More Republican voter suppression, Georgia style.

[HomerJS]

Even Republicans know the less people voting, the better they do. As long as they can stop the "right kind" of voter


https://www.yahoo.com/news/georgia-stops-voting-felons-using-broadest-reading-law-150804500.html

 

[Sgt. York]

Felons on parole in California can't vote and CA is owned by Democrats.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Felons on parole in California can't vote and CA is owned by Democrats.

perhaps it is a universally bad policy that is rooted in a terrible legacy or racism? "both-siderism" doesnt prohibit the critque of bad policy, especially if the use of this statue is a recent development in Georgia

 

[glenn1]

perhaps it is a universally bad policy that is rooted in a terrible legacy or racism? "both-siderism" doesnt prohibit the critque of bad policy, especially if the use of this statue is a recent development in Georgia

One could make a good faith argument against current felons voting (for example Buttigieg seems opposed although I don't know if that's an absolute and forever objection). On the surface I think there's reasonable moral justification to allow felon voting except certain cases (e.g. for those convicted of voting fraud, etc). I don't think my position is absolute and I guess that if a skillful enough argument was made I might reconsider, but I'm guessing my flexibility would be mainly on edge cases instead of the general principle.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...ould-be-able-to-vote-from-prison-i-dont-think

 

[HomerJS]

Felons on parole in California can't vote and CA is owned by Democrats.

Bad policy is bad policy but just a couple of nuances...

California is looking to change policy but it requires a constitutional amendment.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article225198485.html
Georgia is using a broad interpretation by GA legislators and is enacting.
Republicans already a proven reputation of racist intentions when enacting voter suppression. Proven in court many times.

 

[pcgeek11]

From the article:

Felons seeking to restore their voting rights must not only finish their prison sentences, but also any parole or probation, as well as pay any outstanding court fines. That has a big effect in Georgia, which has more people on probation than any other state.

I don't understand the problem with these requirements. Sounds like lots of other states including CA...

 

[1sikbITCH]

Even Republicans know the less people voting, the better they do. As long as they can stop the "right kind" of voter


https://www.yahoo.com/news/georgia-stops-voting-felons-using-broadest-reading-law-150804500.html

Too bad we can't send ole Willy T back down there to remind those folks they ain't the HNIC. Ahh... to MAGA once again...

 

[ivwshane]

Does everybody understand the issue and the reasoning for allowing people in jail to vote?

It seems like there are those that do understand the issue while others see it as partisan way to get votes.

I myself am torn on the issue. While I agree that anyone who completes their sentence should have their rights restored, I don't believe criminals should be allowed to exercise their right. However, the fact that our legal system is not fair and balanced and in some cases it has targeted certain types of people, leads me to believe that in order to ensure peoples voices aren't suppressed, even criminals should be allowed to vote. Again, however, there can be reconciliation between the two positions and that is to allow non violent criminals the ability to vote. So killers, rapist, domestic abusers, won't be allowed to vote but others will be.

 

[Zorba]

Does everybody understand the issue and the reasoning for allowing people in jail to vote?

It seems like there are those that do understand the issue while others see it as partisan way to get votes.

I myself am torn on the issue. While I agree that anyone who completes their sentence should have their rights restored, I don't believe criminals should be allowed to exercise their right. However, the fact that our legal system is not fair and balanced and in some cases it has targeted certain types of people, leads me to believe that in order to ensure peoples voices aren't suppressed, even criminals should be allowed to vote. Again, however, there can be reconciliation between the two positions and that is to allow non violent criminals the ability to vote. So killers, rapist, domestic abusers, won't be allowed to vote but others will be.

I'm with you, I'm open to debate on current felons. I also agree that after you have served your time you should get your right to vote back, without paying court fees, etc.

 

[HomerJS]

From the article:



I don't understand the problem with these requirements. Sounds like lots of other states including CA...

It's why they are doing it. We both know the history of Republican voter suppression in the courts.

 

[brycejones]

From the article:



I don't understand the problem with these requirements. Sounds like lots of other states including CA...

I am not shocked you don’t understand the reasoning or how we got here. I believe this subject has been beat to death before here so a forum search should turn up some info. I believe NPR and several other mainstream media outlets have done reporting on the subject as well. The information is out there if you are willing to be educated. Or are your feels enough and willfully ignorant is how you chose to live?

 

[Jhhnn]

From the article:



I don't understand the problem with these requirements. Sounds like lots of other states including CA...

People on probation & parole have the same stake in this country as the rest of us. Afaict, there's no benefit to society in denying them the vote. It leaves too much room for people with honest intentions to re-offend by voting when they shouldn't. It leads to some extremely unequal outcomes from state to state, particularly where they're big on grandstanding & fuckovers-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ng-while-on-probation/?utm_term=.073f182e5204

Why in the world any honest person thinks we need such complications is unfathomable to me-

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/presumed-guilty-ex-felons-face-barriers-to-voting-rights

Edit- probation & parole

 

[pcgeek11]

Does everybody understand the issue and the reasoning for allowing people in jail to vote?

It seems like there are those that do understand the issue while others see it as partisan way to get votes.

I myself am torn on the issue. While I agree that anyone who completes their sentence should have their rights restored, I don't believe criminals should be allowed to exercise their right. However, the fact that our legal system is not fair and balanced and in some cases it has targeted certain types of people, leads me to believe that in order to ensure peoples voices aren't suppressed, even criminals should be allowed to vote. Again, however, there can be reconciliation between the two positions and that is to allow non violent criminals the ability to vote. So killers, rapist, domestic abusers, won't be allowed to vote but others will be.

I never thought I would say it, but I feel pretty much the same way.

Once your entire debt is paid you should be able to get the right to vote again. This with allowing minor non-violent criminals to vote.

Hell is probably freezing over as I type this.

 

[pcgeek11]

It's why they are doing it. We both know the history of Republican voter suppression in the courts.

I disagree, It is no more than many blue states from what I understand.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I disagree, It is no more than many blue states from what I understand.

Prove it.

 

[pcgeek11]

I am not shocked you don’t understand the reasoning or how we got here. I believe this subject has been beat to death before here so a forum search should turn up some info. I believe NPR and several other mainstream media outlets have done reporting on the subject as well. The information is out there if you are willing to be educated. Or are your feels enough and willfully ignorant is how you chose to live?

As stated there are plenty of blue states that also require the completion of parole and or probation.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/felon-voting-rights.aspx

Lost Until Completion of Sentence (Parole and/or Probation | Automatic Restoration After:

California (2)
Connecticut
Minnesota
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York (5)
Washington

(2) In 2016, California passed legislation allowing those in county jails to vote while incarcerated, but not those in state or federal prison.

(5) New York Governor Andrew Cuomo issued an executive order removing the restriction on parolees voting. New York already allows those on probation to vote. The order may be challenged in court.

 

[pcgeek11]

Prove it.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/felon-voting-rights.aspx

I guess that the added part of paying fines and restitution may be more, but in my opinion that is part of the debt to society. I do not feel it is over the top in any case compared to other states.

I will say my personal belief is more in line with what was stated above by ivwshane.

 

[Victorian Gray]

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/felon-voting-rights.aspx

I guess that the added part of paying fines and restitution may be more, but in my opinion that is part of the debt to society. I do not feel it is over the top in any case compared to other states.

I will say my personal belief is more in line with what was stated above by ivwshane.

And all that has exactly what to do with the record of republican voter suppression that was referred to: "We both know the history of Republican voter suppression in the courts."

and your apparent claim that Democratic states are the same: "I disagree, It is no more than many blue states from what I understand".

 

[brycejones]

As stated there are plenty of blue states that also require the completion of parole and or probation.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/felon-voting-rights.aspx

Lost Until Completion of Sentence (Parole and/or Probation | Automatic Restoration After:

California (2)
Connecticut
Minnesota
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York (5)
Washington

(2) In 2016, California passed legislation allowing those in county jails to vote while incarcerated, but not those in state or federal prison.

(5) New York Governor Andrew Cuomo issued an executive order removing the restriction on parolees voting. New York already allows those on probation to vote. The order may be challenged in court.

Ignorant you remain. You obviously do not understand the WHY you are arguing the WHAT. I won’t spoon feed you because that never works.

 

[HomerJS]

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/felon-voting-rights.aspx

I guess that the added part of paying fines and restitution may be more, but in my opinion that is part of the debt to society. I do not feel it is over the top in any case compared to other states.

I will say my personal belief is more in line with what was stated above by ivwshane.

You completely ignore motive. Republicans have a history

 

[pcgeek11]

And all that has exactly what to do with the record of republican voter suppression that was referred to: "We both know the history of Republican voter suppression in the courts."

and your apparent claim that Democratic states are the same: "I disagree, It is no more than many blue states from what I understand".

Ignorant you remain. You obviously do not understand the WHY you are arguing the WHAT. I won’t spoon feed you because that never works.

You completely ignore motive. Republicans have a history

The law as stated doesn't suppress anymore than laws in many other states. As to why they are doing it is pure speculation on your part to say it is purely to suppress voting.

It seems odd that anything that is done in the south is automatically marked as racist etc...

 

[HomerJS]

The law as stated doesn't suppress anymore than laws in many other states. As to why they are doing it is pure speculation on your part to say it is purely to suppress voting.

It seems odd that anything that is done in the south is automatically marked as racist etc...

You are still ignoring the fact Republicans have been found guilty in court of racially motivated voter suppression. Then again you are not black so I don't expect you to care.

This is why GOP was so anxious to have Section 4 of the Voting Rights Act struck down.

 

[nickqt]

The law as stated doesn't suppress anymore than laws in many other states. As to why they are doing it is pure speculation on your part to say it is purely to suppress voting.

It seems odd that anything that is done in the south is automatically marked as racist etc...

As to why they are doing it...

Because as more eligible voters vote, less Republicans get elected.

It's an inverse correlation.

Here's a 39 year old explanation that everyone who isn't told what to think by right-wing thought leaders already knows.

 

[Victorian Gray]

The law as stated doesn't suppress anymore than laws in many other states. As to why they are doing it is pure speculation on your part to say it is purely to suppress voting.

It seems odd that anything that is done in the south is automatically marked as racist etc...

Keep dancing li'l fella.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I can play Devil's Advocate.

Sure, the prisons are filled with African-American potential voters. But you also have the Aryan Brotherhood. Do you want them to vote after they've done their insufficient time?

And why are Trumpies allowed to vote anyway? They have a Pre-Existing Derangement Condition. I wouldn't give them health insurance for it!