More reasons to bust up the unions
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Seems that this is the real problem:
Get those arbitrators working a normal schedule and clear the backlog.
Get those arbitrators working a normal schedule and clear the backlog.
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So true. People should be able to be fired for any reason. Only the fittest and most conformist should be allowed to work. And I don't want to go into any store anywhere if the person who helps me isn't fantastic looking. Let the fat, the old, the ugly and stupid go fuck themselves.
There's a good episode of This American Life that talks about these rooms from a few years back. Kind of upsetting.
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Who covers the cost of the additional a staffers.
Schools are being closed because of lack of funds.
The article says they are costing 85 mil as it is know.
kinda think a few additional arbitrators may save some money.
KB
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I was going to mention this.
http://www.thisamericanlife.or...pisode.aspx?sched=1286
It amazes me how much waste there is at tax-payer expense.
Hire the arbitrators as yearly or contract the work out. If the backlog was cleared, the rubber room teachers would either be canned or back to work, thus reducing costs.
we have got to get some competition with the public school system.
Everyone I know that can afford it (some are putting off retirement) are sending their kids to private school. Even as they are paying for public schools and this kind of stuff with outrageous taxes.
Everyone I know that can afford it (some are putting off retirement) are sending their kids to private school. Even as they are paying for public schools and this kind of stuff with outrageous taxes.
This kind of thinking "Schools are being closed because of lack of funds" is the problem to begin with. School funding is a bottomless pit that could devour ever dollar in existence and still not put out quality education. The problems that most schools have isn't with the schools and isn't fixable by the school system.
And everyone I know is sending their kids to public schools. Public schools are of variable quality. There's a reason why similar houses in towns with good school systems cost more.
Yet more terrorist attacks on regular working-class American citizens by big-business and corporate nutbags whose real agenda is to bust all unions everywhere-- so they can increase their million-dollar bonuses.
These are the people who've f'ed our economy, and yet they want nothing more than to leave working Americans unprotected from their corruption.
These are the people who've f'ed our economy, and yet they want nothing more than to leave working Americans unprotected from their corruption.
This isn't a union that is getting fleeced by big business.
It is doing the fleecing of "us" the taxpayer.
Let's put it this way. I have public and private options. The private options aren't any better than the public option where I am. That holds for any of the surrounding suburbs as well. The private schools only have the advantage over the "big city" schools and even that's only because of safety concerns.
In my city their is 1 high school out of 7 that everyone is moving into. You can't touch homes in this district for less than $400k on the low end. Even the teachers all want to move to teach in this district.
People with money move to this district, everyone else sends their kids to sub schools or struggles and goes private.
Reason? The schools have a monopoly on our tax education dollars.
How are the private schools in business if they are no better than the public schools?
Wouldn't the market dictate them as a failure?
Do you have people in your area that are paying money for the same education that they are getting in public school? Why would someone pay?
surfsatwerk
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You can't expect quality education to exist in a vacuum. In this case the vacuum is the students desire to learn. Without students that are excited about getting an education you can have the most motivated qualified teachers in the world and they'd make zero difference.
It's not the public school's fault that parents are raising lazy children.
dphantom
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I am no Union fan, but Unions are not all of the problem. Schools have added layers of bueracracy (administration) that was unheard of 20 years ago. Our kids graduated from public schools - one of the best in theState. But the HS had 4 assistant principals plus a separate freshman center with an additional principal and 1 assistant principal. Add in other admin staff and that is also where a lot of money goes.
More taxes/money is not necessarily the answer. All that will do is add more staff whcih may or may not fix the problem. Kids who do not want to be there and are not controlled by their parents will not get an education in most cases regardless of how many teachers or administrators there are. But schools put themselves into the position where they say "if parents won't do it, well we have to". Wrong, wrong wrong.
More taxes/money is not necessarily the answer. All that will do is add more staff whcih may or may not fix the problem. Kids who do not want to be there and are not controlled by their parents will not get an education in most cases regardless of how many teachers or administrators there are. But schools put themselves into the position where they say "if parents won't do it, well we have to". Wrong, wrong wrong.
1prophet
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Did the teachers have problems like these when they had the ability to discipline as well as teach?
I seen the documentary about the "Rubber Room" a while back and remember the interview with the students who bragged about how they can get rid of a teacher by accusing them of anything regardless if it is true or false.
With conditions like that who can effectively teach let alone want to?
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