More senators lining up for Nelson's sweetheart deals

[spidey07]

This is probably a good thing. It could kill the bill. I was wondering if or when this would happen. The "me too!" is too strong to resist and if nelson could do it, then so can they.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/200...eeking-special-treatment-light-nebraska-deal/

Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson, after securing a sweetheart deal for his state as part of the health insurance reform bill, said Tuesday that three other senators have told him they want to bargain for the same kind of special treatment.

 

[Genx87]

lol

 

[EagleKeeper]

The previous Senate vote was to shut off debate, not to approve the bill.

And given that the Senate is doing this; be sure the House will impose instructions on it's negotiators with a shopping list when it comes to the joint compromise.

Why not just write into the bill that Medicare costs will be borne by the Federal Government.

Cost balancing/neutrality has already gone out the window

 

[Ausm]

News Flash: This is the first time in the history of the senate that backroom deals were made to sway a congressman/women!

 

[highland145]

Curious about the constitutionality issue of treating states differently. It says all states have to be treated equal by the govt. Hand outs for a few and the rest bear the burden sounds like a problem but I'm looking for some other input.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

I'm seriously contemplating writing my liberal D senator and asking him what he got for us in exchange for his Yes vote. If he got nothing then he is a tool.

Pay to play, baby. The Chicago way.

 

[Ausm]

I'm seriously contemplating writing my liberal D senator and asking him what he got for us in exchange for his Yes vote. If he got nothing then he is a tool.

Pay to play, baby. The Chicago way.

Umm it's not only Chicago it's Washington. Welcome to politics.

 

[MotF Bane]

Curious about the constitutionality issue of treating states differently. It says all states have to be treated equal by the govt. Hand outs for a few and the rest bear the burden sounds like a problem but I'm looking for some other input.

Corruption wins. Everyone loses.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Curious about the constitutionality issue of treating states differently. It says all states have to be treated equal by the govt. Hand outs for a few and the rest bear the burden sounds like a problem but I'm looking for some other input.

grow up...this sort of thing happens all the time to get bills passed!!

 

[sciwizam]

News Flash: This is the first time in the history of the senate that backroom deals were made to sway a congressman/women!

Time to get a new hard drive for my DVR. Couldn't keep up with all the CSPAN broadcasts of the healthcare meetings and deals, so tried to record them for later viewings and even the DVR ran out of space.

 

[spidey07]

I'm seriously contemplating writing my liberal D senator and asking him what he got for us in exchange for his Yes vote. If he got nothing then he is a tool.

Pay to play, baby. The Chicago way.

Yeah. That's the campaign on a huge board I visit. They're all calling their D senators and demanding they get the same deal. So call them and them them it's not fair. Make sure to tell them you are a liberal democrat.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Curious about the constitutionality issue of treating states differently. It says all states have to be treated equal by the govt. Hand outs for a few and the rest bear the burden sounds like a problem but I'm looking for some other input.

That is a question I asked in another thread and people seem to have ignored. I wonder if other states could challenge the legislation on these grounds.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

grow up...this sort of thing happens all the time to get bills passed!!

Oh well then heck, it MUST be OK since it happens ALL THE TIME!

 

[Ausm]

Oh well then heck, it MUST be OK since it happens ALL THE TIME!

Welcome to reality.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Welcome to reality.

Ah...so that's the new mantra now. Wasn't somebody campaigning on "changing the game" in Washington?

Oh well, back to the status quo I guess. Hope and change, amirite?!

 

[EagleKeeper]

Curious about the constitutionality issue of treating states differently. It says all states have to be treated equal by the govt. Hand outs for a few and the rest bear the burden sounds like a problem but I'm looking for some other input.

That is a question I asked in another thread and people seem to have ignored. I wonder if other states could challenge the legislation on these grounds.

Much will depend on how the final wording is put in place.

Also, to challenge based on unfairness could open a can of worms that no state wants open.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Ah...so that's the new mantra now. Wasn't somebody campaigning on "changing the game" in Washington?

Oh well, back to the status quo I guess. Hope and change, amirite?!

I see I need to remind you of the cardinal rule of AT P&N:

If Democrats do it, it is "necessary" or "reality."

If Republicans do it, it is "corruption," "obstruction," or any other "-tion" with negative connotations that you can type.

 

[highland145]

grow up...this sort of thing happens all the time to get bills passed!!

If I grew up any more, I'd be dead.

I don't disagree that, for the most part, it's every man for himself in the U.S. But that doesn't address the constitutionality of it. Any serious thoughts?

 

[Ausm]

I see I need to remind you of the cardinal rule of AT P&N:

If Democrats do it, it is "necessary" or "reality."

If Republicans do it, it is "corruption," "obstruction," or any other "-tion" with negative connotations that you can type.

If you want to see obstruction in action go back and watch reruns of CSPAN from about July on...

 

[Ausm]

Ah...so that's the new mantra now. Wasn't somebody campaigning on "changing the game" in Washington?

Oh well, back to the status quo I guess. Hope and change, amirite?!

WTF are you blaming the Democrats for President Obama going DINO...

 

[Moonbeam]

It's good the democrats are in power. All the assholes that support the right get to see how they have been doing politics for years, but because they were the ones doing it, it was invisible to them. Always and everywhere, when the other guy does the crime, we see it with bitter clarity. Outrage is a wound we inflict on ourselves via our own selective stupidity. Mommy Mommy, Johnny is getting away with a crime. You have to punish him, Mommy. Punish him for me. Make me feel loved. Please, Mommy, please!

Welcome to the world of suffering for those still in diapers.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

WTF are you blaming the Democrats for President Obama going DINO...

DINO...nice.

Are you calling them Democrat In Name Only?!

You know what, now that I do think about it, we do need more "progressive liberals" like Nancy Pelosi to run for office. That way, they can get absolutely shellacked outside of their liberal safe havens like California and Massachusetts.

So, I'm confused now. Who's to blame for this mess? Republicans? Blue Dogs? Obama? Who HASN'T the rabid left tried to blame yet?!

 

[Ausm]

DINO...nice.

Are you calling them Democrat In Name Only?!

In my opinion, President Obama is dangerously leaning that way does that give you a hard on?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

If you want to see obstruction in action go back and watch reruns of CSPAN from about July on...

Requesting debate on provisions of a bill, requesting that it actually be read, and/or objecting to provisions in a bill is not obstructionism. Instead, if you are looking to "blame" anyone for "obstructionism," how about you point your finger at the Blue Dogs, whom you lovingly referred to as DINO? Had they merely toed the party line, none of this would have happened.

And, if you are actually referring to Republicans invoking seemingly arcane Senatorial procedures as delay tactics, please allow me to quote you from earlier in this thread: "Welcome to reality." Funny how that works both ways, eh?

 

[Ausm]

Requesting debate on provisions of a bill, requesting that it actually be read, and/or objecting to provisions in a bill is not obstructionism. Instead, if you are looking to "blame" anyone for "obstructionism," how about you point your finger at the Blue Dogs, whom you lovingly referred to as DINO? Had they merely toed the party line, none of this would have happened.

And, if you are actually referring to Republicans invoking seemingly arcane Senatorial procedures as delay tactics, please allow me to quote you from earlier in this thread: "Welcome to reality." Funny how that works both ways, eh?

So basically you want the Democrats to do what your party does and expel all the moderates so we can have a minority in Congress due to the limited appeal they would have to the voters?