More on americas worst gang problem

[cannabis2468]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=48a_1375994374

So lets see the cop lovers rushing to their defense. These pigs should be euthanized like the animals they are. Too bad the homeowner didn't open fire on them fore breaking into his house.

 

[JEDIYoda]

So this has nothing to do with gangs...
The article is about Police abuse.....

You have no corroborating story such as a main stream news article......

ok.....pulls up lawn chair and popcorn....

 

[highland145]

So this has nothing to do with gangs...
The article is about Police abuse.....

You have no corroborating story such as a main stream news article......

ok.....pulls up lawn chair and popcorn....

Several witnesses reported a man toting a gun and threatening people during the evening, according to an incident report. One witness reported the man’s name as Travis.Nicholas denied that he either had a gun or made any threats.
While checking the perimeter of the home, deputies found an upside-down bucket with a footprint on it beneath an open window, indicating a possible unlawful entry into the home, the release says.
“Repeated attempts were made to get someone to open the door, with no success,” the release states. “Deputies entered the house through the open window in an effort to locate the suspect and to assure the safety of the occupants.”

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http://www.pnj.com/article/20130807/NEWS11/308070025/Deputies-shoot-two-dogs

 

[brycejones]

ahh...the old cops as a gang meme.

 

[cannabis2468]

So this has nothing to do with gangs...
The article is about Police abuse.....

You have no corroborating story such as a main stream news article......

ok.....pulls up lawn chair and popcorn....

http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2013308070025 is the stroy from a local news station.

 

[woolfe9998]

The police got a report of someone holding people at gunpoint in the neighborhood. They saw evidence of what might have been an unlawful entry, tried to knock on the front door with no success, then went in through a window. There is no need for a warrant if there is reason to believe a crime is in progress, even if you later turn out to be wrong.

Sounds like shooting the dogs may have been questionable. There seems to be a lot of that going around lately.

 

[cannabis2468]

The police got a report of someone holding people at gunpoint in the neighborhood. They saw evidence of what might have been an unlawful entry, tried to knock on the front door with no success, then went in through a window. There is no need for a warrant if there is reason to believe a crime is in progress, even if you later turn out to be wrong.

Sounds like shooting the dogs may have been questionable. There seems to be a lot of that going around lately.

What if the situation had played out a bit differently. Say the resident woke up to his dogs barking at something in the night. He grabs his AR out of the corner and goes to check to find unidentified people in a scuffle with his dogs and opens fire. Lets say hes a decent marksman and drops them both or one of them without being killed himself. However stray shots fired from police officers during the exchange kill his 9 month old child. Later questioning shows the bucket was left from where he locked himself out 2 days ago and had to climb in a unlocked window. Is he still to be prosecuted as a 'cop killer' for trying to protect his family while the cop gets away with killing a child? At what point can we put some kind of restrictions on the police instead of a do whatever you want and get away with it mentality.

 

[woolfe9998]

What if the situation had played out a bit differently. Say the resident woke up to his dogs barking at something in the night. He grabs his AR out of the corner and goes to check to find unidentified people in a scuffle with his dogs and opens fire. Lets say hes a decent marksman and drops them both or one of them. Later questioning shows the bucket was left from where he locked himself out 2 days ago and had to climb in. Is he still to prosecuted as a 'cop killer' for protecting his home and family?

In most if not all states police entry is an exception to the castle doctrine. Meaning that for a valid self-defense plea, the shoot would have to be reasonable under the circumstances. So, for example, if he sees men with guns and can't see their uniforms or badges, he might be OK. If it's clear they're police, probably not. Ultimately a jury decides.

 

[child of wonder]

Why have warrants anymore if police can just barge into your house because you don't answer the door?

"Oh well... uh.... we were concerned for your safety and saw an upside down bucket so we had to come in for your own good!"

How about correctly establish whether something is going on or not BEFORE jumping to conclusions and entering someone's private property?

"Well, if something HAD been going on and the police didn't enter the house then everyone would say the police didn't do their job."

No, they would have been doing exactly their job. Police take an oath to uphold the law and there are laws in place against unwarranted search and seizure, trespassing on private property, and breaking and entering.

Unless there is clear evidence that would require officers to circumvent these laws to stop a greater crime from occurring, they need to err on the side of caution when deciding whether or not to enter a home without a warrant.

 

[nehalem256]

Why have warrants anymore if police can just barge into your house because you don't answer the door?

"Oh well... uh.... we were concerned for your safety and saw an upside down bucket so we had to come in for your own good!"

How about correctly establish whether something is going on or not BEFORE jumping to conclusions and entering someone's private property?

"Well, if something HAD been going on and the police didn't enter the house then everyone would say the police didn't do their job."

No, they would have been doing exactly their job. Police take an oath to uphold the law and there are laws in place against unwarranted search and seizure, trespassing on private property, and breaking and entering.

Unless there is clear evidence that would require officers to circumvent these laws to stop a greater crime from occurring, they need to err on the side of caution when deciding whether or not to enter a home without a warrant.

So if you were being held at gunpoint in your house, and the criminal didn't answer the door when the cops knocked you would want them to get a warrant before rescuing you?

 

[child of wonder]

So if you were being held at gunpoint in your house, and the criminal didn't answer the door when the cops knocked you would want them to get a warrant before rescuing you?

I'd want them to know for sure they had the right house and that something was actually going on.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

I thought for sure this was gonna be a big bad 'gubmint thread...lol

 

[NoStateofMind]

So this has nothing to do with gangs...

Sure it does. It's just a "legal" one.

The article is about Police abuse.....

Commonplace in todays society. Wonder why that is?

You have no corroborating story such as a main stream news article......

ok.....pulls up lawn chair and popcorn....

Most people do pull up lawn chairs and eat popcorn (figuratively obviously) when abuse takes place. Even while it happens right in front of them they feel no guilt or responsibility for the wellbeing of their fellow man because its "the law".

 

[Garet Jax]

So if you were being held at gunpoint in your house, and the criminal didn't answer the door when the cops knocked you would want them to get a warrant before rescuing you?

The irony of this statement is that if the cops knew someone was holding him at gunpoint, they wouldn't have climbed in through the window. They almost certainly waited for SWAT to arrive.

 

[gevorg]

Police-The Largest Street Gang in America

for those who don't get the reference

 

[shira]

What if the situation had played out a bit differently. Say the resident woke up to his dogs barking at something in the night. He grabs his AR out of the corner and goes to check to find unidentified people in a scuffle with his dogs and opens fire. Lets say hes a decent marksman and drops them both or one of them without being killed himself. However stray shots fired from police officers during the exchange kill his 9 month old child. Later questioning shows the bucket was left from where he locked himself out 2 days ago and had to climb in a unlocked window. Is he still to be prosecuted as a 'cop killer' for trying to protect his family while the cop gets away with killing a child? At what point can we put some kind of restrictions on the police instead of a do whatever you want and get away with it mentality.

Sounds like a good reason to NOT own a gun and "defend" yourself.

 

[OverVolt]

I don't get it they live in a bad neighborhood and the police busted in looking for a drug dealer.

 

[mizzou]

it's not the police that's the problem, it's Florida.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

In most if not all states police entry is an exception to the castle doctrine. Meaning that for a valid self-defense plea, the shoot would have to be reasonable under the circumstances. So, for example, if he sees men with guns and can't see their uniforms or badges, he might be OK. If it's clear they're police, probably not. Ultimately a jury decides.

Bahahahahahaahahaha yeah right... ROFL....


Cops do no knocks at the wrong address, and an old woman who shoots a 22 in the air is gunned down by 100+++ bullets from a swat team.


If you shoot a cop you are leaving the house in a bodybag.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

it's not the police that's the problem, it's Florida.

No, it's our fully militarized police system that is on the back end of a privately run prison system.

 

[Arkaign]

Sounds like a good reason to NOT own a gun and "defend" yourself.

You do realize that law-abiding gun owners actually have a lower % of 'error' killings than police, correct?

That doesn't take into account idiots who accidentally shoot themselves, but that's more of a darwin issue.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Also know that all pro home invasion crews dress like swat teams, complete with SWAT vests, riot gear, and they kick down the door while screaming POLICE!! over and over. They get everyone on the floor, use zip tie handcuffs, then proceed to rape any women in the home and viciously assault anyone who resists.




Personally, I am a 100% law abiding citizen. I keep my doors and windows locked.

If someone forcibly enters my home I could not care less what badge they have or what they're screaming, I will defend myself and my family to my death.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Sounds like a good reason to NOT own a gun and "defend" yourself.

Shira keep in mind that victims involved in these robbing/raping crews rarely speak out. They do not want their names and faces plastered in the paper. Women don't want their friends to know that they were raped by 4+ hooded thugs while their kids and husbands are forced to watch.

They just want to put it all behind them, to never think or hear about it again.


It happens ALL the time, in both large cities and small. Nice areas and poor areas.


If you are a law abiding citizen and someone kicks down your door it is FAR more likely to be a home invasion than a 'wrong address' no knock warrant.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

LMAO!!!!!!!!!! Yet another comedy gold thread in AT P&N

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Yup funny hilarious topic.

A crew of gang members I mean police officers illegally enter an innocent citizen's home, drag them out of their bed, close the bedroom door, then go BACK into a closed bedroom and execute their dogs since they won't stop barking (you know, with a bunch of cops screaming and yelling and dragging their owners out).