More on Trinity

[Ajay]

From softpedia:
AMD-Trinity-APU-Specs

Looks like top bins will be desktop parts (or are people looking for a laptop w/125W TDP?).

 

[frozentundra123456]

So if the graphics is 30% faster than Llano, where does that put it, around HD5670 level or still below that?

I have sort of set HD5670 level performance in the desktop as minimum graphics performance to adequately make up for the lackluster CPU performance and give decent gaming without adding a discrete card. Although this still would not give me much reason to upgrade, since my 2 year old 9800GT is probably comparable. My CPU now is the weak link, an E4500 that cannot be overclocked.

 

[micrometers]

What should be super interesting with trinity is the over clocking potential. Especially for small itx form factors.

 

[lau808]

i hope trinity oc 5ghz easy since the fx 4100 does 4.6 stock cooled. and i hope they upped ipc with piledriver vs zambezi too. still waiting to see a8-3870k and how high it oc.

 

[ElFenix]

30% more powerful than the current Llano APUs and will also support a series of new instructions sets introduced with the Bulldozer architecture

llano is based on stars... trinity is supposed to be based on bulldozer... bulldozer really isn't any faster than stars... maybe trinity fixes bulldozer?

 

[Ajay]

So if the graphics is 30% faster than Llano, where does that put it, around HD5670 level or still below that?

Going just by the 30% improvement part, then no, it won't reach an HD5670 - but this, in a significant way, depends on the memory used. I looked at some AT benchmarks - @ MHz DDR3, it won't be close, but @ 1833 MHz DDR3, it could be close. It's still really too early to say.

It also seems like like the CPU performance referenced is too low, at least for top binned Trinity parts. Rumors are putting Piledriver modules @ 10-15% faster than Bulldozer modules. D'oh! No L3 cache in Trinity, so the 20-30% increase in CPU speed makes more sense than I thought.

From Fudzilla:

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[Ajay]

Ugh, just saw some FX-4100 benchmarks. It will take a miracle for Trinity to be Llano in CPU performance: Legit Reviews AMD FX-4100 Review

 

[lau808]

not nessesarily, fx 4100=bulldozer(bd1), trinity=piledriver(bd2)

trinity thru piledriver will have revisions to start to fix bulldozers problems. so trinity could improve upon bulldozers ipc, power consumption, and clocks. it remains to be seen if they can do all 3 though. if they improve ipc by 10-15% that should make it perform clock for clock with llano. then higher clocks 3.8/3.9 would be a 30% performance increase based of clocks alone. if they cant quite get ipc same as llano then 20% increase looks more realistic.

 

[Ajay]

not nessesarily, fx 4100=bulldozer(bd1), trinity=piledriver(bd2)

trinity thru piledriver will have revisions to start to fix bulldozers problems. so trinity could improve upon bulldozers ipc, power consumption, and clocks. it remains to be seen if they can do all 3 though. if they improve ipc by 10-15% that should make it perform clock for clock with llano. then higher clocks 3.8/3.9 would be a 30% performance increase based of clocks alone. if they cant quite get ipc same as llano then 20% increase looks more realistic.

True, IPC on Trinity (Piledriver) is supposed to be up 10-15%. Power consumption/clocks will up to GF more than AMD. Hopefully, GF will have improved the process by the time Trinity is released (along with BD spin B3), but with the top bins still set @ 125W GF is probably focusing more on improving yield.

 

[Soulkeeper]

I hope they have some really aggressive powernow and clock gating for the 125W parts !

I'm ready for 3870 and trinity, c'mon AMD release something that'll make us proud to say we own.

 

[Vulpesveritas]

Well, given current A8's with 1866 perform nearly as well or better than a 5570 depending on whether you OC, increase the iGPU RAM, or such, and Trinity is supposed to naively support 2133mhz RAM, and a 30% increase to performance, and it is Cayman / Radeon 6900-series architecture on 32nm, it may quite possibly outperform a 5670 given you use the 2133 RAM.

Also the Piledriver cores in Trinity are supposed to; have fixed the L1 cache issues, Cache latency issues, increased IPC by 10-15%, and reduce power consumption over BD1. Or so it is supposed to. Lets hope.

And should the above release with a 3.8-3.9ghz flagship model, possibly with unlocked multiplier, and releases for $130-180 retail, then I must say I will not only buy it for myself, but be praising AMD for making a comeback.

If not I will go buy myself a slightly older 3870k or get an AM3+ board and a nice old warehouse Phenom X4 if there are some left still. Otherwise I might have to buy Intel.

 

[podspi]

If you're set on AM3+, why not just go with the 8120? Unless unlocking actually works (I haven't seen anyone confirm or deny this yet), the 4-core and 6-core models really aren't great choices compared to the old X4s or X6s, but the full 4-module CPUs DO beat out the older X6's in most CPU-intensive tasks that actually matter.

And if you say gaming (and are doing something crazy like tri or quad GPU) then you really should be picking up a 2500K anyway.