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More Republicans trying to whitewash slavery

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ewdotson

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I mean, it's entirely true that the 3/5s Compromise came about because the South wanted their slaves to count for the purposes of calculating representation and the North wanted them to not count. But if one's takeaway from that fact is "so the 3/5s Compromise was totes a good thing" and not "which shows you how this country was founded on white supremacy (since God knows "should Black people be allowed to vote" wasn't part of the conversation)", I just don't don't even.

(Also, this fact is a fine example of why the electoral college is build upon a fatally flawed base.)
 

dank69

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I don't get why anyone would want to portray it as anything other than what it was. The Southern states purchased slaves, and treated them as slaves. Why try to hide that? No one alive today ever owned a slave, most people don't have a distant ancestor that owned a slave. Everyone that committed those crimes is dead, and everyone that was enslaved is dead as well. Why try to clean it up now?
It really hurts their "you can't say anything bad about 'Murica" narrative.
 

hal2kilo

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Feb 24, 2009
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The depth of ignorance it required to create that sentence is truly astounding. Just the grammar, oh god the grammar, brought me to my knees, but then when I finally parsed the idea you are trying to convey...
I'm literally left in awe. Want to educate you, but I am at a loss on how to even approach the fortress of stupidity you must have built around your mind to think that this post was a good idea.
I'm sorry. I'm really at a loss here. How do you even approach explaining this to someone?
Same shit, different day.
 

Greenman

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It really hurts their "you can't say anything bad about 'Murica" narrative.
Which is world class stupid. None of us did it, we have no guilt, no responsibility, and no need to be shamed by what occurred.
 

ivwshane

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May 15, 2000
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See, that's the last thing I take away from this situation. What's infinitely more concerning to me is that so many people think that America shouldn't be criticized.
If you don’t criticize America, as an American, as a politician, then there isn’t any issues to fix. No issues to address means no work needs to be done except to ensure ones re-election and that’s where we are at right now. One party only cares about staying in power and raising money while the other wants to make America better. Convince me I’m wrong.
 

dank69

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If you don’t criticize America, as an American, as a politician, then there isn’t any issues to fix. No issues to address means no work needs to be done except to ensure ones re-election and that’s where we are at right now. One party only cares about staying in power and raising money while the other wants to make America better. Convince me I’m wrong.
It's worse than that. They actually think criticizing America is un-American.
 

MrSquished

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Which is world class stupid. None of us did it, we have no guilt, no responsibility, and no need to be shamed by what occurred.
Those who don't learn from history. Well, I'll leave it at what you said is really stupid.

I'm pretty sure these people are still not over the whole losing that Civil war thing. LIterally a huge part of the base of the GQP. Not a fringe.


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Meghan54

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I don't get why anyone would want to portray it as anything other than what it was. The Southern states purchased slaves, and treated them as slaves. Why try to hide that? No one alive today ever owned a slave, most people don't have a distant ancestor that owned a slave. Everyone that committed those crimes is dead, and everyone that was enslaved is dead as well. Why try to clean it up now?
I was just wondering why it was important to mention most people don’t have an ancestor that owned slaves, yet completely and “innocently” forgot to mention most blacks in America DO HAVE ancestors that were slaves…a very important distinction and no mention made of it by you.

Things that make you go “Hmmmmmm….”
 

hal2kilo

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I was just wondering why it was important to mention most people don’t have an ancestor that owned slaves, yet completely and “innocently” forgot to mention most blacks in America DO HAVE ancestors that were slaves…a very important distinction and no mention made of it by you.

Things that make you go “Hmmmmmm….”
Do enough digging and you may be sadly surprised. My brother is into genealogy, and does research about people for a government agency for a living. I have a digitized document from Missouri describing my great great grandfather on my father's side list of property upon his death. Seems he owned eight unfortunate souls. United Negro college fund will be in my will.
 
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GodisanAtheist

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Folks should take some time to actually read the Confederate Constitution as well as the articles of secession of the Confederate States of America.

The CSA constitution is a straight up copy paste of the US Constitution, makes some precedural changes that allows individual states less oversight by the central government and does one very interesting thing: it specifically bars any state in the confederacy from abolishing slavery. Yep, being Pro-Slavery is literally the one requirement of being a CSA state.

Articles of secession basically boil down to:
-The supremacy of the white races.
-The inferiority of the negro
-Ergo white people should be able to own black people as the natural order of things.

There is some more nuance and legal arguments about how state A was denied money to grow crop X and what have you in there, but it always ends up coming back to slavery.

A lot of folks have really bought into the myth of the lost cause and the states rights thing (my public school and teachers in southern California taught this), but read some source material and it becomes very plain that the CSA seceded because it felt the institution of slavery was under threat.
 

tweaker2

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So we learn our lessons and make things right by acknowledging that our past behavior as a nation had some very bad experiences and those experiences should be addressed and dealt with through apologies and reparations.

Now, what's so wrong with that? It's the historical facts of our experiment with democracy, up to and including how some southern states seceded from the union, fought a war over keeping slaves as a god given right and lost that war for the betterment of all who came after it.

For those who would rather bury their shame by rewriting history or even declare how proud they are over their ancestor's past practices by keeping the tradition of white supremacy over all others alive and well? Let's leave them behind us as the regressive racist throwbacks that they are and have the rest of us move on by admitting our faults as a nation and make amends for them.

If after all this time they find it to their advantage that their wounds should fester rather than be healed, so let it be. All they're going to come to realize is that they're being left behind as relics of a distant past with lessons never learned, being ignored and relegated into obscurity.
 

SMOGZINN

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All they're going to come to realize is that they're being left behind as relics of a distant past with lessons never learned, being ignored and relegated into obscurity.
That would be great and all except that they keep winning elections, so they are less a relic of the distant past as a major power of the present and does not seem likely to change.
 

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