More sleep = more tired??

Rkonster

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When I sleep about 4-5 hours at night, I feel really tired the next day, but I seem to be able to make it. The times where I tried to go to bed early, and sleep about 7 hours, I feel much more tired, and I find myself much more groggy. Anyone else experience this or have any idea why?
 

Chronoshock

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I know what you're talking about, 6 hours is good and like 7 is bad. I think the reasoning behind this is REM cycles. These are about 90 minutes so if you wake up after a REM cycle is done, you will feel awake, just not totally refreshed. If you wake up in the middle of one, you'll probably feel "incomplete" like you want to finish that dream. Try sleeping in intervals of 90 min and see if that helps
 

Kalvin00

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Originally posted by: Chronoshock
If you wake up in the middle of one, you'll probably feel "incomplete" like you want to finish that dream.

That happened this morning when I was woken up by an earthquake at 4:15. :|:D
 

StrangerGuy

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Originally posted by: Chronoshock
I know what you're talking about, 6 hours is good and like 7 is bad. I think the reasoning behind this is REM cycles. These are about 90 minutes so if you wake up after a REM cycle is done, you will feel awake, just not totally refreshed. If you wake up in the middle of one, you'll probably feel "incomplete" like you want to finish that dream. Try sleeping in intervals of 90 min and see if that helps


Is that scientifically proven? :)
 

Chronoshock

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Originally posted by: Kalvin00
Originally posted by: Chronoshock
If you wake up in the middle of one, you'll probably feel "incomplete" like you want to finish that dream.

That happened this morning when I was woken up by an earthquake at 4:15. :|:D

How bad was it?
 

Chronoshock

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Originally posted by: StrangerGuy
Originally posted by: Chronoshock
I know what you're talking about, 6 hours is good and like 7 is bad. I think the reasoning behind this is REM cycles. These are about 90 minutes so if you wake up after a REM cycle is done, you will feel awake, just not totally refreshed. If you wake up in the middle of one, you'll probably feel "incomplete" like you want to finish that dream. Try sleeping in intervals of 90 min and see if that helps


Is that scientifically proven? :)

Well I'm going off what I talked about in intro psych. Keep in mind this is INTRO psych tho so I'm sure there's a lot more to it, but the idea of REM cycles is scientifically valid
 

Kalvin00

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Originally posted by: Chronoshock
Originally posted by: Kalvin00
Originally posted by: Chronoshock
If you wake up in the middle of one, you'll probably feel "incomplete" like you want to finish that dream.

That happened this morning when I was woken up by an earthquake at 4:15. :|:D

How bad was it?

It was a 3.4 (centered about 5 miles south of my house), but all it mainly did was make the whole house crack really loud. I don't remember any shaking at all. No lamps were swaying,etc.
 

nakedfrog

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9 hours will usually allow me to wake up 100% refreshed with no tiredness whatsoever. Anything less, and I'm tired when I wake up. Anything more, and it takes me a bit to get back up to speed.
 

bleeb

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Actually I find the optimum time to wake up is as soon as you are conscious of being able to...

This is around 5-6 hours of sleep.
 

Arkitech

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Originally posted by: bleeb
Actually I find the optimum time to wake up is as soon as you are conscious of being able to...

This is around 5-6 hours of sleep.

I think thats the ticket for me too except I usually need between 7-9 hours
 

SimsFreak

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I get maybe a few hours of sleep a night and I feel good just as if I got 20 hours or sleep. Then I get tired later but then a shower always fixes that!
 

nageov3t

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the only way for me to feel fully rested is to sleep until I wake up on my own. sometimes it takes 5-6 hours, and sometimes it takes 8-9 hours.

on average, I get about 7-8 hours, but I'm almost always woken up by the alarm clock unless I have the day off.
 

Gravity

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I think the REM notion has some validity to it.

I drink coffee so I have no clue how tired I am on any given day.

I think I slept for about 3 hours in the last 48.

It's gotta get better.
 

Jamie571

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>8 hours sometimes wake up feeling ok other times wake up and feel slightly tired all day

7-8 hours wake up feeling pretty good

5-6 hours wake up feeling tired for most of the morning

<5 hours wake up feeling tired most of the day
 

Chunkee

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Originally posted by: Gravity
I think the REM notion has some validity to it.

I drink coffee so I have no clue how tired I am on any given day.

I think I slept for about 3 hours in the last 48.

It's gotta get better.

depends on the dreams
 

jjones

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Originally posted by: bleeb
Actually I find the optimum time to wake up is as soon as you are conscious of being able to...

This is around 5-6 hours of sleep.
I agree and it's around 6 - 7 hours for me. Any more than 7 hours sleep and I feel like sh!t; really lethargic all day.
 

jamesbond007

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My boss even noticed that my work output is higher when I get 3-4 hours of sleep the night before. If I get 7+ hours, I am very slow and the day seems to drag.

Note: I do not have a regular sleeping schedule...sometimes I'll sleep 3-4 hours a whole day and sometimes I'll take a 1-2 hour nap in the afternoon or early evening to freshen up again. I've been doing this for the past few years and I feel great always! I do not drink coffee or sodas. I do drink lots of Gatorade and exercise a lot, so perhaps this is why I can slide by with such few hours?

I'm not sure...:p
 

rezinn

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It differs between people, but you need about 7 hours of sleep per night to allow everything to happen to keep correct hormone levels. I remember from endocrinology that certain hormones peak early and late in the night, and for a typical person it takes 7 hours after falling asleep to complete these cycles. Based on this, anything over 6-7 hours is probably fine. There might be some way that people who sleep less can adapt, however.
 

0roo0roo

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your body is probably trying to repay its sleep debt finally, but 6 hrs isnt enough. your "normal" feeling at 4hours is probably just what you've gotten used to. less then optimal.
 

PanzerIV

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On the weekends if I sleep more than eight hours the majority of the time I actually feel worse than if I got my normal six hours or less during the work week. I don't feel fully refreshed with less sleep either but I do fell better than getting too much. I never could figure that one out...