More people killed in Washington DC than Iraq, time to pull out of D.C!

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
When the Neo Cons came to power with the Election of Dub their main goal was to overthrow the Hussien Regime in Iraq. By a pure stroke of fate, the 9/11 attack on the WTC created an opportunity that they may never of had to fullfill this goal. Afghanistan was just a primer for them as Iraq has always been their main adjective.

As Heartsurgeon demonstrated, the Democrats in Congress were totally blind to the Neo Cons ultimate motive and like most of the American Public were duped into believing the Lies and BS about Iraq being an imminent threat to our Home Security

In my opinion, this was not limited to Democrats. Many Republicans fall into the same boat. Many on both sides were duped by the neo-facsist (aka neo-con) juggernaut to conquer Iraq.

It's surreal that heartless surgeon would quote the democrats to defend his little war. The same democrats he hates so much. All it shows is that the congress failed to investigate the intel and the claims being made by the administration. They failed in a bi-partisan way to place restrictions on Bush by making him work with the UN, rather than buying Bush's promise that he would do so.

The fear and loathing after 9/11 made congress, on both sides of the aisle, vote for a war because not doing so might be a poor choice for their political careers. That sucks and I'm still pissed off at congress, but you have to keep in mind they aren't the ones who pushed for this war in the first place nor are they the ones that used questionable intel and claims to sell it.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

There's no vocal outrage in THIS thread HeartlessSurgeon, because it's painfully obvious why you posted it in the first place. People aren't taking your bait, because you've already beaten everyone to the punch and politicized the deaths in DC to make some feeble point about liberals who get stirred up over military deaths in Iraq.

i would say the obvious thing that the death in iraq are just as politicized by the libs. and in usual sociopathic and hypocritical fashion they chide other people for doing the exact same thing they are.

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Well, think about this: At least those liberals are upset about the military deaths in Iraq in the first place. Enough to post about it and get up in arms over it. Meanwhile, the administration goes out of its way to prevent publication of deaths and injuries in the media, and most of the pro-war folks around here rail on and on about how "...only bad news gets posted...."

i agree they are "up in arms"(notice the irony of that statement BTW) and go out of thier way to focus on the bad news to further thier political agenda. they ignore the fact that many things are better in iraq NOW than before the war. there is more electricity available to the people. medical care is more widely available NOW to everyone that before was only available for the baath socialist elite before the war. the terrorists that were a part of the regime in charge are trying to stop this and the liberals in this country are thier unwitting(and perhaps not so unwitting) allies.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

There's no vocal outrage in THIS thread HeartlessSurgeon, because it's painfully obvious why you posted it in the first place. People aren't taking your bait, because you've already beaten everyone to the punch and politicized the deaths in DC to make some feeble point about liberals who get stirred up over military deaths in Iraq.

i would say the obvious thing that the death in iraq are just as politicized by the libs. and in usual sociopathic and hypocritical fashion they chide other people for doing the exact same thing they are.

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Well, think about this: At least those liberals are upset about the military deaths in Iraq in the first place. Enough to post about it and get up in arms over it. Meanwhile, the administration goes out of its way to prevent publication of deaths and injuries in the media, and most of the pro-war folks around here rail on and on about how "...only bad news gets posted...."

i agree they are "up in arms"(notice the irony of that statement BTW) and go out of thier way to focus on the bad news to further thier political agenda. they ignore the fact that many things are better in iraq NOW than before the war. there is more electricity available to the people. medical care is more widely available NOW to everyone that before was only available for the baath socialist elite before the war. the terrorists that were a part of the regime in charge are trying to stop this and the liberals in this country are thier unwitting(and perhaps not so unwitting) allies.

Hmmmm, you mean the same way you go out of your way to focus on the "good news" to further your political agenda? You can claim whatever you want, but many people (myself included) are horrified at every life lost in Iraq. Whether they be U.S. soldiers or Iraqi civilians. To sweep it all under the rug and foam at the mouth about how the big bad liberals are "politicizing" everything simply means you don't understand - nor do you really care to...

 

[Raspewtin]

heartsurgeon wins the:


Cow Bell Award


Given to threads which are designed to cause a riot, and do just that, thereby causing it to go downhill after the first page. Like the disharmonious clanging of a cowbell.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: burnedout
Breaking News

300,000 Iraqis may be in mass graves

Film at 11.

So? Once again, we didn't care in the 1980s and we didn't care in the early 90s. Why should we care now?

 

[heartsurgeon]

As Heartsurgeon demonstrated, the Democrats in Congress were totally blind to the Neo Cons ultimate motive and like most of the American Public were duped into believing the Lies and BS about Iraq being an imminent threat to our Home Security

they aren't the ones who pushed for this war in the first place nor are they the ones that used questionable intel and claims to sell it.

I would like to point out that Sen. Lieberman's comments include the statement
"I have felt for more than a decade now that every additional day that Saddam Hussein is in power in Iraq is an additional day of danger for the Iraqi people, for his neighbors in the region, particularly for the people and military of the United States of America"

Sen. Kerry's remarks were made on 11/9/97..I believe he who shall not be named was President at that time.

the purpose of my post is to try and point out the hypocrisy of the position many of the dems are currently taking.

as to the statement:

The same democrats he hates so much

i have never professed hatred towards democrats or liberals. on the contrary, i have made several posts about the genius of our founding fathers in creating
a system that promotes internal debate, with checks and balances. The Dems need the Republicans to keep them from going to far left, the Republicans need the Dems to keep them from going to far right. The genius of our system is in the dissent, and the debate, and the ability to "vote the b@stards out" every few years if they (meaning either dems or republicans). I believe the country would be worse off with a single political party...the two party system keeps the parties responsive to the people, rather than the other way around.

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: burnedout
Breaking News

300,000 Iraqis may be in mass graves

Film at 11.

So? Once again, we didn't care in the 1980s and we didn't care in the early 90s. Why should we care now?

Because 1.) we are a society who believes in closure, and 2.) we now control 80-95 percent of the country - depending upon which news source you choose to believe.

So do we now just totally disregard the mass graves? And along with this disregard, shall we then further insult those we've already offended in the country? Of course not.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: burnedout
Breaking News

300,000 Iraqis may be in mass graves

Film at 11.

So? Once again, we didn't care in the 1980s and we didn't care in the early 90s. Why should we care now?

Because 1.) we are a society who believes in closure, and 2.) we now control 80-95 percent of the country - depending upon which news source you choose to believe.

So do we now just totally disregard the mass graves? And along with this disregard, shall we then further insult those we've already offended in the country? Of course not.

What about the Congo? There are many more mass graves in the Congo than there are in Iraq, many more deaths in a shorter amount of time.

 

[DealMonkey]

Come on Osorum, it's a selective caring. We only have so much caring (and military troops) to go around. The Congo and numerous other hot spots around the world will simply have to wait until we decide it's time to care.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Hmmmm, you mean the same way you go out of your way to focus on the "good news" to further your political agenda? You can claim whatever you want, but many people (myself included) are horrified at every life lost in Iraq. Whether they be U.S. soldiers or Iraqi civilians. To sweep it all under the rug and foam at the mouth about how the big bad liberals are "politicizing" everything simply means you don't understand - nor do you really care to...

the truth is most people did not give a damn about the iraqi's until we went there. where was the great outrage? the enormous indignation of human rights abuses when saddam was putting tens of thousands of people in mass graves? it was not there.

as for me not caring, i am a former soldier myself(i still live at Fort Hood), and i have family members and friends serving over there right now and we all believe in what they are doing! it is disheartening only to have our moral lowered by the allies of the enemy at home who do thier best to undermine our moral and most of whom have not really contributed to this country other than shooting off thier mouths about things they obviously have no freaking clue about!

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Come on Osorum, it's a selective caring. We only have so much caring (and military troops) to go around. The Congo and numerous other hot spots around the world will simply have to wait until we decide it's time to care.

let the UN and EU do something other than beg us for help and undermine us when we do what we want instead of what they want.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Hmmmm, you mean the same way you go out of your way to focus on the "good news" to further your political agenda? You can claim whatever you want, but many people (myself included) are horrified at every life lost in Iraq. Whether they be U.S. soldiers or Iraqi civilians. To sweep it all under the rug and foam at the mouth about how the big bad liberals are "politicizing" everything simply means you don't understand - nor do you really care to...

the truth is most people did not give a damn about the iraqi's until we went there. where was the great outrage? the enormous indignation of human rights abuses when saddam was putting tens of thousands of people in mass graves? it was not there.

as for me not caring, i am a former soldier myself(i still live at Fort Hood), and i have family members and friends serving over there right now and we all believe in what they are doing! it is disheartening only to have our moral lowered by the allies of the enemy at home who do thier best to undermine our moral and most of whom have not really contributed to this country other than shooting off thier mouths about things they obviously have no freaking clue about!

Oh I see, criticism of the Iraq war = allied with the enemy?

Wow, does anything make sense anymore in your black & white world?

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

What about the Congo? There are many more mass graves in the Congo than there are in Iraq, many more deaths in a shorter amount of time.

I agree with you on the Congo. However, we aren't "occupying" that country at this time.

[Note: "occupying" is one sad but true word]

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Hmmmm, you mean the same way you go out of your way to focus on the "good news" to further your political agenda? You can claim whatever you want, but many people (myself included) are horrified at every life lost in Iraq. Whether they be U.S. soldiers or Iraqi civilians. To sweep it all under the rug and foam at the mouth about how the big bad liberals are "politicizing" everything simply means you don't understand - nor do you really care to...

the truth is most people did not give a damn about the iraqi's until we went there. where was the great outrage? the enormous indignation of human rights abuses when saddam was putting tens of thousands of people in mass graves? it was not there.

as for me not caring, i am a former soldier myself(i still live at Fort Hood), and i have family members and friends serving over there right now and we all believe in what they are doing! it is disheartening only to have our moral lowered by the allies of the enemy at home who do thier best to undermine our moral and most of whom have not really contributed to this country other than shooting off thier mouths about things they obviously have no freaking clue about!

Oh I see, criticism of the Iraq war = allied with the enemy?

Wow, does anything make sense anymore in your black & white world?

I am glad you clarified what he was talking about. I was looking around for terrorists, and I couldn't find one.

Just shows that ignorance is not limited to civilians. Damn, talk about VN all over again. Change the name of the war from Iraq, to VN, and I have heard this before.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Oh I see, criticism of the Iraq war = allied with the enemy?

Wow, does anything make sense anymore in your black & white world?

your talent for oversimplistic kindergarten logic is astounding. there would be no "shades of gray" without "black and white" being the anchoring absolutes making them what they are. a great many things make sense in the real world except for perhaps the imbecility that is liberalism today.

a personally know many soldiers that have either been to or are soon going to iraq, i talk to them everyday. i have a message from them to you and people like you.

"STFU and let us do our job."

the point is (in case you need it spelled out for you) nothing destroys moral like divisiveness at home, our brothers that fought in vietnam can attest to this. soldiers in iraq can attest to this. if you really do give a damn about them then follow thier advice so they can do what they have to do and come home. then run your mouth all you want, just remember someone else paid with thier blood for your precious freedom of speech. what have you ever done to deserve such a thing?

 

[VioletAura]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Oh I see, criticism of the Iraq war = allied with the enemy?

Wow, does anything make sense anymore in your black & white world?

your talent for oversimplistic kindergarten logic is astounding. there would be no "shades of gray" without "black and white" being the anchoring absolutes making them what they are. a great many things make sense in the real world except for perhaps the imbecility that is liberalism today.

a personally know many soldiers that have either been to or are soon going to iraq, i talk to them everyday. i have a message from them to you and people like you.

"STFU and let us do our job."

the point is (in case you need it spelled out for you) nothing destroys moral like divisiveness at home, our brothers that fought in vietnam can attest to this. soldiers in iraq can attest to this. if you really do give a damn about them then follow thier advice so they can do what they have to do and come home. then run your mouth all you want, just remember someone else paid with thier blood for your precious freedom of speech. what have you ever done to deserve such a thing?

What they are doing is wrong so why should everyone just "STFU"? They aren't protecting the US, or anyone in matter of fact, this is a war of aggression.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Oh I see, criticism of the Iraq war = allied with the enemy?

Wow, does anything make sense anymore in your black & white world?

your talent for oversimplistic kindergarten logic is astounding. there would be no "shades of gray" without "black and white" being the anchoring absolutes making them what they are. a great many things make sense in the real world except for perhaps the imbecility that is liberalism today.

a personally know many soldiers that have either been to or are soon going to iraq, i talk to them everyday. i have a message from them to you and people like you.

"STFU and let us do our job."

the point is (in case you need it spelled out for you) nothing destroys moral like divisiveness at home, our brothers that fought in vietnam can attest to this. soldiers in iraq can attest to this. if you really do give a damn about them then follow thier advice so they can do what they have to do and come home. then run your mouth all you want, just remember someone else paid with thier blood for your precious freedom of speech. what have you ever done to deserve such a thing?

Hey, while you're on your high horse telling everyone to STFU, why don't you tell me what sort of opinions are appropriate and when I can have them. I wouldn't want to run afoul of your arbitrary rules and regulations concering how we should all feel about the war.

 

[DealMonkey]

dp nm

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Hey, while you're on your high horse telling everyone to STFU, why don't you tell me what sort of opinions are appropriate and when I can have them. I wouldn't want to run afoul of your arbitrary rules and regulations concering how we should all feel about the war.

you just dont get it do you? i am not on any "high horse" i am simply telling you how many of the soldiers feel. you know...the ones you said you gave a damn about, or does that stop at what they think, or how all you libs constant bitching and complaining wears on thier moral? or is the most important thing on earth is you getting to voice your opinion no matter who and how it affects them? you can have any opinion you want! but when it comes to doing and saying things that affect the people that protect our freedom and are bringing it to others negatively, in that case you do need to STFU! your not the freakin center of the universe.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Hey, while you're on your high horse telling everyone to STFU, why don't you tell me what sort of opinions are appropriate and when I can have them. I wouldn't want to run afoul of your arbitrary rules and regulations concering how we should all feel about the war.

you just dont get it do you? i am not on any "high horse" i am simply telling you how many of the soldiers feel. you know...the ones you said you gave a damn about, or does that stop at what they think, or how all you libs constant bitching and complaining wears on thier moral? or is the most important thing on earth is you getting to voice your opinion no matter who and how it affects them? you can have any opinion you want! but when it comes to doing and saying things that affect the people that protect our freedom and are bringing it to others negatively, in that case you do need to STFU! your not the freakin center of the universe.

Sorry, but I don't buy it. While I am sure Bush-lite and his followers want to blame low morale on the left, it's just more evidence Bush lacks the integrity to accept responsibility for his actions.

Our troops are demoralized because they know they are there for a lie. They are demoralized because they know the Bush administration hasn't Clue 1 about how to get them home. They are demoralized because they see the Bush administration arrogance and incompetence discouraging other countries from sharing the load. They are demoralized because they see the Bush administration inflaming the situation in Iraq -- "bring 'em on", civilian deaths, mistreating Iraqis -- instead of defusing it. And most of all, they are demoralized because they recognize the Bush administration doesn't give a tinker's damn about them. Bush&Co. doesn't care how many American soldiers die. Bush&Co. doesn't care how our soldiers and their families are treated.

In short, they are demoralized because their eyes are open. They are smack dab in the middle of a giant sh!t storm and they know the "Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy" propaganda they hear from the White House is pure Texas bovine excrement,

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Hey, while you're on your high horse telling everyone to STFU, why don't you tell me what sort of opinions are appropriate and when I can have them. I wouldn't want to run afoul of your arbitrary rules and regulations concering how we should all feel about the war.

you just dont get it do you? i am not on any "high horse" i am simply telling you how many of the soldiers feel. you know...the ones you said you gave a damn about, or does that stop at what they think, or how all you libs constant bitching and complaining wears on thier moral? or is the most important thing on earth is you getting to voice your opinion no matter who and how it affects them? you can have any opinion you want! but when it comes to doing and saying things that affect the people that protect our freedom and are bringing it to others negatively, in that case you do need to STFU! your not the freakin center of the universe.

Umm...settle down man. DM is harmless He likes to get a reaction out of people just like moonie. It's better just to ignore him if you feel yourself getting riled up. DM understands some issues and others it's best just to let him keep thinking the way he does because he won't change - especially if it's coming from you, I, or any of the "flag wavers"

Now this isn't to say you are wrong(because I don't care to read this whole thread), or shouldn't call him on things - but more of a choose your battle thing with DM. I know...I know... it's fun to see them squirm at times... but you have to keep control of yourself before engaging.

CkG

Edit - add Bow to the above too He likes to mix it up too

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Sorry, but I don't buy it. While I am sure Bush-lite and his followers want to blame low morale on the left, it's just more evidence Bush lacks the integrity to accept responsibility for his actions.


bush does not have anything to do with the point i am making, i would say(and in fact said) the same thing when clinton was president. save the bush bashing for a topic dedicated to it.

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Our troops are demoralized because they know they are there for a lie. They are demoralized because they know the Bush administration hasn't Clue 1 about how to get them home. They are demoralized because they see the Bush administration arrogance and incompetence discouraging other countries from sharing the load. They are demoralized because they see the Bush administration inflaming the situation in Iraq -- "bring 'em on", civilian deaths, mistreating Iraqis -- instead of defusing it. And most of all, they are demoralized because they recognize the Bush administration doesn't give a tinker's damn about them. Bush&Co. doesn't care how many American soldiers die. Bush&Co. doesn't care how our soldiers and their families are treated...In short, they are demoralized because their eyes are open. They are smack dab in the middle of a giant sh!t storm and they know the "Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy" propaganda they hear from the White House is pure Texas bovine excrement,

*shakes head* spare us the liberalist propaganda message! the people i personally know and other soldiers i talk to believe in what they are doing, or they would not be doing it, have you ever been shot at? it is no fun! this is not a football game where we are talking about moral merely being a factor in getting a higher score , poor moral can go toward getting you KILLED, it robs you of sharpness, focus, and clarity and i know you would really like to believe the utter nonsense you just wrote, but reality is a bit different. most people here believe in what we are doing, most iraqi's beleive in what we are doing, other than the extremist minority on both sides of the ocean who do thier best to portray iraq as a losing battle.

i still cannot get over how much of the liberal media tried to describe one of the fastest fighting advances in military history as "losing" these are the same imbeciles who are now trying thier best to make iraq look like vietnam, which became what it did because of politics. thier eyes are open alright, many see how unappreciated they are not by bush, but by people who do nothing but make thier job as difficult as possible all for the sake of advancing thier political agenda no matter who it kills spiritually...and physically.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
*shakes head* spare us the liberalist propaganda message! the people i personally know and other soldiers i talk to believe in what they are doing, or they would not be doing it, have you ever been shot at? it is no fun! this is not a football game where we are talking about moral merely being a factor in getting a higher score , poor moral can go toward getting you KILLED, it robs you of sharpness, focus, and clarity and i know you would really like to believe the utter nonsense you just wrote, but reality is a bit different. most people here believe in what we are doing, most iraqi's beleive in what we are doing, other than the extremist minority on both sides of the ocean who do thier best to portray iraq as a losing battle.

i still cannot get over how much of the liberal media tried to describe one of the fastest fighting advances in military history as "losing" these are the same imbeciles who are now trying thier best to make iraq look like vietnam, which became what it did because of politics. thier eyes are open alright, many see how unappreciated they are not by bush, but by people who do nothing but make thier job as difficult as possible all for the sake of advancing thier political agenda no matter who it kills spiritually...and physically.

Sorry, but I don't buy it. While I am sure Bush-lite and his followers want to blame low morale on the left, it's just more evidence they lack the integrity to accept responsibility for their actions. . . .

But thanks for more Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy propaganda.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Sorry, but I don't buy it. While I am sure Bush-lite and his followers want to blame low morale on the left, it's just more evidence Bush lacks the integrity to accept responsibility for his actions.


bush does not have anything to do with the point i am making, i would say(and in fact said) the same thing when clinton was president. save the bush bashing for a topic dedicated to it.

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Our troops are demoralized because they know they are there for a lie. They are demoralized because they know the Bush administration hasn't Clue 1 about how to get them home. They are demoralized because they see the Bush administration arrogance and incompetence discouraging other countries from sharing the load. They are demoralized because they see the Bush administration inflaming the situation in Iraq -- "bring 'em on", civilian deaths, mistreating Iraqis -- instead of defusing it. And most of all, they are demoralized because they recognize the Bush administration doesn't give a tinker's damn about them. Bush&Co. doesn't care how many American soldiers die. Bush&Co. doesn't care how our soldiers and their families are treated...In short, they are demoralized because their eyes are open. They are smack dab in the middle of a giant sh!t storm and they know the "Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy" propaganda they hear from the White House is pure Texas bovine excrement,

*shakes head* spare us the liberalist propaganda message! the people i personally know and other soldiers i talk to believe in what they are doing, or they would not be doing it, have you ever been shot at? it is no fun! this is not a football game where we are talking about moral merely being a factor in getting a higher score , poor moral can go toward getting you KILLED, it robs you of sharpness, focus, and clarity and i know you would really like to believe the utter nonsense you just wrote, but reality is a bit different. most people here believe in what we are doing, most iraqi's beleive in what we are doing, other than the extremist minority on both sides of the ocean who do thier best to portray iraq as a losing battle.

i still cannot get over how much of the liberal media tried to describe one of the fastest fighting advances in military history as "losing" these are the same imbeciles who are now trying thier best to make iraq look like vietnam, which became what it did because of politics. thier eyes are open alright, many see how unappreciated they are not by bush, but by people who do nothing but make thier job as difficult as possible all for the sake of advancing thier political agenda no matter who it kills spiritually...and physically.

Way to qualify your statements by alleging that you talk to Soldiers who are in Iraq or on their way. I guess that beats having anything of truthful substance to add to your arguments. Tell me Chief, How do the fsck do you know what most Iraqi's feel? Also, how do you excuse this Administration from misleading the American Public regarding the non existent WMDs, Nuclear Weapons Program and ties to Al Qaeda that they used to garner the American Publics support for this war? And finally, how can you say that executing this occupation on the cheap with less troops than the Pentagon requested is the proper way of doing it, even if it puts our troops at greater risk?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Hey, while you're on your high horse telling everyone to STFU, why don't you tell me what sort of opinions are appropriate and when I can have them. I wouldn't want to run afoul of your arbitrary rules and regulations concering how we should all feel about the war.

you just dont get it do you? i am not on any "high horse" i am simply telling you how many of the soldiers feel. you know...the ones you said you gave a damn about, or does that stop at what they think, or how all you libs constant bitching and complaining wears on thier moral? or is the most important thing on earth is you getting to voice your opinion no matter who and how it affects them? you can have any opinion you want! but when it comes to doing and saying things that affect the people that protect our freedom and are bringing it to others negatively, in that case you do need to STFU! your not the freakin center of the universe.

Look, you're giving me conflicting advice: I can have an opinion, but if it's negative I need to STFU. It's OK to have an opinion about Iraq, but stop all your bitchin'.

Why don't you just make it real simple and tell me (and everyone else here) what attitude is OK to have and how I should act and feel about soldiers/Iraq/Bush/etc.? Should I be attending more pro-war rallys? Should I fly more than two U.S. flags on my house and have more than three pro-U.S. stickers on my vehicle?

Just lay down the law clearly and without ambiguity so we can all comply.

PS: It's MORALE not MORAL, genius.