally posted by: TallBill
I'm still waiting for a link to a book or reference or something that says that jesus exists.
give me a link that PROVES that Goerge Washington existed. did you actually see him? do you know anybody that actually has seen him? how can you PROVE it then? You probably read it in books right?
well I would count the bible as a book.
Wow! Are you really that...well, nevermind. Anyway, Geoarge Washington existed. Not only do we have his body, his house, his writings, but COUNTLESS references to him in independent works. Not so for Jesus. NOTHING was written about him at the time he was supposed to be alive - NOTHING (and this was during the Roman era - the Romans kept EXCELLENT records BTW). We have no body, no home, NOT ONE THING WRITTEN by him. NOTHING. The only eveidence is a book wriiten somewhere between fifty and a hundred years AFTYER his supposed death.
Actually, if I remember correctly, the Romans do have record of Jesus...If I can find the book, I'll quote it for ya...
EDIT: Sweet...I found the website, my copy of "Antiquities" is still in my locker...Josephus references Jesus in Antiquities 18:63-64 "Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man IF IT BE LAWFUL TO CALL HIM A MAN, for he was a doer of wonders, A TEACHER OF SUCH MEN AS RECEIVE THE TRUTH WITH PLEASURE. He drew many after him BOTH OF THE JEWS AND THE GENTILES. HE WAS THE CHRIST. When Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, FOR HE APPEARED TO THEM ALIVE AGAIN THE THIRD DAY, AS THE DIVINE PROPHETS HAD FORETOLD THESE AND THEN THOUSAND OTHER WONDERFUL THINGS ABOUT HIM, and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day"
Tactius also mentions Jesus a lot in his writings...
Sorry, but that was written almost 100 years AFTER Jesus's supposed death, by a man that wasn't alive at the time of Jesus's supposed life. There is no mention of Jesus by anyone that was alive at the time he was supposed to be alive. There is no record by the Romans of his Crucifiction (the kept very good records). Odd........
Originally posted by: sparkyclarky
Originally posted by: NL5
Originally posted by: thehstrybean
Originally posted by: NL5
Originally posted by: dbuttcheek69
Originally posted by: TallBill
I'm still waiting for a link to a book or reference or something that says that jesus exists.
give me a link that PROVES that Goerge Washington existed. did you actually see him? do you know anybody that actually has seen him? how can you PROVE it then? You probably read it in books right?
well I would count the bible as a book.
Wow! Are you really that...well, nevermind. Anyway, Geoarge Washington existed. Not only do we have his body, his house, his writings, but COUNTLESS references to him in independent works. Not so for Jesus. NOTHING was written about him at the time he was supposed to be alive - NOTHING (and this was during the Roman era - the Romans kept EXCELLENT records BTW). We have no body, no home, NOT ONE THING WRITTEN by him. NOTHING. The only eveidence is a book wriiten somewhere between fifty and a hundred years AFTYER his supposed death.
Actually, if I remember correctly, the Romans do have record of Jesus...If I can find the book, I'll quote it for ya...
EDIT: Sweet...I found the website, my copy of "Antiquities" is still in my locker...Josephus references Jesus in Antiquities 18:63-64 "Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man IF IT BE LAWFUL TO CALL HIM A MAN, for he was a doer of wonders, A TEACHER OF SUCH MEN AS RECEIVE THE TRUTH WITH PLEASURE. He drew many after him BOTH OF THE JEWS AND THE GENTILES. HE WAS THE CHRIST. When Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, FOR HE APPEARED TO THEM ALIVE AGAIN THE THIRD DAY, AS THE DIVINE PROPHETS HAD FORETOLD THESE AND THEN THOUSAND OTHER WONDERFUL THINGS ABOUT HIM, and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day"
Tactius also mentions Jesus a lot in his writings...
Sorry, but that was written almost 100 years AFTER Jesus's supposed death, by a man that wasn't alive at the time of Jesus's supposed life. There is no mention of Jesus by anyone that was alive at the time he was supposed to be alive. There is no record by the Romans of his Crucifiction (the kept very good records). Odd........
I've adressed this point above. Tacitus lumps Christ in the same sentence as Tiberius and Pontius Pilatus, while mentioning a specific region. He clearly feels that he was a historical fact, and gives absolutely no indication to show that he believes he was a non-existent being. The Romans kept decent records, but if you know anything about antiquity at all, you should obviously realize that the vast majority of written information has been lost. Hell, if we were to dismiss historical figures on the basis that nobody wrote about them at the exact time they were alive, our number of key figures would be reduced significantly. Given the state of most evidence in antiquity, the evidence for Christ having existed really isn't all that bad. It's actually quite strong given that he lived in some podunk province towards the edge of the empire.
So, in summary, can we stop with this claim that Christ didn't exist? I've given a fair amount of proof that he did. Mind you, I'm only proving his existence as a human being. All of the other deeds of Christ can be debated ad nauseum, but they seem to lack any sort of strong evidence (outside of religious texts of course).
Originally posted by: NL5
Originally posted by: sparkyclarky
Originally posted by: NL5
Originally posted by: thehstrybean
Originally posted by: NL5
Originally posted by: dbuttcheek69
Originally posted by: TallBill
I'm still waiting for a link to a book or reference or something that says that jesus exists.
give me a link that PROVES that Goerge Washington existed. did you actually see him? do you know anybody that actually has seen him? how can you PROVE it then? You probably read it in books right?
well I would count the bible as a book.
Wow! Are you really that...well, nevermind. Anyway, Geoarge Washington existed. Not only do we have his body, his house, his writings, but COUNTLESS references to him in independent works. Not so for Jesus. NOTHING was written about him at the time he was supposed to be alive - NOTHING (and this was during the Roman era - the Romans kept EXCELLENT records BTW). We have no body, no home, NOT ONE THING WRITTEN by him. NOTHING. The only eveidence is a book wriiten somewhere between fifty and a hundred years AFTYER his supposed death.
Actually, if I remember correctly, the Romans do have record of Jesus...If I can find the book, I'll quote it for ya...
EDIT: Sweet...I found the website, my copy of "Antiquities" is still in my locker...Josephus references Jesus in Antiquities 18:63-64 "Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man IF IT BE LAWFUL TO CALL HIM A MAN, for he was a doer of wonders, A TEACHER OF SUCH MEN AS RECEIVE THE TRUTH WITH PLEASURE. He drew many after him BOTH OF THE JEWS AND THE GENTILES. HE WAS THE CHRIST. When Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, FOR HE APPEARED TO THEM ALIVE AGAIN THE THIRD DAY, AS THE DIVINE PROPHETS HAD FORETOLD THESE AND THEN THOUSAND OTHER WONDERFUL THINGS ABOUT HIM, and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day"
Tactius also mentions Jesus a lot in his writings...
Sorry, but that was written almost 100 years AFTER Jesus's supposed death, by a man that wasn't alive at the time of Jesus's supposed life. There is no mention of Jesus by anyone that was alive at the time he was supposed to be alive. There is no record by the Romans of his Crucifiction (the kept very good records). Odd........
I've adressed this point above. Tacitus lumps Christ in the same sentence as Tiberius and Pontius Pilatus, while mentioning a specific region. He clearly feels that he was a historical fact, and gives absolutely no indication to show that he believes he was a non-existent being. The Romans kept decent records, but if you know anything about antiquity at all, you should obviously realize that the vast majority of written information has been lost. Hell, if we were to dismiss historical figures on the basis that nobody wrote about them at the exact time they were alive, our number of key figures would be reduced significantly. Given the state of most evidence in antiquity, the evidence for Christ having existed really isn't all that bad. It's actually quite strong given that he lived in some podunk province towards the edge of the empire.
So, in summary, can we stop with this claim that Christ didn't exist? I've given a fair amount of proof that he did. Mind you, I'm only proving his existence as a human being. All of the other deeds of Christ can be debated ad nauseum, but they seem to lack any sort of strong evidence (outside of religious texts of course).
Actually, pretty much EVERY major historical figure was written about by historians/record keepers that were alive at the time they were alive. Also, there are artifacts from pretty much EVERY major historical figure that I can think of save one......
There is absolutely no way to prove someone/something never existed. There is however no proof of his exsistence either......
I am done now....![]()
Originally posted by: NL5
Originally posted by: thehstrybean
Originally posted by: NL5
Originally posted by: dbuttcheek69
Originally posted by: TallBill
I'm still waiting for a link to a book or reference or something that says that jesus exists.
give me a link that PROVES that Goerge Washington existed. did you actually see him? do you know anybody that actually has seen him? how can you PROVE it then? You probably read it in books right?
well I would count the bible as a book.
Wow! Are you really that...well, nevermind. Anyway, Geoarge Washington existed. Not only do we have his body, his house, his writings, but COUNTLESS references to him in independent works. Not so for Jesus. NOTHING was written about him at the time he was supposed to be alive - NOTHING (and this was during the Roman era - the Romans kept EXCELLENT records BTW). We have no body, no home, NOT ONE THING WRITTEN by him. NOTHING. The only eveidence is a book wriiten somewhere between fifty and a hundred years AFTYER his supposed death.
Actually, if I remember correctly, the Romans do have record of Jesus...If I can find the book, I'll quote it for ya...
EDIT: Sweet...I found the website, my copy of "Antiquities" is still in my locker...Josephus references Jesus in Antiquities 18:63-64 "Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man IF IT BE LAWFUL TO CALL HIM A MAN, for he was a doer of wonders, A TEACHER OF SUCH MEN AS RECEIVE THE TRUTH WITH PLEASURE. He drew many after him BOTH OF THE JEWS AND THE GENTILES. HE WAS THE CHRIST. When Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, FOR HE APPEARED TO THEM ALIVE AGAIN THE THIRD DAY, AS THE DIVINE PROPHETS HAD FORETOLD THESE AND THEN THOUSAND OTHER WONDERFUL THINGS ABOUT HIM, and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day"
Tactius also mentions Jesus a lot in his writings...
Sorry, but that was written almost 100 years AFTER Jesus's supposed death, by a man that wasn't alive at the time of Jesus's supposed life. There is no mention of Jesus by anyone that was alive at the time he was supposed to be alive. There is no record by the Romans of his Crucifiction (the kept very good records). Odd........
Originally posted by: thehstrybean
Originally posted by: NL5
Originally posted by: thehstrybean
Originally posted by: NL5
Originally posted by: dbuttcheek69
Originally posted by: TallBill
I'm still waiting for a link to a book or reference or something that says that jesus exists.
give me a link that PROVES that Goerge Washington existed. did you actually see him? do you know anybody that actually has seen him? how can you PROVE it then? You probably read it in books right?
well I would count the bible as a book.
Wow! Are you really that...well, nevermind. Anyway, Geoarge Washington existed. Not only do we have his body, his house, his writings, but COUNTLESS references to him in independent works. Not so for Jesus. NOTHING was written about him at the time he was supposed to be alive - NOTHING (and this was during the Roman era - the Romans kept EXCELLENT records BTW). We have no body, no home, NOT ONE THING WRITTEN by him. NOTHING. The only eveidence is a book wriiten somewhere between fifty and a hundred years AFTYER his supposed death.
Actually, if I remember correctly, the Romans do have record of Jesus...If I can find the book, I'll quote it for ya...
EDIT: Sweet...I found the website, my copy of "Antiquities" is still in my locker...Josephus references Jesus in Antiquities 18:63-64 "Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man IF IT BE LAWFUL TO CALL HIM A MAN, for he was a doer of wonders, A TEACHER OF SUCH MEN AS RECEIVE THE TRUTH WITH PLEASURE. He drew many after him BOTH OF THE JEWS AND THE GENTILES. HE WAS THE CHRIST. When Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, FOR HE APPEARED TO THEM ALIVE AGAIN THE THIRD DAY, AS THE DIVINE PROPHETS HAD FORETOLD THESE AND THEN THOUSAND OTHER WONDERFUL THINGS ABOUT HIM, and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day"
Tactius also mentions Jesus a lot in his writings...
Sorry, but that was written almost 100 years AFTER Jesus's supposed death, by a man that wasn't alive at the time of Jesus's supposed life. There is no mention of Jesus by anyone that was alive at the time he was supposed to be alive. There is no record by the Romans of his Crucifiction (the kept very good records). Odd........
Actually, Josephus lived 37-100 AD....That's Jesus' time...
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
The 14th century Bubonic Plague
Originally posted by: Riprorin
The birth of Christ.
Originally posted by: CarpeDeo
In your opinion, what would you say is the single most significant event of all human history?
Originally posted by: Cerb
How can anyone in their right mind say the Birth of Jesus was the msot important? If you believe in Christianity, then the most important event would be, by far, the creation, or fall, of Man, without which Jesus would never have been necessary.
Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Originally posted by: Riprorin
The birth of Christ.
Sex was needed for that. I win.![]()
Originally posted by: thehstrybean
Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Originally posted by: Riprorin
The birth of Christ.
Sex was needed for that. I win.![]()
Sex wasn't needed for Jesus...God gave Mary (teh virgin) the baby...
Originally posted by: sparkyclarky
Originally posted by: thehstrybean
Originally posted by: NL5
Originally posted by: thehstrybean
Originally posted by: NL5
Originally posted by: dbuttcheek69
Originally posted by: TallBill
I'm still waiting for a link to a book or reference or something that says that jesus exists.
give me a link that PROVES that Goerge Washington existed. did you actually see him? do you know anybody that actually has seen him? how can you PROVE it then? You probably read it in books right?
well I would count the bible as a book.
Wow! Are you really that...well, nevermind. Anyway, Geoarge Washington existed. Not only do we have his body, his house, his writings, but COUNTLESS references to him in independent works. Not so for Jesus. NOTHING was written about him at the time he was supposed to be alive - NOTHING (and this was during the Roman era - the Romans kept EXCELLENT records BTW). We have no body, no home, NOT ONE THING WRITTEN by him. NOTHING. The only eveidence is a book wriiten somewhere between fifty and a hundred years AFTYER his supposed death.
Actually, if I remember correctly, the Romans do have record of Jesus...If I can find the book, I'll quote it for ya...
EDIT: Sweet...I found the website, my copy of "Antiquities" is still in my locker...Josephus references Jesus in Antiquities 18:63-64 "Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man IF IT BE LAWFUL TO CALL HIM A MAN, for he was a doer of wonders, A TEACHER OF SUCH MEN AS RECEIVE THE TRUTH WITH PLEASURE. He drew many after him BOTH OF THE JEWS AND THE GENTILES. HE WAS THE CHRIST. When Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, FOR HE APPEARED TO THEM ALIVE AGAIN THE THIRD DAY, AS THE DIVINE PROPHETS HAD FORETOLD THESE AND THEN THOUSAND OTHER WONDERFUL THINGS ABOUT HIM, and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day"
Tactius also mentions Jesus a lot in his writings...
Sorry, but that was written almost 100 years AFTER Jesus's supposed death, by a man that wasn't alive at the time of Jesus's supposed life. There is no mention of Jesus by anyone that was alive at the time he was supposed to be alive. There is no record by the Romans of his Crucifiction (the kept very good records). Odd........
Actually, Josephus lived 37-100 AD....That's Jesus' time...
Actually, that's around 10 years past the time of Christ.
