More Totally Not Stealing Elections in Michigan

[Fenixgoon]

Soooo this is a conspiracy to commit election fraud, right?

Michigan GOP leaders encourage rule breaking at poll worker training session

The evening before Michigan's state primary, Wayne County GOP leaders held a Zoom training session for poll workers and partisan observers -- warning them about "bad stuff happening" during the election and encouraging them to ignore local election rules barring cell phones and pens from polling...

www.cnn.com

The evening before Michigan's state primary, Wayne County GOP leaders held a Zoom training session for poll workers and partisan observers -- warning them about "bad stuff happening" during the election and encouraging them to ignore local election rules barring cell phones and pens from polling places and vote-counting centers.
"None of the constraints that they're putting on this are legal," former state senator Patrick Colbeck told trainees on the August 1 call.
As far as cell phones, "I would say maybe just hide it or something, and maybe hide a small pad and a small pen or something like that because you need to take accurate notes," Cheryl Costantino, the GOP county chairwoman and host of the call, told participants.
Some participants raised concerns about being tossed out if they broke the rules. "That's why you got to do it secretly," Costantino replied.

 

[BoomerD]

Nothing to see here...just move along and let your betters work.

 

[crashtech]

I haven't looked into the rules, but no pens seems a bit strange. Are all writing instruments forbidden?

 

[Leeea]

I haven't looked into the rules, but no pens seems a bit strange. Are all writing instruments forbidden?

probably do not want people marking the ballots themselves ...

 

[dawp]

probably do not want people marking the ballots themselves ...

more like erasable markers so the votes can be changed.

 

[Leeea]

more like erasable markers so the votes can be changed.

I would be more worried about people messing with the envelopes and such, disqualifying absentee votes by altering the signature. Messing with the box numbers. Etc.

 

[crashtech]

If I was an observer I would want to be afforded the ability to take notes, even if it was with a red pencil or some other easily identifiable instrument provided by the poll workers.

 

[iRONic]

No SHARPIES!

 

[MtnMan]

I haven't looked into the rules, but no pens seems a bit strange. Are all writing instruments forbidden?

Poll workers do not need a pen. Voter info is entered on a keyboard. The voter signs at that point, then go to a private voting booth to mark their ballot, with the pen provided in the booth. NO ONE working there or monitoring the process, or tabulating the votes, needs a pen.

Only voters mark ballots, thus only voters should be allowed to have a pen.

 

[eelw]

If I was an observer I would want to be afforded the ability to take notes, even if it was with a red pencil or some other easily identifiable instrument provided by the poll workers.

Why? You see something of concern, you report it immediately.

 

[crashtech]

I've never been a poll observer, so I don't know how it works. Is there a real concern that these individuals would engage in actual fraud? Has it happened before?

 

[eelw]

I've never been a poll observer, so I don't know how it works. Is there a real concern that these individuals would engage in actual fraud? Has it happened before?

The concern from this report was that it wasn’t just poll watchers but actually poll workers on this training session

 

[crashtech]

Certainly workers need to be held to a higher standard. Recent developments have been interesting, years ago I was always told that election fraud did not exist. Perhaps it is good for everyone to receive extra scrutiny, given what is now becoming a long history of eroding faith in the process.

 

[ivwshane]

Certainly workers need to be held to a higher standard. Recent developments have been interesting, years ago I was always told that election fraud did not exist. Perhaps it is good for everyone to receive extra scrutiny, given what is now becoming a long history of eroding faith in the process.

What do you think telling poll workers to do illegal things instills?

You complain about losing the faith in the process while simultaneously ignoring an act that does just that!

Do you not see the contradiction?

 

[crashtech]

I didn't complain, nor am I ignoring anything.

 

[ivwshane]

I didn't complain, nor am I ignoring anything.

Well then perhaps you should change the ten posts you have talking about being able to use a pen to something that addresses the actual issue at hand.

 

[crashtech]

Well then perhaps you should change the ten posts you have talking about being able to use a pen to something that addresses the actual issue at hand.

Oh, my, aren't you presumptuous? I have a better idea. You delete your posts first.

 

[ivwshane]

Oh, my, aren't you presumptuous? I have a better idea. You delete your posts first.

Lol I guess if you don’t care how your posts are coming across well then I won’t waste my time.

 

[Meghan54]

I didn't complain, nor am I ignoring anything.

LO-Fucking-L. I didn’t complain…I just voiced my non-concern concern.

^ Yeah, just another one of “those special” idiots.

 

[Braznor]

And..................... its begun!!!!

 

[hal2kilo]

I've never been a poll observer, so I don't know how it works. Is there a real concern that these individuals would engage in actual fraud? Has it happened before?

Think Florida, think Proud Boys Brooks Brothers.

2000 Florida recount: How the ‘Brooks Brothers Riot’ killed the Bush-Gore recount in Miami - The Washington Post

 

[nakedfrog]

Certainly workers need to be held to a higher standard. Recent developments have been interesting, years ago I was always told that election fraud did not exist. Perhaps it is good for everyone to receive extra scrutiny, given what is now becoming a long history of eroding faith in the process.

Hm, I think the context is usually "in-person voter fraud is extremely rare", not "election fraud does not exist". Tell me more about this eroding faith, what do you think is responsible for that, in the light of audit after audit after audit?

 

[crashtech]

Hm, I think the context is usually "in-person voter fraud is extremely rare", not "election fraud does not exist". Tell me more about this eroding faith, what do you think is responsible for that, in the light of audit after audit after audit?

My memory of it goes back to 2000, with hanging chads, followed by HRC's 2002 assertion of "selected, not elected."

The First Families Square Off

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www.newsweek.com

Obviously it didn't begin or end with these, but you've been told something about eroding faith now.

 

[crashtech]

Also I would say that if these poll workers or their handlers are doing something illegal, they should be disqualified from serving. But some overzealous or wrong instructions do not on their own make election fraud, they make something that bears watching.

 

[woolfe9998]

Poll workers do not need a pen. Voter info is entered on a keyboard. The voter signs at that point, then go to a private voting booth to mark their ballot, with the pen provided in the booth. NO ONE working there or monitoring the process, or tabulating the votes, needs a pen.

Only voters mark ballots, thus only voters should be allowed to have a pen.

Right, they don't need pens. Another reason given for the rule is more recent, and it's ironic in this context, in that given the political climate right now with all the unfounded accusations of fraud by poll workers, they don't want any partisan observers seeing them with pens. Because who knows what conspiracy theories they would manufacture.

Ironic, of course, because these election denying assholes are training conservative poll workers to break the rule and sneak pens into polling locations, but if these same assholes saw poll workers who they did not think were part of their political tribe carrying pens, we know what they would say. They've convinced themselves, or claim to believe, that people on the left are committing fraud, and hence they feel justified in having one set of rules for themselves and another for everyone else.