Most heinous use of WMD in history

[M0RPH]

WMD = weapons of mass destruction

I guess the most heinous use of WMD was by the United States in 1945 when it dropped two nuclear bombs over Japan killing approximately 200,000 people. Have there been any other uses of WMD anywhere near as bad as this in history?

(I'd also like to mention how ironic it is that we are now the moral police of the world in regards to WMD, given that we were responsible for the most heinous use of WMD in history, and still to this day possess more WMD than any other country.)

 

[Duder1no]

Can't argue with this.

 

[Nik]

How is saving (preventing the deaths of) millions and millions and millions of lives heinous?

WMD isn't limited to nukes and WMDs have been used in wars, conflicts, battles, riots, coups, dictatorship terrorism, and tons of other situations not limited to the United States and infact grossly outnumber the number of times the US has ever used WMDs.

/sits back and presses the ON button for the remote controlled popcorn stand

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Not sure whether to respond to this drivel or prop up a lawn chair...

 

[bfdd]

some consider the machine gun a WMD.... and it has claimed more lives in a single day than both bombs combined.

 

[Bateluer]

P&N is that way

 

[reallyscrued]

How is saving (preventing the deaths of) millions and millions and millions of lives heinous?

Because we already had word that the Japs would surrender. Truman was just pouring salt on open wounds.

 

[HydroSqueegee]

us vs them back in WW2. betther them than us.

 

[Brainonska511]

Total war. Yes it sucks for people involved. As they said on the tv show, Babylon 5:

There's only one truth about war: people die. Killing is part of a soldier's job—we can't deny it. We can only live with it and hope the reasons for doing it are justified.

Regardless, the firebombings of Japan killed far more people than the two atom bombs combined.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

WMD = weapons of mass destruction

I guess the most heinous use of WMD was by the United States in 1945 when it dropped two nuclear bombs over Japan killing approximately 200,000 people. Have there been any other uses of WMD anywhere near as bad as this in history?

(I'd also like to mention how ironic it is that we are now the moral police of the world in regards to WMD, given that we were responsible for the most heinous use of WMD in history, and still to this day possess more WMD than any other country.)

Not heinous at all...

1. It ended the fucking war.
2. By almost any estimate the number of lives lost waging a conventional war on the Japanese mainland would have exceeded the total lost in the Fat Man/Little Boy bombings by several times.

I once read somewhere that the body bags being used in Iraq and Afghanistan are left overs from the batch ordered in anticipation of our losses in that mainland assault.

I suspect the OP is just trolling though...

 

[Homerboy]

wow talk about trolling.
Go post his in P&N where it belongs... I triple dog dare you.

 

[bobdole369]

How is saving (preventing the deaths of) millions and millions and millions of lives heinous?

We don't know that to be the truth. That is a common stand taken by folks in error (in my opinion). Until it actually happened, there would be no way to say "millions of people would have died anyways". Just like we didn't know if another few months of sanctions against Iraq would have achieved regime change in Iraq.

 

[Brainonska511]

I suspect the OP is just trolling though...

Since this topic has been beaten to death over and over again here and in literature (applying today's standards to yesterday's issues with 20/20 hindsight), it has to be trolling.

 

[waggy]

troll thread. stupid one at that.

 

[Nik]

Because we already had word that the Japs would surrender. Truman was just pouring salt on open wounds.

Of all the studies, reports, documentaries, books, and other historically educational material I've ever crammed into my little brain about the subject, including doing a report on it in school (haha), you're the first person to sling such an idea.

 

[mugs]

Because we already had word that the Japs would surrender. Truman was just pouring salt on open wounds.

Their options were unconditional surrender immediately, or unconditional surrender later. They chose poorly.

Re: WMD police - we don't "police" the majority of countries that own WMDs, but we have attempted to prevent a few crazies from getting/keeping/using them.

 

[BoomerD]

Don't start nothing you can't finish.

 

[shiner]

Because we already had word that the Japs would surrender. Truman was just pouring salt on open wounds.

Oh please...that's the same revisionist drivel that also believes Roosevelt knew about Pearl Harbor and ordered the carriers out to sea.

 

[Homerboy]

We don't know that to be the truth. That is a common stand taken by folks in error (in my opinion). Until it actually happened, there would be no way to say "millions of people would have died anyways". Just like we didn't know if another few months of sanctions against Iraq would have achieved regime change in Iraq.

So we shoulda just rolled the dice and HOPED that the numbers worked out for the best for everyone?

 

[Avalon]

Probably when I farted in the office earlier. That was brutal.

 

[MotF Bane]

Obvious troll is obvious.

 

[crashtestdummy]

We don't know that to be the truth. That is a common stand taken by folks in error (in my opinion). Until it actually happened, there would be no way to say "millions of people would have died anyways". Just like we didn't know if another few months of sanctions against Iraq would have achieved regime change in Iraq.

There were over 200,000 casualties (100k Japanese military, 50k American, at least 50k civilian) combined in taking Okinawa. If it took that many to take one little island, image what the mainland would have required.

 

[bobdole369]

So we shoulda just rolled the dice and HOPED that the numbers worked out for the best for everyone?

Oh no no no - we chose correctly. It's just that everyone seems to fall for that fallacy.
Like this guy did:

Not heinous at all...

1. It ended the fucking war.
2. By almost any estimate the number of lives lost waging a conventional war on the Japanese mainland would have exceeded the total lost in the Fat Man/Little Boy bombings by several times.

For the record, I support the use of nuclear weapons in 1945 in Japan, just pointing out everyones error.

 

[waggy]

There were over 200,000 casualties (100k Japanese military, 50k American, at least 50k civilian) combined in taking Okinawa. If it took that many to take one little island, image what the mainland would have required.

exactly. i would have hated to see the Japanese death toll. considering every male would be fighting to the death. just thinking about it is staggering.

 

[OCGuy]

That was the greatest use possible.......it isn't even worth arguing.


But yea, they teach you to make this thread in Trolling 101 I'm sure.