HumblePie
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- Oct 30, 2000
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You seriously have no clue about this do you? Non cheaters are in the vast vast minority. Now, people that cheat and claim they don't, just like every prisoner is always innocent, is also rampant.
It's way way way too easy to google a cheat and download one. There are tons and tons of sites, both free and not dedicated to this. You have zero idea how bad it is and by making that comment are just in a stage of denial. You may not cheat, and if that is correct you are one of the very few people. Cheating has been around forever to the point for some games is a "feature" practically , UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT B A Select Start anyone? To people developing so many different tools, and delivery systems to the point it's an art form such as code caves and what not. This goes from using exploits to outright hacking. Pick a game, any game and chances are there are dozens or more videos on you tube showing someone cheating in that game. And for every video showing 1 person, hundreds if not thousands (depending on the game's popularity) more aren't shown.
Also, games that specifically force major player versus player interaction such as FPS and or MMO's on PVP servers bring out the worst in both cheaters and people. It's a simple fact and one that most people can grasp and understand readily.
Now, the degree of cheating varies based off the type of game. Are many people going to cheat at single player sudoku? Some will but most won't because what is the point? the only fun of that game is to solve the puzzle, a cheat that gives you the entire puzzle would render the game pointless, but a cheat to solve 1 square to "get you unstuck" is technically cheating but it's minor enough some won't even consider it cheating. Other games like Counter Strike, which was so easily hacked and cheated with that it's not even funny that cheating is the mainstay of playing that game. If you AREN'T cheating, then you aren't anywhere near the level playing field of others. It's almost expected of every player on any public and open server.
My original post was to point out that cheating is a fact of life in games. It's more so in games that promote PvP or even worse have a potential monetary gain for the player. Games that cater specifically to the more hardcore PvP and allow the player that cheats the most to gain the most, especially if the game tries really hard to discourage casual cheating, end up the most ruined in the end.
Not the case. I used to do and even win prize money at a few competitions. Heck, when Halo 2 was released Block Buster rentals had a big ol' Halo 1 contest, nation wide, where you played at a local Block Buster, then a Regional Tourny, then a State, and then winners were selected to go to hollywood for the national tourny. Yah, me and my bud were in nationals. Hard to cheat in competitions with judges watching and real skill can shine.
Oh and to put it into perspective, I have NEVER owned an xbox, nor Halo, yet I made it to the national levels of a major prize tourney and took 11th. Ended up wtih a free Xbox and some other junk from BB as my going away prize and ended up selling the junk on ebay, my friend took 3rd though. My biggest draw back was that I could stand the controller. My friend was better than me with a controller, when I convinced him to buy the adapter to hook a usb keyboard and mouse to his xbox, he didn't stand a chance against me.
I'm just pointing out that I don't play public FPS server games past the first few months because the cheating becomes RAMPANT and I don't like to cheat. Sometimes, I'll screw around after I notice early on what people are doing. Meaning I've been playing a couple months, stat noticing some cheating, see what they are doing in observation mode, google the cheat, and try it myself for shyts and grins for a game. Then I'll stop playing. More practical to hone your skills playing against good people who don't cheat than to play against cheaters. I'm too old to do the "gaming competitons" now-adays and yes, there are plenty of players better than me, but I'm no slouch at FPS's.
Sorry to derail the thread. The original point to this deluded trails of conversation was I believe all these promises that this game as made is no different than the dozens upon dozens made from games mostly vaporware and some released in the past. I'll believe it when I see it. Also, in today's era, any game that tries to do any hard core catering to PVP and relies on a monthly charge for income is doomed to failure so long as the game can't be coded by a bunch of chimps and a few pimply faced 15 year olds in a basement living off twinkies. Then again, any game made like that in today's era of gaming is doomed to failure more than likely anyhow. If UO was released today, the CD it was printed on would never see the light of day as it would be forever sitting on some storage shelf in a box.
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