Morroco king Mohammad unveils constitutional reforms

[William Gaatjes]

How thoughtful of the king to throw a bone of democracy for the people to chew on while his family can continue their parasitic existence. How nice to see some folks in here so supportive of the idea that they lend a hand with the "if you want more liberty, prepare to die" blackmail that's needed in order to close the deal with the people of Morocco.

Well, if you give people freedom for the full 100% without guidance, often civil wars will occur. If that may be from religious motives or just political ideology or just some megalomaniac. It takes time.

 

[feralkid]

The problem with this is that it was announced by the King.

Get rid of the King and all the royal family. Then have an elected government change the Constitution.

Idiots.

While I've only been to Morocco a few times and have only a yeoman's knowledge of its history and current socioeconomic status, one thing I can say with certainty is that you are talking out your ass.

Hmarr.

 

[cybrsage]

The Germans have invested a lot of money in solar systems.

Dang it! Not intent on trying to conquer the Earth, they are investing in solar systems!



I wish solar panels were less costly, I would put them on my roof.

 

[Lemon law]

Long ago Europe went through the same basic processes in its transition from monarchy to civilian rule that Morocco and Jordon are undergoing now.

Its easy to point to France and Russia as an example of instant transition, but its not even totally true in those countries.

In the vast bulk of European countries, the King would cede some power to a civilian legislature, only to reassert control by dissolving the legislature a decade or two later. And only after a few cycles of dissolving the legislature was royal power finally ended.

But still what drives many of those events was pointed out again by Bill Clinton, its the economy stupid. And it can cut two ways, in the case of Mubarak, he and his few cronies looted the economy of Egypt for decades, the sure way to get the heave ho. In the case of Louie the 16'th of France, he would have been happier to be a clockmaker, but when his Ministers did nothing to help the French people when a bad economic cycle hit, he paid the price anyway.

 

[cave_dweller]

All Muslims are under some requirement to emulate the life of Muhammad.

MOHAMMED, THE FILM: If the Sira were a 2-hour movie of Mohammed as a prophet, it would go like this:

Mohammed has his first revelation in the first scene. The first fight starts 2 minutes into the movie. After that it is plotting, shouting, arguing, threatening and preaching. Even when the scene is in Mohammed’s camp, the backdrop is always the struggle with the kafirs. Then 34 minutes into the film, the first killing happens and killing continues for the next 1 ½ hours. Armed raids, assassinations, plots, spies, executions, torture, rape, battles, and on and on. Kafirs die and lose. Mohammed dies. Islam triumphs. End of film.

 

[William Gaatjes]

All Muslims are under some requirement to emulate the life of Muhammad.

MOHAMMED, THE FILM: If the Sira were a 2-hour movie of Mohammed as a prophet, it would go like this:

Mohammed has his first revelation in the first scene. The first fight starts 2 minutes into the movie. After that it is plotting, shouting, arguing, threatening and preaching. Even when the scene is in Mohammed’s camp, the backdrop is always the struggle with the kafirs. Then 34 minutes into the film, the first killing happens and killing continues for the next 1 ½ hours. Armed raids, assassinations, plots, spies, executions, torture, rape, battles, and on and on. Kafirs die and lose. Mohammed dies. Islam triumphs. End of film.

Is the first thing to unlearn not to take things literally ?
Wise people understand history.
In general human history is filled with violence.
For the simple reason that most of humans know very well the difference between right and wrong and deliberately make the wrong choice. Simply for obvious reasons. When confronted, others are blamed and any excuse that is usable is sought for and used. It happened in the past. It is happening now and unfortunately will continue for some time in the foreseeable future.
Self reflection is deemed boring by so many. Self correcting even more...

 

[cave_dweller]

Is the first thing to unlearn not to take things literally ?
Wise people understand history.
In general human history is filled with violence.
For the simple reason that most of humans know very well the difference between right and wrong and deliberately make the wrong choice. Simply for obvious reasons. When confronted, others are blamed and any excuse that is usable is sought for and used. It happened in the past. It is happening now and unfortunately will continue for some time in the foreseeable future.
Self reflection is deemed boring by so many. Self correcting even more...

Islam is hidden and forbidden. Hidden means that we don’t actually discuss it. We have the hearsay-opinion version of discussion that never talks about the actual motivation of Islam, its doctrine and world view. One of the ways we hide Islam is to not discuss it by diverting the conversation to our flaws, history and faults. It is a “See, we are just as bad or worse, therefore we should talk about our failings, not Islam’s failings.

We should discuss Islam, not ourselves. Another version of this is: “Well the Christians/crusaders did bad things.” This is another way to turn the discussion back to us. Again, what is the motivation of Islam? Why is it always about us? One of the ways that Islam is hidden is the lack of open and free discussion. Talking about Islam is considered a very sensitive subject.

Political correctness demands that no minority be offended. Any critical thought is met by disapproval. It is not possible for any form of religion to be bad. No minority may be offended. Since the talk is “hurtful” we may not do it. Islam is being added to a long list of topics that may not be discussed in any way that offends the minority of 1.5 billion people.

Islamic jihad invaded the Christian Middle East and subjugated them. The Crusades were a response to a cry for help by the tortured and oppressed Christians in their native land. Did the Christians do some wrong things?

Yes, but notice that the Crusades have been over nearly a thousand years. Jihad is active today. And while we are at it, why do academic libraries have many books on the Crusades, which lasted only 200 years, and so few on jihad, which has been going on 1400 years? The West has analyzed the Crusades, ad nauseam, and has barely looked at jihad.

So a man is nice and he is a Muslim. What does that prove about Islam? He may follow the Golden Rule and not Islamic doctrine. That is, he may be a poor practitioner of Islam and a good person.

Have you ever read the Koran, Sira and Hadith or know the Sharia? If so have you read the Koran in chronological order?

 

[William Gaatjes]

Islam is hidden and forbidden. Hidden means that we don’t actually discuss it. We have the hearsay-opinion version of discussion that never talks about the actual motivation of Islam, its doctrine and world view. One of the ways we hide Islam is to not discuss it by diverting the conversation to our flaws, history and faults. It is a “See, we are just as bad or worse, therefore we should talk about our failings, not Islam’s failings.

We should discuss Islam, not ourselves. Another version of this is: “Well the Christians/crusaders did bad things.” This is another way to turn the discussion back to us. Again, what is the motivation of Islam? Why is it always about us? One of the ways that Islam is hidden is the lack of open and free discussion. Talking about Islam is considered a very sensitive subject.

Political correctness demands that no minority be offended. Any critical thought is met by disapproval. It is not possible for any form of religion to be bad. No minority may be offended. Since the talk is “hurtful” we may not do it. Islam is being added to a long list of topics that may not be discussed in any way that offends the minority of 1.5 billion people.

Islamic jihad invaded the Christian Middle East and subjugated them. The Crusades were a response to a cry for help by the tortured and oppressed Christians in their native land. Did the Christians do some wrong things?

Yes, but notice that the Crusades have been over nearly a thousand years. Jihad is active today. And while we are at it, why do academic libraries have many books on the Crusades, which lasted only 200 years, and so few on jihad, which has been going on 1400 years? The West has analyzed the Crusades, ad nauseam, and has barely looked at jihad.

So a man is nice and he is a Muslim. What does that prove about Islam? He may follow the Golden Rule and not Islamic doctrine. That is, he may be a poor practitioner of Islam and a good person.

Have you ever read the Koran, Sira and Hadith or know the Sharia? If so have you read the Koran in chronological order?

I understand what you mean. And i fully agree with you that we should be able to discuss the Islam. But the whole issue is that when we tell Muslims to not take the Quran literally to full extent just as we ask Christians or Jews not to take their holy books literally, a problem is presented. The reason why the Islam seems so hostile to the west, is because in the west people do not treasure freedom and have no respect for it, just as is done in Islamic countries. Freedom boundaries are constantly crossed. Having respect for each other, respecting each others freedoms and being against extreme expressions of personal (usually lustful)desires. Forcing personal views upon others. Not using the common sense.
The issue is here of course, that a society is a dynamic system that is constantly changing. But a society requires a feedback system to fall back to. And a feedback system requires a reference. There is something as a reference that people use as a guidance in life, usually religion or moral and traditional values that have been passed on or taught. Since more and more people view freedom in the absolute way, meaning that they should be able to do whatever they can think of, regardless how others might feel about it.
Also, while there is nothing wrong with capitalism, capitalism without a strong moral view, will allow for excesses. Just look at the visual ads how one of the most basic instincts of (unsuspecting) humans (just customers) are used to let them buy anything you want or how you can shape their opinion anyway you want. It works... And it works best when you have a young fresh (hormone driven) generation every 20 years... Society is a dynamic system that is constantly evolving.
This may seem paranoid when you read it. But it is not. It is natural consequences, other may call it chaos or "the butterfly effect". It may seem overwhelming, but it is not. Give into it and see how comforting it is to see how things work when able to realize and visualize (or to experience it all at once in the mind) it. Some might call it revelation.

Most people do not understand what freedom of choice really consists.
Thus we come to the real question :
What is freedom ?
Freedom is for man and woman :
To receive and to enjoy education.
That people respect each others boundaries and do not force their lustful desires upon others.
That people communicate properly.
To have within borders of common sense and mutual respect a possibility to express creativity.
To let the scientific method prevail over assumed personal views.
To not confuse lust with love.
To accept that lust only works with love.
To accept that gathered experiences shape the mind of a human being.
To accept that having bad experiences also shapes and thus influences the mind.
I can go on and on...


I have looked into the books you have mentioned. Many ones. Different versions of the same. But came to the conclusion that with out having the original messages, i must accept the highly probability that these texts are tainted. Just as is the Bible and the Torah...

And you are surely right about one thing. The golden rule.
Being a good person has nothing to do with religion. Religion is a tool. A guide to help people to make that personal connection from within your mind with what is naturally the true source of what makes a human a human and not an animal... A lot of people claim that humans are no more than animals. I disagree. Humans have naturally no limitations because of the ability to use creativity and hope to solve problems. That is what makes humans so incredibly powerful but also so very dangerous at the same time. That is why some societies use versions of popular religions to force people to not be creative. But this will be their downfall in the always occurring end (dynamic system ever changing system remember) for not being able to cope with inevitable problems of life.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Just read about the parietal region of the brain...

 

[William Gaatjes]

To show you about the parietal region of the brain :
It does not seem to exist. It seems that spirituality is a dynamic system...
It makes sense, depending on the age the brain can rewire and recover from almost any situation. It just needs a little help, stimulation. The right state of mind.
Well, best read it yourself...

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-04-distinct-god-brain.html

Distinct 'God spot' in the brain does not exist
April 19, 2012 in Neuroscience

Scientists have speculated that the human brain features a "God spot," one distinct area of the brain responsible for spirituality. Now, University of Missouri researchers have completed research that indicates spirituality is a complex phenomenon, and multiple areas of the brain are responsible for the many aspects of spiritual experiences. Based on a previously published study that indicated spiritual transcendence is associated with decreased right parietal lobe functioning, MU researchers replicated their findings. In addition, the researchers determined that other aspects of spiritual functioning are related to increased activity in the frontal lobe.

"We have found a neuropsychological basis for spirituality, but it's not isolated to one specific area of the brain," said Brick Johnstone, professor of health psychology in the School of Health Professions. "Spirituality is a much more dynamic concept that uses many parts of the brain. Certain parts of the brain play more predominant roles, but they all work together to facilitate individuals' spiritual experiences."

In the most recent study, Johnstone studied 20 people with traumatic brain injuries affecting the right parietal lobe, the area of the brain situated a few inches above the right ear. He surveyed participants on characteristics of spirituality, such as how close they felt to a higher power and if they felt their lives were part of a divine plan. He found that the participants with more significant injury to their right parietal lobe showed an increased feeling of closeness to a higher power.

"Neuropsychology researchers consistently have shown that impairment on the right side of the brain decreases one's focus on the self," Johnstone said. "Since our research shows that people with this impairment are more spiritual, this suggests spiritual experiences are associated with a decreased focus on the self. This is consistent with many religious texts that suggest people should concentrate on the well-being of others rather than on themselves."

Johnstone says the right side of the brain is associated with self-orientation, whereas the left side is associated with how individuals relate to others. Although Johnstone studied people with brain injury, previous studies of Buddhist meditators and Franciscan nuns with normal brain function have shown that people can learn to minimize the functioning of the right side of their brains to increase their spiritual connections during meditation and prayer.

In addition, Johnstone measured the frequency of participants' religious practices, such as how often they attended church or listened to religious programs. He measured activity in the frontal lobe and found a correlation between increased activity in this part of the brain and increased participation in religious practices.

"This finding indicates that spiritual experiences are likely associated with different parts of the brain," Johnstone said.

The study, "Right parietal lobe 'selflessness' as the neuropsychological basis of spiritual transcendence," was published in the International Journal of the Psychology of Religion.

You might think, what in earth does this has to do with the subject of the OP (me) ? Well, indirectly it is all about spirituality, to work together, to be enlightened, to have the most positive motive towards everything around you and the most positive attitude about everything around you.
Having such a state of mind makes social skills easy and solving problems even easier. And since you look out for others, it is also a lot easier to do self reflection. Because you want to maintain standards for others, you also have to maintain yourself to those same standards. That is quite a puzzle and ask for creative problem solving skills.

Something parents sometimes have a problem while explaining the children why they cannot do the same things as the parents themselves do...