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Jeff7

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Return of the Jedi is probably the weakest of the originals. Mainly for the Endor scenes, which I think were unnecessary. This is Lucas starting to slip into commercialized film making. It's very unlikely a troop of teddy bears could take down the Empire's best soldiers. Aside from that, I think the rest of the movie is strong. The scenes with the Emperor are brilliant. Plus it had the best space battle of the entire saga, all done without CGI.
It's a fun movie that I love to watch. Unfortunately, it's also been the most butchered of the originals, with the "new content" being largely pointless.
Oh come on, they had arrows, rocks, logs, and bolas, which were so advanced that they could, with but a single hit, kill a soldier wearing some manner of white armor which is supposedly resistant to the effects of both blunt impacts and laser blasts. They've probably got some kind of underground bunker system where their sophisticated R&D labs are housed, and just do the "We're just helpless primitive teddy bears" thing to keep the rest of the galaxy off their backs.



(Wouldn't that be more believable than what happened in the movie?)
 
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qliveur

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^Don't be surprised if your explanation gets retconned into canon. More ridiculous things have happened to this franchise.
People just kept hoping: "Maybe he makes it right in this next movie. Maybe he'll rediscover what made 'Star Wars' great."

Each time, further disappointment.
Exactly. It was pure fucking torture, and I will never forgive Lucas for it. May he burn in hell if there is one.
Most younger people I have met who didn't see the originals until after the prequels (watched them for the first time in numerical order) seem to think the newer ones are better movies. A veil of nostalgia seems to weight heavily on the originals.
Or they have no taste because they grew up watching Michael Bay movies.
 

HendrixFan

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well the problem with that criticism is that it sounds like you didn't watch it almost, he does apply it to the originals when he compares and contrasts what is wrong with the new ones compared to the old ones and gives examples.

I watched the first review in its entirety twice, and the other two fully one time. The first movie had the most wrong with it, for reasons that were pretty well covered in the review. Most of the problems can be smoothed over with a real editor. If you recall the first cut of the original Star Wars was a mess until someone (GL's wife) came in and cut it to something watchable. The "MagnoliaFan" edit of Episode 1 makes a great movie, its there hiding underneath.

Lucas certainly had his hands in too many facets of the movie, as is evidenced by the documentaries on the DVDs. Nearly every creative aspect he puts his hands on. This includes the editing room. Star Wars was at its best with Empire, where Lucas had the least influence. His ideas are great, his execution is poor. Leaving others to execute his ideas just works. His ideas and the basic storyline for the prequels are good. I know I indulged in all the spoilers I could and just about everything was exciting in theory.

i don't remember him demanding shakey cam as one of his primary grievances with the movies at all. he only said that the films were filmed in the most lazy way possible, shot, reverse shot, and edited together in the most soap opera manner possible, with people walking, and sitting all the time.

The Red Letter Media bit talking about the shot/reverse shot style also included the shaky cam bit. I thought you were referencing that point.

this isn't jsut a grievance from red letter media, the original movies were also cut horribly originally by lucas according to one of the original film editors that worked with him. You are always being told there is urgency in the story but you never feel it, the film never conveys anything, they just walk around like dopes on a cg set. It has nothing to do with shakey cam.

That comes back to editing again. There was little urgency in Empire other than the action scenes but it worked well. Most of Empire was building tension. I'm telling you, if you give teh "MagnoliaFan" edit of Episode 1 a try you will see things differently. It may not make it into an amazing movie to you, but it will shed a ton of light on how much better the movie can be with simple editing decisions.

Not having any major complaints in 2-3? Are you joking? Every complaint was major, or did you think that george lucas's take on love was dead on... lol.
" “I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything is soft and smooth.” – Anakin
Yea sounds like no major problems in that film right....

There was simply too much love story going on in Ep 2. Again, simple cuts would have reshaped it dramatically. There was a simple love story going through the originals too, but despite it being cheesy it never lingered so it never got tiring. Han Solo was a bit of a smooth talker too, his character demanded it. Anakin's character demands that he is socially inept and unable to properly deal with his emotions. Makes for a less interesting romance, so a good editor would have trimmed that crap down.

just symptomatic of no one around lucas being able to say WTF ARE YOU DOING!!!

Very true.
 

DirkGently1

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I started watching Revenge Of The Sith yesterday, as i fancied some Sci-Fi action. Turned it off after 10 minutes. The dialogue is excruciatingly bad, worse than i remember it being the first time around.

Lucus should be punished for ruining the Original franchise with the terribly written prequels.