More opposition to U.S. war plans

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Three permanent Security Council members express doubts

Security Council not unified on Iraq
Three permanent Security Council members express doubts

UNITED NATIONS (CNN) --With U.S. officials warning Iraq to obey U.N. disarmament demands or face war, China said Thursday its position on a potential war with Iraq was "extremely close" to that of France, which has said all possible actions must be taken to avoid a conflict.

As permanent members of the U.N. Security Council, China and France have veto power over any resolution -- including a possible new resolution authorizing military force against Iraq.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhang Qiyue said Beijing was "worried and uneasy about the large-scale military buildup" in the Persian Gulf region.

"I think our position is extremely close to that of France," she said. (Full story)

French President Jacques Chirac and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder said Wednesday they were not convinced a war with Iraq was necessary while U.N. arms inspectors were still searching Iraq for weapons of mass destruction.

"Any decision belongs to the Security Council and the Security Council alone, which will address the issue after having examined the latest inspectors' report," Chirac said. "Secondly, as far as we're concerned, war always means failure." (Full story)

Russia, another permanent council member, said Tuesday it would not back a unilateral military operation against Iraq and said weapons inspectors must continue their work, according to the Interfax news agency. (Full story)

The Security Council's other two permanent members -- the United States and Britain -- have urged the United Nations to stand firm against Iraq.

Rice: Iraq is failing
U.S. National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice asserted Thursday that Iraq "is still treating inspections as a game" and "it should know that time is running out."

In an op-ed piece in The New York Times, Rice said Iraq is "failing in spectacular fashion. By both its actions and its inactions, Iraq is proving not that it is a nation bent on disarmament, but that it is a nation with something to hide."

Rice said there are many questions about Iraq's weapons programs and "it is Iraq's obligation to provide answers." She said Iraq's weapons declaration "amounts to a 12,200-page lie" and "resorts to unabashed plagiarism." (Full story)

Chief U.N. weapons inspectors Hans Blix and Mohamed ElBaradei are expected to present a progress report to the Security Council on Monday.

U.N. officials have stressed that the report will be an update, not a conclusive determination about any Iraqi weapons programs. Still, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell has told Security Council members that "difficult choices" will follow the report.

On Wednesday, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld dismissed the comments from France and Germany, saying most European countries stand with the United States in its campaign to force Iraqi President Saddam Hussein to disarm.

"Germany has been a problem, and France has been a problem," said Rumsfeld, a former NATO ambassador. "But you look at vast numbers of other countries in Europe. They're not with France and Germany on this; they're with the United States."

Germany and France represent "old Europe," Rumsfeld said, and NATO's expansion in recent years means "the center of gravity is shifting to the east."

Germany has a nonveto seat on the Security Council, but it is a key NATO ally and will hold the council's rotating presidency in February.

French officials reacted angrily Thursday to Rumsfeld's comments. An influential former labor minister says the statements show "a certain arrogance of the United States," and France's ecology minister used a regional expression for a four-letter word in reference to Rumsfeld, The Associated Press reported.

Other developments
? A group of six countries -- including Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Iran -- planned to issue a declaration Thursday demanding that Iraq comply with the inspections in exchange for their help in avoiding a military conflict with the United States. (Full story)

? A U.N. spokesman Thursday denied suggestions that inspectors searched a mosque in Baghdad as part of their ongoing hunt for weapons of mass destruction. Spokesman Hiro Ueki said the U.N. inspectors were invited inside the mosque after passing by, but he did not say who asked the inspectors to come inside. The imam of the mosque complained Wednesday that the inspectors were intrusive and provocative when they searched the mosque Monday. (Full story)

? Inspectors visited several sites Thursday, including Baghdad's Al Mustansiriya University, a warehouse north of the Iraqi capital and the Qa Qaa complex south of Baghdad. Inspectors have visited Qa Qaa more than a dozen times, including several consecutive days since last week. Previously, Iraq's nuclear program used the Qa Qaa site for the production of high explosive lenses, detonators and propellants for nuclear weapons.



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BDawg

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Someone sent an e-mail about France's dissent to CNN this morning. It more or less read, "The next time you are in France, ask if they speak German. When they say 'no', reply, 'you're welcome.'"

Not that I'm for war with Iraq, I just thought that was funny.
 

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I find it funny that the Unite States government officials are all smoking cracks. They have no real sold evidence but talk propagandas.
 

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Originally posted by: BDawg
Someone sent an e-mail about France's dissent to CNN this morning. It more or less read, "The next time you are in France, ask if they speak German. When they say 'no', reply, 'you're welcome.'"

Not that I'm for war with Iraq, I just thought that was funny.

haha thats quite good
 

Codewiz

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Originally posted by: Bluga
I find it funny that the Unite States government officials are all smoking cracks. They have no real sold evidence but talk propagandas.

Whatever.....Iraq has had 10 Fcking years to disarm. They haven't done it. They have broken every UN requirement. They broke the ceasefire that we signed with them. We have ever damn right to finish this.

How many more years do we need to give to Iraq??????? Do we need to wait until they can drop a damn h-bomb on us then you say we can go to war now because we have solid evidense??????
 

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Originally posted by: BDawg
Someone sent an e-mail about France's dissent to CNN this morning. It more or less read, "The next time you are in France, ask if they speak German. When they say 'no', reply, 'you're welcome.'"

Not that I'm for war with Iraq, I just thought that was funny.

That is funny, considering that the US forces landed in the summer of 1944, 6 months before the end of the war. Russia had already been on the road to Berlin for two entire years before the Americans even decided to show up. 80% of the WW2 was fought on the Eastern front. If anyone gets credit for ending WW2, in Europe, it should be 1. Russia, 2. United Kingdom, 3. United States. In that order.

Point being... Funny how Americans take credit for a front they had very little influence on.

Now... Talk about the war in the Pacific. Then the US and Aussies get all the credit. That was a horrible front line and many brave and good men were lost there.
 

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Originally posted by: Thera
Originally posted by: BDawg
Someone sent an e-mail about France's dissent to CNN this morning. It more or less read, "The next time you are in France, ask if they speak German. When they say 'no', reply, 'you're welcome.'"

Not that I'm for war with Iraq, I just thought that was funny.

That is funny, considering that the US forces landed in the summer of 1944, 6 months before the end of the war. Russia had already been on the road to Berlin for two entire years before the Americans even decided to show up. 80% of the WW2 was fought on the Eastern front. If anyone gets credit for ending WW2, in Europe, it should be 1. Russia, 2. United Kingdom, 3. United States. In that order.

Now... Talk about the war in the Pacific. Then the US and Aussies get all the credit. That was a horrible front line and many brave and good men were lost.

Well I think his point was that if the US had not gotten involved it would have been very difficult for Europe to defeat Germany.

 

Czar

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: Bluga
I find it funny that the Unite States government officials are all smoking cracks. They have no real sold evidence but talk propagandas.

Whatever.....Iraq has had 10 Fcking years to disarm. They haven't done it. They have broken every UN requirement. They broke the ceasefire that we signed with them. We have ever damn right to finish this.

How many more years do we need to give to Iraq??????? Do we need to wait until they can drop a damn h-bomb on us then you say we can go to war now because we have solid evidense??????
btw, when you can, please tell Bush to invade Israel while he is in the area
 

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Originally posted by: Bluga
I find it funny that the Unite States government officials are all smoking cracks. They have no real sold evidence but talk propagandas.
It's "United", "crack", "solid", and "propaganda", you ignorant fool.

 

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:Q YOU MEAN FRANCE IS DISAGREEING WITH THE U.S.! AGAIN! :Q

Seriously, France helped Iraq build a nuclear reactor in the 80s. They have helped Iraq through the years, have cozied up with Saddam, and are one of the major trading partners in Iraq's oil-for-food program. They have it good with the status quo. Why do they want to screw that up with a regime change? Makes you also wonder if there is any illegal activities happening between Iraq and France. Like maybe trading items that they shouldn't according to the UN resolutions?
 

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Originally posted by: Bluga
I find it funny that the Unite States government officials are all smoking cracks. They have no real sold evidence but talk propagandas.

It is amazing that all you people do not realize the US is not the only one supporting aggression.
 

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: Thera
Originally posted by: BDawg
Someone sent an e-mail about France's dissent to CNN this morning. It more or less read, "The next time you are in France, ask if they speak German. When they say 'no', reply, 'you're welcome.'"

Not that I'm for war with Iraq, I just thought that was funny.

That is funny, considering that the US forces landed in the summer of 1944, 6 months before the end of the war. Russia had already been on the road to Berlin for two entire years before the Americans even decided to show up. 80% of the WW2 was fought on the Eastern front. If anyone gets credit for ending WW2, in Europe, it should be 1. Russia, 2. United Kingdom, 3. United States. In that order.

Now... Talk about the war in the Pacific. Then the US and Aussies get all the credit. That was a horrible front line and many brave and good men were lost.

Well I think his point was that if the US had not gotten involved it would have been very difficult for Europe to defeat Germany.

I think you nailed it. Europe would've been stalled on the Western front. The problem with that front stagnating is that the Soviet Union showed no signs of slowing down. If the US didn't land the Soviet Union would've marched to France, untouched. And probably within the year.

Sorry again... Point being: France should thank Russia for being saved from the Germans. France should thank the US for being saved from the Russians. :confused:
 

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Originally posted by: Queasy
:Q YOU MEAN FRANCE IS DISAGREEING WITH THE U.S.! AGAIN! :Q

Seriously, France helped Iraq build a nuclear reactor in the 80s. They have helped Iraq through the years, have cozied up with Saddam, and are one of the major trading partners in Iraq's oil-for-food program. They have it good with the status quo. Why do they want to screw that up with a regime change? Makes you also wonder if there is any illegal activities happening between Iraq and France. Like maybe trading items that they shouldn't according to the UN resolutions?

I SERIOUSLY doubt france would take that chance. That would make them look horrible to the rest of the world if caught. I just think France likes the programs they have with Iraq that are legal.

 

Czar

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Originally posted by: Queasy
:Q YOU MEAN FRANCE IS DISAGREEING WITH THE U.S.! AGAIN! :Q

Seriously, France helped Iraq build a nuclear reactor in the 80s. They have helped Iraq through the years, have cozied up with Saddam, and are one of the major trading partners in Iraq's oil-for-food program. They have it good with the status quo. Why do they want to screw that up with a regime change? Makes you also wonder if there is any illegal activities happening between Iraq and France. Like maybe trading items that they shouldn't according to the UN resolutions?
this article is more about China and Russia than France, we had that flame war a while ago
 

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Originally posted by: Queasy
:Q YOU MEAN FRANCE IS DISAGREEING WITH THE U.S.! AGAIN! :Q

Seriously, France helped Iraq build a nuclear reactor in the 80s. They have helped Iraq through the years, have cozied up with Saddam, and are one of the major trading partners in Iraq's oil-for-food program. They have it good with the status quo. Why do they want to screw that up with a regime change? Makes you also wonder if there is any illegal activities happening between Iraq and France. Like maybe trading items that they shouldn't according to the UN resolutions?

Ehhh... You're not paranoid at all... noooo... LOL
 

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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Queasy
:Q YOU MEAN FRANCE IS DISAGREEING WITH THE U.S.! AGAIN! :Q

Seriously, France helped Iraq build a nuclear reactor in the 80s. They have helped Iraq through the years, have cozied up with Saddam, and are one of the major trading partners in Iraq's oil-for-food program. They have it good with the status quo. Why do they want to screw that up with a regime change? Makes you also wonder if there is any illegal activities happening between Iraq and France. Like maybe trading items that they shouldn't according to the UN resolutions?
this article is more about China and Russia than France, we had that flame war a while ago


I am a little shocked by Russia not supporting us. Well not really but China doesn't surprise me in the least. They always like to see the US in a pickle ;)

I do hope that China can help out with the N Koreans. I do believe that the N Koreans should be handled before we do anything with Iraq.
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Queasy
:Q YOU MEAN FRANCE IS DISAGREEING WITH THE U.S.! AGAIN! :Q

Seriously, France helped Iraq build a nuclear reactor in the 80s. They have helped Iraq through the years, have cozied up with Saddam, and are one of the major trading partners in Iraq's oil-for-food program. They have it good with the status quo. Why do they want to screw that up with a regime change? Makes you also wonder if there is any illegal activities happening between Iraq and France. Like maybe trading items that they shouldn't according to the UN resolutions?
this article is more about China and Russia than France, we had that flame war a while ago


I am a little shocked by Russia not supporting us. Well not really but China doesn't surprise me in the least. They always like to see the US in a pickle ;)

I do hope that China can help out with the N Koreans. I do believe that the N Koreans should be handled before we do anything with Iraq.
agree with you there

 

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Queasy
:Q YOU MEAN FRANCE IS DISAGREEING WITH THE U.S.! AGAIN! :Q

Seriously, France helped Iraq build a nuclear reactor in the 80s. They have helped Iraq through the years, have cozied up with Saddam, and are one of the major trading partners in Iraq's oil-for-food program. They have it good with the status quo. Why do they want to screw that up with a regime change? Makes you also wonder if there is any illegal activities happening between Iraq and France. Like maybe trading items that they shouldn't according to the UN resolutions?
this article is more about China and Russia than France, we had that flame war a while ago


I am a little shocked by Russia not supporting us. Well not really but China doesn't surprise me in the least. They always like to see the US in a pickle ;)

I do hope that China can help out with the N Koreans. I do believe that the N Koreans should be handled before we do anything with Iraq.

Well, that's really the point. Russia and China disagree with the U.S. on quite alot simply because it is the U.S. and they have their own political motivations to disagree. Example: China and Taiwan. The U.S. supports Taiwan so China will always be a thorn in the U.S.'s side until it stops that support so China can assimilate Taiwan back into the mainland.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Queasy
:Q YOU MEAN FRANCE IS DISAGREEING WITH THE U.S.! AGAIN! :Q

Seriously, France helped Iraq build a nuclear reactor in the 80s. They have helped Iraq through the years, have cozied up with Saddam, and are one of the major trading partners in Iraq's oil-for-food program. They have it good with the status quo. Why do they want to screw that up with a regime change? Makes you also wonder if there is any illegal activities happening between Iraq and France. Like maybe trading items that they shouldn't according to the UN resolutions?

Ehhh... You're not paranoid at all... noooo... LOL

Hey, its a lot less paranoid then those who say Bush knew about the attack on the WTC before it happened. Or those who say we want to spend millions to billions of dollars and waste human lives simply to get at Iraq's oil (ignoring the fact that we also get oil from all over the globe). :D
 

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next time you're in the U.S. ask an American if he is still a colony of England, has tea and crumpets, and has bad teeth. If he says no, say "Many thanks to the French"
 

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Queasy
:Q YOU MEAN FRANCE IS DISAGREEING WITH THE U.S.! AGAIN! :Q

Seriously, France helped Iraq build a nuclear reactor in the 80s. They have helped Iraq through the years, have cozied up with Saddam, and are one of the major trading partners in Iraq's oil-for-food program. They have it good with the status quo. Why do they want to screw that up with a regime change? Makes you also wonder if there is any illegal activities happening between Iraq and France. Like maybe trading items that they shouldn't according to the UN resolutions?

Ehhh... You're not paranoid at all... noooo... LOL

Hey, its a lot less paranoid then those who say Bush knew about the attack on the WTC before it happened. Or those who say we want to spend millions to billions of dollars and waste human lives simply to get at Iraq's oil (ignoring the fact that we also get oil from all over the globe). :D

On no1 i answer yes and on no2 i answer no...
 

etech

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Queasy
:Q YOU MEAN FRANCE IS DISAGREEING WITH THE U.S.! AGAIN! :Q

Seriously, France helped Iraq build a nuclear reactor in the 80s. They have helped Iraq through the years, have cozied up with Saddam, and are one of the major trading partners in Iraq's oil-for-food program. They have it good with the status quo. Why do they want to screw that up with a regime change? Makes you also wonder if there is any illegal activities happening between Iraq and France. Like maybe trading items that they shouldn't according to the UN resolutions?
this article is more about China and Russia than France, we had that flame war a while ago


I am a little shocked by Russia not supporting us. Well not really but China doesn't surprise me in the least. They always like to see the US in a pickle ;)

I do hope that China can help out with the N Koreans. I do believe that the N Koreans should be handled before we do anything with Iraq.


Do a google search on Iraq, Russia Lukoil. You will find out that it is Russia that want's Iraq'a oil fields. I think France with their Total company also has a hand in their but I haven't checked and that would need confirmation.


 

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Originally posted by: drewshin
next time you're in the U.S. ask an American if he is still a colony of England, has tea and crumpets, and has bad teeth. If he says no, say "Many thanks to the French"

LOL
 

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Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Queasy
:Q YOU MEAN FRANCE IS DISAGREEING WITH THE U.S.! AGAIN! :Q

Seriously, France helped Iraq build a nuclear reactor in the 80s. They have helped Iraq through the years, have cozied up with Saddam, and are one of the major trading partners in Iraq's oil-for-food program. They have it good with the status quo. Why do they want to screw that up with a regime change? Makes you also wonder if there is any illegal activities happening between Iraq and France. Like maybe trading items that they shouldn't according to the UN resolutions?
this article is more about China and Russia than France, we had that flame war a while ago


I am a little shocked by Russia not supporting us. Well not really but China doesn't surprise me in the least. They always like to see the US in a pickle ;)

I do hope that China can help out with the N Koreans. I do believe that the N Koreans should be handled before we do anything with Iraq.


Do a google search on Iraq, Russia Lukoil. You will find out that it is Russia that want's Iraq'a oil fields. I think France with their Total company also has a hand in their but I haven't checked and that would need confirmation.

Hmmm, so are you saying that the US wants what Russia and France has got now? ;)