Moss and Barton Fines Handed Down

[marcello]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Kev
wow, that is pretty retarded. although i don't think the moss fine was because of the gesture itself, but more because he was taunting the fans & being a sore winner. he was taunting the fans the whole game.

Ding ding we have a winnAR. Yelling "17-NOTHING MUTHERF^#%$#S!" to the GB fans and pointing at the scoreboard with 5:00 left in the 1st Quarter probably had something to do with it. Moss is a classless baby, I'm glad that the NFL agrees. Like they said on ESPN.com, you give any pubescent juv delinquent a 17 mil signing bonus, and they'll do whatever they want... that is the root of these selfish prima donnas (Ricky Williams how YOU doin'?); the sooner the NFL and owners put an end to the signing bonus abuse, the better.

Both fines were appropriate, stop your whining people.

First off, in regards to the TO fine in a later post. He was fined by the team, not by the league. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Second, do you think the comparative fines were correct. As in: should Moss have been fined more for PRETENDING to moon the crowd than Barton for a cheap shot to the head of a defenseless player?

 

[marcello]

Oh, and bringing Ricky into this debate is just stupid. Ricky was always a classy player who just didn't want to play football anymore.

 

[TheNinja]

The main problem with the league fining Moss is now where do you draw the line on end zone celebrations or "classless act" fines? Let's say next time a WR catches a touchdown and does a dance, maybe his dance is so offensive and provocative to children watching that I think he should be fined. It just seems they are setting a standard here that is going to be a judgement call on every TD celebration now.

As for the Barton fine, I think there is a policy in place and $7500 is the norm. I think $7500 is a little low considering how much money they make, but like it or not at least they have a policy. I think everytime after the initial one goes up (for example I think John Lynch is up around $50,000 b/c he is a repeat offender for dangerous hits).

 

[RatDog]

What was Randy Moss doing to the goal post after the "moon?" To me as I watched it live, it seemed he was simulating taking a crap and then wiping himself on the goal post. That is disgusting and should be fined.

 

[SuperSix]

Moss is an a**hole - would be incarcerated w/o his NFL "career". Useless piece of trash! :|

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: marcello

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Kev
wow, that is pretty retarded. although i don't think the moss fine was because of the gesture itself, but more because he was taunting the fans & being a sore winner. he was taunting the fans the whole game.

Ding ding we have a winnAR. Yelling "17-NOTHING MUTHERF^#%$#S!" to the GB fans and pointing at the scoreboard with 5:00 left in the 1st Quarter probably had something to do with it. Moss is a classless baby, I'm glad that the NFL agrees. Like they said on ESPN.com, you give any pubescent juv delinquent a 17 mil signing bonus, and they'll do whatever they want... that is the root of these selfish prima donnas (Ricky Williams how YOU doin'?); the sooner the NFL and owners put an end to the signing bonus abuse, the better.

Both fines were appropriate, stop your whining people.

First off, in regards to the TO fine in a later post. He was fined by the team, not by the league. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Second, do you think the comparative fines were correct. As in: should Moss have been fined more for PRETENDING to moon the crowd than Barton for a cheap shot to the head of a defenseless player?

Who cares whether or not it's the NFL or the Team? The Team chose to act before the NFL did, I commend them for that. Also, TO man was fined 2.5X what Moss got. Stop crying and creating threads about who was fined what, Moss got what he deserved. The NFL saw him inciting the crowd by yelling profanities and taunting the crowd all game, his dance was the final straw. The NFL has laid down the law that if you act like a baby, the NFL will treat you like one and take some of your candy away. Get it?

Like ESPN Page 2 said, until these signing bonuses are regulated this moronic behavior won't stop. Selfish acts like leaving games early and dcking your team over to smoke some herb wouldn't happen if these babies weren't independantly wealthy so soon, make them earn their keep first and they would actually care if they took a hit in the wallet.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: SuperSix
Moss is an a**hole - would be incarcerated w/o his NFL "career". Useless piece of trash! :|

I agree, he would be in prison. His past guarantees him a jail cell:
Smile Randy!
"Two other traffic counts and a marijuana charge were dismissed as part of a plea agreement."

[/quote]Moss earned a full ride to Notre Dame in 1995 before a fight his senior year in high school saw him charged with two counts of simple battery and cost him his dream of playing for the Irish.

"When I lost my scholarship, I just sat down and prayed to the Lord that another opportunity would come my way," Moss said.

But despite all his natural talent, trouble continued to follow Moss when he tested positive for smoking marijuana at Florida State and was kicked off the team. That's how he found his way back to West Virginia and a three month stay in jail for violating his probation. "There's a lot you think about in a jail cell," Moss said. "You only have yourself. There's no one to hug or clown around with. You have a lot of time to sit around and think about what you did wrong. I've messed up. It's as simple as that."[/quote]

Or how about his fckups in the NFL alone?

1/00
Pro Bowl receiver Randy Moss is getting fined a second time for abuse of game officials; this time $40,000 for squirting a water bottle at an official. The NFL said Thursday the latest fine resulted from Moss' conduct in the Minnesota Vikings' 49-37 loss to the St. Louis Rams in an NFC divisional playoff game Sunday. The league also confirmed Thursday that it fined Moss $10,000 earlier for excessive verbal abuse. The lanky wide receiver, standing near the Minnesota bench during the fourth quarter at the Trans World Dome in St. Louis, squirted liquid from the bottle at field judge Jim Saracino following an incomplete pass intended for him. Vikings spokesman Bob Hagan said the bottle most likely contained water. The St. Louis fine was high because it was the second violation this year against Moss for abuse of game officials, the league said. The amount for a second offense is up to the NFL commissioner. Moss was fined $10,000 for excessive verbal abuse of side judge Larry Rose during a game against the Chicago Bears on Nov. 14. In that game, Moss was flagged after Cris Carter caught his third touchdown of the day and Moss continued to argue with an official about a call on the previous play. Moss acknowledged the squirting after the game, but has said little about it. ``There were some things going on,'' Moss said after the game. ``I don't really want to talk about it.''

or

1/01
In an interview published in ESPN magazine last month, Randy Moss admitted he doesn't always give 100 percent. ``It doesn't really bother me when people talk about me taking plays off,'' Moss said in the interview. ``It only bothers me when I'm on the field and I take a play off, and the ball's thrown and I'm not where I should be. Or if (running back) Robert (Smith) comes through there and I'm taking that play off. Only when something bad happens on the field.''

or

11/01
Vikings receiver Randy Moss was fined $10,000 by the NFL on Friday for taunting. Moss drew a 15-yard penalty when he twirled on his way into the end zone on a 25-yard touchdown catch in the second quarter of Minnesota's 28-16 victory over the New York Giants on Monday. Moss probably will appeal the fine, according to his agent, Dante DiTrapano. Moss was fined $5,000 for taunting against Green Bay on Oct. 21.

or

12/01
The Minnesota Vikings, who have been criticized for failing to control wide receiver Randy Moss, fined him $15,000 for verbally abusing a group of corporate sponsors on a team bus. Moss was fined Nov. 12, the day after a 48-17 loss at Philadelphia, but the Vikings didn't announce the fine then, and coach Dennis Green declined to confirm it on Thursday. The Star Tribune reported that Moss was upset to find the seat he wanted occupied by a sponsor, and raised his voice when the person didn't move immediately. The AP source said the sponsor complained to owner Red McCombs, who directed Green to do something about the behavior. The Vikings, like most other NFL teams, typically invite to road games top executives of the companies that advertise with them. Moss has been fined $20,000 by the NFL this season, twice for taunting and once for wearing an unapproved cap on the sideline during a preseason game. Before that, Moss was fined $10,000 in November 1999 for verbal abuse of a side judge; $25,000 in January 2000 for squirting liquid on a field judge; and $40,000 in October 2000 for making contact with an official.

or

12/00
The Minnesota Vikings' season got a little worse on Wednesday when their most talented - and most volatile - player responded to some questions posed to him by the Tennessee media. The questions were centered on a quote Moss gave to a Minneapolis columnist in which he stated, "'I play when I want to play. Do I play up to my top performance, my ability every time? Maybe not. ... I play when I want to play, case closed.'' Moss expanded on those sentiments when asked on Wednesday if those comments were taken out of text. ''Hell no, that [expletive] is what I said,'' Moss told The Tennessean. ''When I want to play I'll play. There is nobody here on the face of this earth that can make me go out here and play football.'' As if that wasn't enough, Moss threw in a few jabs at the Minnesota media. ''I think the people around here in Minneapolis are just jealous because I don't give them the time of day or the pleasure to interview me. Because I think they are full of [expletive],'' Moss said. ''I think that is just a little jealousy of Randy Moss talking and not talking to all the media, just picking out one individual to say a couple of things to. ? I feel that was some jealousy and also, with us losing, them trying to find a story to get things stirred up.''

And the OP is btching about a $10K fine! Fines are nothing new to Randy! lmao!

 

[marcello]

You still haven't answered the important question, which you never seem to do. Do you think the comparative fines are reasonable? On top of that you're making stuff up. Do a little reading. The NFL fined him for the mooning incident, and that is it. They said nothing about yelling at the fans earlier in the game having any effect on the fine. Next, he was fined only $25,000 for the waterbottle incident. Here:

League rules mandate discipline for "obscene gestures or other actions construed as being in poor taste.'' A fine for the first offense under those guidelines is $5,000.
Moss hasn't previously been fined for such an action, but he paid a $25,000 penalty in 1999 for squirting an official with a water bottle.

From this article

Even if the fine is apporpriate they fined him more than the league mandated amount, which is BS. Everytime you post SP33Demon you make it so easy to tear apart everything you say just by using actual facts. You being allowed to use the internet is a travesty and you'd make the world a better place if you just removed all your reproductive organs.

 

[marcello]

Also, if you don't like what the game's become, stop watching it and stick with figure skating or curling or something else boring. Otherwise, STFU and deal with the fact the players today like to celebrate. Spiking the ball used to be a sign of disrespect and showmanship, but now it's just the norm. GROW UP AND DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT NOT EVERYTHING GOES YOUR WAY.

 

[Muadib]

Originally posted by: SuperSix
Moss is an a**hole - would be incarcerated w/o his NFL "career". Useless piece of trash! :|

Bull@#$%!!
He went to collage just like you!!:|

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: marcello
You still haven't answered the important question, which you never seem to do. Do you think the comparative fines are reasonable? On top of that you're making stuff up. Do a little reading. The NFL fined him for the mooning incident, and that is it. They said nothing about yelling at the fans earlier in the game having any effect on the fine. Next, he was fined only $25,000 for the waterbottle incident. Here:

League rules mandate discipline for "obscene gestures or other actions construed as being in poor taste.'' A fine for the first offense under those guidelines is $5,000.
Moss hasn't previously been fined for such an action, but he paid a $25,000 penalty in 1999 for squirting an official with a water bottle.

From this article

Even if the fine is apporpriate they fined him more than the league mandated amount, which is BS. Everytime you post SP33Demon you make it so easy to tear apart everything you say just by using actual facts. You being allowed to use the internet is a travesty and you'd make the world a better place if you just removed all your reproductive organs.

I love how the personal insults start flying now. The truth hurts, doesn't it? Let's see, Moss has been fined:

$10,000 by NFL for excessive verbal abuse
$10,000 by NFL for excessive verbal abuse again
$10,000 by the NFL for taunting
$5,000 by NFL for taunting
$15,000 by Vikings for verbal abuse
$5,000 by the NFL for wearing a cap on the sidelines
$5,000 by NFL for wearing a cap that was not approved by the league
$1,200 in fines and sentenced to 30 days in jail by Hennepin County District
$40,000 which was later reduced to $25,000 by NFL for squirting a water bottle at an official (edited for accuracy since you cried about it)
$25,000 by NFL for grabbing field judge Lloyd McPeters' arm

and now

$10,000 for taunting again

So no, the $10K fine for using private parts to taunt is not out of line relevant to the standard fine that Barton got. This is just another one of your whiny (and self admittedly "confused") posts about how players like Randy Moss and Ricky Williams are being mistreated, and catch a bad rap. To reiterate, the truth hurts. Still "confused"?

 

[marcello]

League rules mandate discipline for "obscene gestures or other actions construed as being in poor taste.'' A fine for the first offense under those guidelines is $5,000.
Moss hasn't previously been fined for such an action


I wrote this again, because you missed it. Even though it was in bold. And was the focal point. Oh well, it's not really worth it with you, because you clearly choose not to read.

 

[Weeeman]

Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
Moss should not be fined.

Barton should have been fined higher.

 

[Lyfer]

Two words = Pocket Change.


Why do we care? They both makes MILLIONS.

 

[Phoenix86]

Randy Moss is a "repeat offender" and that's why his fine is higher than normal. Isn't this Barton's first offense?

You can't expect the players to act the same as the fans, not by ANY means. They should definatly be held to a higher standard. What if we took this stance when the fans were chucking d-cells at baseball players? Should they respond by taking their bats to the fans?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: marcello
Also, if you don't like what the game's become, stop watching it and stick with figure skating or curling or something else boring. Otherwise, STFU and deal with the fact the players today like to celebrate. Spiking the ball used to be a sign of disrespect and showmanship, but now it's just the norm. GROW UP AND DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT NOT EVERYTHING GOES YOUR WAY.

More whining again about how I said that players can never celebrate ever. :roll: :roll:

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: marcello
League rules mandate discipline for "obscene gestures or other actions construed as being in poor taste.'' A fine for the first offense under those guidelines is $5,000.
Moss hasn't previously been fined for such an action


I wrote this again, because you missed it. Even though it was in bold. And was the focal point. Oh well, it's not really worth it with you, because you clearly choose not to read.

$5,000 by NFL for taunting
$40,000 which was later reduced to $25,000 by NFL for squirting a water bottle at an official (edited for accuracy since you cried about it)

What about those?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Randy Moss is a "repeat offender" and that's why his fine is higher than normal. Isn't this Barton's first offense?

You can't expect the players to act the same as the fans, not by ANY means. They should definatly be held to a higher standard. What if we took this stance when the fans were chucking d-cells at baseball players? Should they respond by taking their bats to the fans?

No, the players should jump into the stands and randomly start hitting the first person they see!

 

[marcello]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: marcello
League rules mandate discipline for "obscene gestures or other actions construed as being in poor taste.'' A fine for the first offense under those guidelines is $5,000.
Moss hasn't previously been fined for such an action


I wrote this again, because you missed it. Even though it was in bold. And was the focal point. Oh well, it's not really worth it with you, because you clearly choose not to read.

$5,000 by NFL for taunting
$40,000 which was later reduced to $25,000 by NFL for squirting a water bottle at an official (edited for accuracy since you cried about it)

What about those?

They are different actions and fall under different guidelines, thus making them irrelevant in this case

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Randy Moss is a "repeat offender" and that's why his fine is higher than normal. Isn't this Barton's first offense?

You can't expect the players to act the same as the fans, not by ANY means. They should definatly be held to a higher standard. What if we took this stance when the fans were chucking d-cells at baseball players? Should they respond by taking their bats to the fans?

No, the players should jump into the stands and randomly start hitting the first person they see!

Tehehehe.

edit: So is this Barton's first incident?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: marcello
League rules mandate discipline for "obscene gestures or other actions construed as being in poor taste.'' A fine for the first offense under those guidelines is $5,000.
Moss hasn't previously been fined for such an action


I wrote this again, because you missed it. Even though it was in bold. And was the focal point. Oh well, it's not really worth it with you, because you clearly choose not to read.

Yes, you just defined it for us, and told us that the NFL can do whatever the fck they want when fining babies like Moss. Any player grabbing their crotch, or wiping their a$$ is in pretty bad taste; I'm glad the NFL agreed.

 

[SP33Demon]

I think the NFL should up the fines by 50X. Then they wouldn't have to worry about babies like Moss and their big signing bonuses. Got a problem with Moss? NFL: "Fck u, pay me!" Could you imagine the look on Moss's face after writing out the check for a $500K fine? "Priceless"

 

[marcello]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: marcello
League rules mandate discipline for "obscene gestures or other actions construed as being in poor taste.'' A fine for the first offense under those guidelines is $5,000.
Moss hasn't previously been fined for such an action


I wrote this again, because you missed it. Even though it was in bold. And was the focal point. Oh well, it's not really worth it with you, because you clearly choose not to read.

Yes, you just defined it for us, and told us that the NFL can do whatever the fck they want when fining babies like Moss. Any player grabbing their crotch, or wiping their a$$ is in pretty bad taste; I'm glad the NFL agreed.

But hitting a defenseless player in the head is in less bad taste? :roll:

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: marcello

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: marcello
League rules mandate discipline for "obscene gestures or other actions construed as being in poor taste.'' A fine for the first offense under those guidelines is $5,000.
Moss hasn't previously been fined for such an action


I wrote this again, because you missed it. Even though it was in bold. And was the focal point. Oh well, it's not really worth it with you, because you clearly choose not to read.

Yes, you just defined it for us, and told us that the NFL can do whatever the fck they want when fining babies like Moss. Any player grabbing their crotch, or wiping their a$$ is in pretty bad taste; I'm glad the NFL agreed.

But hitting a defenseless player in the head is in less bad taste? :roll:

Sht happens, Barton's adrenaline was flowing and he threw a forearm to a QB's head while in the act of tackling him. We see receivers get hit in their helmets harder than that, and it's legal. Cry us a river, this is football, not ballet!

EDIT: Also, the QB (Brees) got up immediately after the play and was fine. It wasn't incapacitating in any way.

 

[raildogg]

there should be some decency in the game. they should put an end to this before some other player does it

good job NFL, shame on you Moss