Most Fuel Efficient Automakers

[Ktulu]

http://autos.aol.com/article/g...y/20080711132109990002

Top 10 Best Average Fuel Economy AutoMakers
Rank Combined Manufacturer # Cars
1 27.66 mpg MINI 12
2 23.81 mpg Honda 27
3 23.36 mpg Chevrolet 88
4 22.33 mpg Lotus 3
5 22.21 mpg Volkswagen 28
6 22.20 mpg Pontiac 24
7 22.14 mpg Saturn 21
8 21.8 mpg KIA 20
9 21.77 mpg Suzuki 18
10 21.6 mpg Toyota 55

Of course these are all EPA numbers based on the total number of model configuration a brand offers.

I'm honestly not surprised by the results.

 

[BassBomb]

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[herm0016]

good job GM!

comparing GMC to the rest is not very good, all they make is trucks, same with hummer and land rover.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: herm0016
good job GM!

comparing GMC to the rest is not very good, all they make is trucks, same with hummer and land rover.

If GM were truly smart they could market this like crazy, but..............

 

[overst33r]

Mini has 12 models? I only know of 4 at most....

 

[radioouman]

I didn't know that Mini was its own brand.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: mariok2006
Mini has 12 models? I only know of 4 at most....

I think they go by the number of different configurations, Chevy doesn't have any where near 88 models

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: mariok2006
Mini has 12 models? I only know of 4 at most....

Maybe like..

1. turbo/supercharged or not = 2 different models
2. 2 vs 4 door
3. Hard top vs soft
and so on. Then mix and match and you have 12?

 

[iamwiz82]

Cooper
Cooper S
Clubman
Clubman S
Cooper Vert
Cooper Vert S

I assume they then count transmissions types, so that makes 12.

 

[GTaudiophile]

If only MINIs were as reliable as Corollas...

 

[marincounty]

Chevrolet gets better mileage than Kia and Suzuki?
Maybe with just averaging the models mileage, but what about sales weighting?

That is the cafe number that matters. This is meaningless.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: marincounty
Chevrolet gets better mileage than Kia and Suzuki?
Maybe with just averaging the models mileage, but what about sales weighting?

That is the cafe number that matters. This is meaningless.

Not really, this shows that Chevrolet's offerings are very fuel efficient compared to popular belief. Model for model Chevrolet's either match or better its foreign counter parts. Why can't people accept this?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: marincounty
Chevrolet gets better mileage than Kia and Suzuki?
Maybe with just averaging the models mileage, but what about sales weighting?

That is the cafe number that matters. This is meaningless.

Not really, this shows that Chevrolet's offerings are very fuel efficient compared to popular belief. Model for model Chevrolet's either match or better its foreign counter parts. Why can't people accept this?

Whoa, you are drawing a lot of conclusions from one practically useless metric.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: marincounty
Chevrolet gets better mileage than Kia and Suzuki?
Maybe with just averaging the models mileage, but what about sales weighting?

That is the cafe number that matters. This is meaningless.

Not really, this shows that Chevrolet's offerings are very fuel efficient compared to popular belief. Model for model Chevrolet's either match or better its foreign counter parts. Why can't people accept this?

Whoa, you are drawing a lot of conclusions from one practically useless metric.

How is it useless and how am I drawing conclusions when anybody can go and research these numbers themselves? It's not like any of this is secret.

Heck, here's a quick comparo of compacts and midsize(no hybrids), tell me if these numbers are still useless (source):

Compacts
Chevy Cobalt 25/36
Suzuki Forenza 20/28
Kia Spectra 24/32
Hyundai Elantra 24/33
Honda Civic25/36
Toyota Corolla 28/37
Nissan Sentra 25/33
ford focus 24/35

Midsize
chevy malibu 22/32
toyota camry 21/31
honda accord 22/31
hyundai sonata 21/31
kia optima 21/31
ford fusion 20/29

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by: marincounty
Chevrolet gets better mileage than Kia and Suzuki?
Maybe with just averaging the models mileage, but what about sales weighting?

That is the cafe number that matters. This is meaningless.

It's not meaningless to the customer. If you're shopping for a more fuel efficient vehicle, the average vehicle you pick from Chevrolet will have better mileage than the average one you pick from anyone but Mini and Honda, which likely means more models to choose from.

The 10 worst list is pretty stupid, since most of the makes are either exotics or ultra lux, which are well out of the price range of almost everyone, sold in such small numbers that they are CAFE exempt, and so expensive that anyone who can afford them doesn't care about the price of gas. How does Bugatti even make the list? They sell fewer cars in a year, than Chevrolet and Toyota have models in this survey. The top 7 worst should be tossed and replaced with makes that people who would research a car purchase on AOL would actually be able to buy.

1 10 mpg Bugatti 1
2 11.44 mpg Lamborghini 9
3 11.66 mpg Bentley 6
4 12.16 mpg Ferrari 6
6 13.33 mpg Aston Martin 6
7 14 mpg Rolls-Royce 3
8 14.5 mpg Maserati 2
9 14.66mpg Land Rover 6
10 14.66 mpg Hummer 3
10 15.30 mpg GMC 69

And yes, I do know how to count, it's AOL who thinks there are two 10's and no 5's in a top ten.

It should probably be noted as well, that the difference between #4 Lotus and #10 Toyota is less than 3/4 of a mile per gallon, which is pretty much worthless. Most of these makes are bunched closely together.

 

[SparkyJJO]

bwahaha, toyota you just got owned.

As someone said on another forum:

Dear Toyota,

You suck at MPG.

Sincerely,
The General

:laugh:

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: marincounty
Chevrolet gets better mileage than Kia and Suzuki?
Maybe with just averaging the models mileage, but what about sales weighting?

That is the cafe number that matters. This is meaningless.

How is it meaningless? It shows the average mpg of each brand and each of its configurations. Is it that you don't agree with the results, therefore it's meaningless?

 

[KillerCharlie]

That's not surprising, considering how many trucks/SUVs Toyota has.

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: marincounty
Chevrolet gets better mileage than Kia and Suzuki?
Maybe with just averaging the models mileage, but what about sales weighting?

That is the cafe number that matters. This is meaningless.

How is it meaningless? It shows the average mpg of each brand and each of its configurations. Is it that you don't agree with the results, therefore it's meaningless?

I don't see how it really means anything. It doesn't show what a manufacturer is capable of, just of the model line they decided on.

There are chart out there that divides it by class of vehicles?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: marincounty
Chevrolet gets better mileage than Kia and Suzuki?
Maybe with just averaging the models mileage, but what about sales weighting?

That is the cafe number that matters. This is meaningless.

Not really, this shows that Chevrolet's offerings are very fuel efficient compared to popular belief. Model for model Chevrolet's either match or better its foreign counter parts. Why can't people accept this?

Whoa, you are drawing a lot of conclusions from one practically useless metric.

How is it useless and how am I drawing conclusions when anybody can go and research these numbers themselves? It's not like any of this is secret.

Heck, here's a quick comparo of compacts and midsize(no hybrids), tell me if these numbers are still useless (source):

Compacts
Chevy Cobalt 25/36
Suzuki Forenza 20/28
Kia Spectra 24/32
Hyundai Elantra 24/33
Honda Civic25/36
Toyota Corolla 28/37
Nissan Sentra 25/33
ford focus 24/35

Midsize
chevy malibu 22/32
toyota camry 21/31
honda accord 22/31
hyundai sonata 21/31
kia optima 21/31
ford fusion 20/29

People don't choose by this sort of comparison. They compare individual Models and Options for that Model. They also don't use single criteria to make a final decision.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: marincounty
Chevrolet gets better mileage than Kia and Suzuki?
Maybe with just averaging the models mileage, but what about sales weighting?

That is the cafe number that matters. This is meaningless.

Not really, this shows that Chevrolet's offerings are very fuel efficient compared to popular belief. Model for model Chevrolet's either match or better its foreign counter parts. Why can't people accept this?

Whoa, you are drawing a lot of conclusions from one practically useless metric.

How is it useless and how am I drawing conclusions when anybody can go and research these numbers themselves? It's not like any of this is secret.

Heck, here's a quick comparo of compacts and midsize(no hybrids), tell me if these numbers are still useless (source):

Compacts
Chevy Cobalt 25/36
Suzuki Forenza 20/28
Kia Spectra 24/32
Hyundai Elantra 24/33
Honda Civic25/36
Toyota Corolla 28/37
Nissan Sentra 25/33
ford focus 24/35

Midsize
chevy malibu 22/32
toyota camry 21/31
honda accord 22/31
hyundai sonata 21/31
kia optima 21/31
ford fusion 20/29

People don't choose by this sort of comparison. They compare individual Models and Options for that Model. They also don't use single criteria to make a final decision.

Perhaps you missed were I said 'quick comparo'? But we're not talking about overall decision making we're simply talking about fuel economy. So why does everyone here get all defensive when the numbers show that a domestic brand either matches or exceeds the foreign competition?

 

[SparkyJJO]

Originally posted by: Ktulu
Perhaps you missed were I said 'quick comparo'? But we're not talking about overall decision making we're simply talking about fuel economy. So why does everyone here get all defensive when the numbers show that a domestic brand either matches or exceeds the foreign competition?

Psst.... you're challenging their position that toyota = god of the car world.... 😉

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: marincounty
Chevrolet gets better mileage than Kia and Suzuki?
Maybe with just averaging the models mileage, but what about sales weighting?

That is the cafe number that matters. This is meaningless.

Not really, this shows that Chevrolet's offerings are very fuel efficient compared to popular belief. Model for model Chevrolet's either match or better its foreign counter parts. Why can't people accept this?

Whoa, you are drawing a lot of conclusions from one practically useless metric.

How is it useless and how am I drawing conclusions when anybody can go and research these numbers themselves? It's not like any of this is secret.

Heck, here's a quick comparo of compacts and midsize(no hybrids), tell me if these numbers are still useless (source):

Compacts
Chevy Cobalt 25/36
Suzuki Forenza 20/28
Kia Spectra 24/32
Hyundai Elantra 24/33
Honda Civic25/36
Toyota Corolla 28/37
Nissan Sentra 25/33
ford focus 24/35

Midsize
chevy malibu 22/32
toyota camry 21/31
honda accord 22/31
hyundai sonata 21/31
kia optima 21/31
ford fusion 20/29

People don't choose by this sort of comparison. They compare individual Models and Options for that Model. They also don't use single criteria to make a final decision.

Perhaps you missed were I said 'quick comparo'? But we're not talking about overall decision making we're simply talking about fuel economy. So why does everyone here get all defensive when the numbers show that a domestic brand either matches or exceeds the foreign competition?

I'm not. I'm just pointing out the fact that it is meaningless.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: marincounty
Chevrolet gets better mileage than Kia and Suzuki?
Maybe with just averaging the models mileage, but what about sales weighting?

That is the cafe number that matters. This is meaningless.

Not really, this shows that Chevrolet's offerings are very fuel efficient compared to popular belief. Model for model Chevrolet's either match or better its foreign counter parts. Why can't people accept this?

Whoa, you are drawing a lot of conclusions from one practically useless metric.

How is it useless and how am I drawing conclusions when anybody can go and research these numbers themselves? It's not like any of this is secret.

Heck, here's a quick comparo of compacts and midsize(no hybrids), tell me if these numbers are still useless (source):

Compacts
Chevy Cobalt 25/36
Suzuki Forenza 20/28
Kia Spectra 24/32
Hyundai Elantra 24/33
Honda Civic25/36
Toyota Corolla 28/37
Nissan Sentra 25/33
ford focus 24/35

Midsize
chevy malibu 22/32
toyota camry 21/31
honda accord 22/31
hyundai sonata 21/31
kia optima 21/31
ford fusion 20/29

People don't choose by this sort of comparison. They compare individual Models and Options for that Model. They also don't use single criteria to make a final decision.

Perhaps you missed were I said 'quick comparo'? But we're not talking about overall decision making we're simply talking about fuel economy. So why does everyone here get all defensive when the numbers show that a domestic brand either matches or exceeds the foreign competition?

I'm not. I'm just pointing out the fact that it is meaningless.

So in a market where people have spoken with their wallets that they want more fuel efficient cars, these numbers are useless?😕 WOW, denial much?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: marincounty
Chevrolet gets better mileage than Kia and Suzuki?
Maybe with just averaging the models mileage, but what about sales weighting?

That is the cafe number that matters. This is meaningless.

Not really, this shows that Chevrolet's offerings are very fuel efficient compared to popular belief. Model for model Chevrolet's either match or better its foreign counter parts. Why can't people accept this?

Whoa, you are drawing a lot of conclusions from one practically useless metric.

How is it useless and how am I drawing conclusions when anybody can go and research these numbers themselves? It's not like any of this is secret.

Heck, here's a quick comparo of compacts and midsize(no hybrids), tell me if these numbers are still useless (source):

Compacts
Chevy Cobalt 25/36
Suzuki Forenza 20/28
Kia Spectra 24/32
Hyundai Elantra 24/33
Honda Civic25/36
Toyota Corolla 28/37
Nissan Sentra 25/33
ford focus 24/35

Midsize
chevy malibu 22/32
toyota camry 21/31
honda accord 22/31
hyundai sonata 21/31
kia optima 21/31
ford fusion 20/29

People don't choose by this sort of comparison. They compare individual Models and Options for that Model. They also don't use single criteria to make a final decision.

Perhaps you missed were I said 'quick comparo'? But we're not talking about overall decision making we're simply talking about fuel economy. So why does everyone here get all defensive when the numbers show that a domestic brand either matches or exceeds the foreign competition?

I'm not. I'm just pointing out the fact that it is meaningless.

So in a market where people have spoken with their wallets that they want more fuel efficient cars, these numbers are useless?😕 WOW, denial much?

hehe, come on guy. Like I said, people choose Cars, not Companies. Once you break everything down this statistic is meaningless.

1) the difference in the result is quite small
2) the amount of Models a Manufacturer offers will affect the result
3) people have other factors in mind when choosing a vehicle