More Netanyuhu Chutzpah

[EagleKeeper]

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Haybasusa, I have to really question your reading comprehension. As you accuse me of
" You also demonstrate your utter contempt for Israelis." When I have always stated I only question the polices of the present Israeli government. Then you ignore the fact the ex-PM
and current Israeli defense minister has publicly stated he not only understands why Palestinians rebel at the royal screwing the Israeli government gave them from 1947 to the present, but Barack said, if he was Palestinian, he too would likely be a terrorists. Now here we are 65 years later, and the entire middle-East is one big powder keg. And in MHO, if we are going to avoid a bloodbath no one can win, its going to take consessions on both sides. And IMHO, the needed Israeli consession is a total settlement freeze in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza. So the world can progress to a point where both Israelis
and the surrounding Arab nations can know peace and co-operate with each other.

But still Hayabasua, I have almost no respect for you and your ego. As you seek to make my link, that has nothing to do with you, me, the IAEA, Israel, or Iran into a solely personal issue.

When my link concerns only Netanyuhu chutzpah and puts UN Chief Moon on the horns of a dillema. As Netanyuhu demands Moon should boycott a meeting of the 120 majority of UN member states just because, by the luck of the draw, that meeting will occur in Iran.

Where does that leave Moon? On on hand Moon can comply to the demands of Netanyuhu while offending almost 2/3 of UN members. But that decision by Moon will demand an rapid answer in the near term future.

What good is a concession when the Palestians refuse to consider peace.

They screwed themselves in '48 and had 30 Years after that to do something positive. But as long as Israel existed, they refused. They dig themselves into a deeper hole. And they still can not get their ducks in order.

Just like there once was an East Pakistan and West Pakistan, maybe there needs to be a East and West Palestine. That way each can distance themselves from the policies of the other.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

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Haybasusa, I have to really question your reading comprehension. As you accuse me of
" You also demonstrate your utter contempt for Israelis." When I have always stated I only question the polices of the present Israeli government. Then you ignore the fact the ex-PM
and current Israeli defense minister has publicly stated he not only understands why Palestinians rebel at the royal screwing the Israeli government gave them from 1947 to the present, but Barack said, if he was Palestinian, he too would likely be a terrorists. Now here we are 65 years later, and the entire middle-East is one big powder keg. And in MHO, if we are going to avoid a bloodbath no one can win, its going to take consessions on both sides. And IMHO, the needed Israeli consession is a total settlement freeze in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza. So the world can progress to a point where both Israelis
and the surrounding Arab nations can know peace and co-operate with each other.

But still Hayabasua, I have almost no respect for you and your ego. As you seek to make my link, that has nothing to do with you, me, the IAEA, Israel, or Iran into a solely personal issue.

When my link concerns only Netanyuhu chutzpah and puts UN Chief Moon on the horns of a dillema. As Netanyuhu demands Moon should boycott a meeting of the 120 majority of UN member states just because, by the luck of the draw, that meeting will occur in Iran.

Where does that leave Moon? On on hand Moon can comply to the demands of Netanyuhu while offending almost 2/3 of UN members. But that decision by Moon will demand an rapid answer in the near term future.

Interesting factoid. I don't know how many Iranians there are. I really don't care because I don't do what you do. I don't say how many Iranians do "X" because it's their leadership I object to. I do know that there are 7 million Israelis because you keep mentioning out. Those mere 7 million presume to tell the head of the UN to stuff it. You mention leadership but more likely than not drag in the whole population. Thats a key difference in perspective. You go after israel but I go after iranian leadership which I routinely point out as having crushed its people to maintain its political and religious control. Then you yet again attempt to rewrite the history of the IAEA in Iraq. Then you go on about Israel being the greatest threat while if there is a crisis it will be those same leaders of Iran who will willfully attempt to punish everyone else.

While that's all true you can't understand it and that is my problem. I don't hate the Iranians enough to count them all as enemies.

 

[Lemon law]

Hayabasusa, you finally make an iota of progress, but we are talking about a meeting of 120 Non Aligned nations that represent 40-50% of the population of the planet earth.

Why should anyone care where the meeting is randomly taking place at? Who thinks the set of Non aligned Nations will allow just Iran to dictate their agenda? Why should they be denied a voice just because Israeli policy is so questional and counter productive to world peace.

As for EK, we can always rely on EK to be a Israeli propagandists fine bullshit prevayer, who cares if I don't buy EK's bullshit? When what matters is how many UN nation believe Israel propaganda!

As there is a growing movement inside of the UN to abolish the UN security council veto that has done such a poor job of acheiving world peace or any progress in that direction.

 

[cybrsage]

The UNSC will veto any attempt to remove their veto power.

 

[cybrsage]

Israeli has been predicting it would get nuked by Iran within 2 years, each and every year since 2003.

Can you show me links to these claims? You will only need to show 9 claims.

 

[ky54]

Netanyuhu is the only player in the middle east game that is actually on our side... a claim even our own president can't substantially make.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Remember, if you criticise Israel, you are anti-semitic.

 

[cybrsage]

Remember, if you criticise Israel, you are anti-semitic.

Not true. If you call for the destruction of the only place on Earth where Jews know their religion will not be outlawed, you very likely are anti-semetic.

 

[techs]

Jews love Obama

 

[Lemon law]

Can you show me links to these claims? You will only need to show 9 claims.

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Well try this one cybrsage.

https://sites.google.com/site/cocaa...alarms-about-irans-nuclear-energy-development

But that is the problem cybrsage with war and propaganda. As the first cauality is always rationality and any way of understanding the truth.

But sadly its why I say the current Israeli governments strategy is unsustainable, as they demand the USA keep giving them arms so they remain the best armed nation in the mid-east by a large margin while the US government goes broke. Right now Iran is only one Israeli worry, as 300 million Arabs with oil money and able to afford an arms race with Israel will win in the end.

As I have always maintained, Israeli Arab co-operation is the only sustainable policy. As Israeli techology has so much to offer a water starved region like the mid-east.

 

[Jhhnn]

Not true. If you call for the destruction of the only place on Earth where Jews know their religion will not be outlawed, you very likely are anti-semetic.

The US constitution doesn't provide that protection? Really?

Maybe Catholics "know" that the Vatican is the only place on earth where their religion won't be outlawed either, huh?

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

No kidding, someone tell Montreal that.

 

[Lemon law]

When I posted this thread some 12 days ago, I had hoped that this would be yes no question regarding UN Chief Ba K Moon attending or not attending the meeting of Non-alligned Nations that happens, by chance, be in Tehran. IMHO, Iran is just one member of the 120 member set of UN non alligned nations ditributed all over the planet.

As also, IMHO, under normal circumstances, it would be a no brainer that UN chief Ba K Moon should attend such a meeting of the bulk the 192 UN members and hear their collective concerns.

But circa 8/10/2012 Netanyuhu called Ba k Moon and demanded Ba K Moon not attend simply because it might give Iran a voice in airing its legitimate and arguably non legitimate concerns. While basically giving the other non alligned nations no voice either
as its somewhat absurd that all those other non-Iranian nations have no other issues than purely Iranian issues and will allow Iran to dictate their agenda.

As Netanyuhu put Ba K Moon on the horns of a dillema, as a binary yes no answer is
required from Ba K Moon.

As it now looks like the answer is in and Ba K Moon will attend. Although I can't validate how good the source is.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-...alized-plans-to-attend-tehran-summit-1.459511

 

[zanejohnson]

The irony of our times. Right wing self described super patriots want US policy to be set by the leader of a foreign nation.

my god, the poles have shifted.

 

[blankslate]

Anti-semitism. The cornerstone and pillar of a true liberal and this president.

The Palestinians can be considered semites or a semitic people as well.

As for Israel it's fine that they have the largest nuclear arsenal in the middle east. Everyone knows they have it and it keeps their adversaries at bay for the most part.

What's not fine is trying to pressure us to bomb the shit out of Iran or otherwise trying to get us to take a pre-emptive interventionist policy there. We're still dealing with the costs from the last time we did that.

 

[cybrsage]

The US constitution doesn't provide that protection? Really?

Really. You did not hear about the ballot initiatives to outlaw the Brit Milah (circumcision)?

Maybe Catholics "know" that the Vatican is the only place on earth where their religion won't be outlawed either, huh?

If you call for the destruction of the Vatican, you are most certainly anti-catholic. The concept is not a hard one to understand.

 

[cybrsage]

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Well try this one cybrsage.

https://sites.google.com/site/cocaa...alarms-about-irans-nuclear-energy-development

That does not support his claim. Here is his claim:

Israeli has been predicting it would get nuked by Iran within 2 years, each and every year since 2003.

 

[JoeyP]

Genuine criticism of Israel (when not disguised as thinly veild Jew hate) doesn't make someone anti-Semitic by any means. if that were the case, that would make me an anti-Semite because I have had genuine criticisms of some Israeli policies in the past.

Very true. I do not support our nation's ongoing alliance with Israel. They are now self-sufficient (thanks to decades of assistance from us) as a country, so let's cut them loose. Next time we're in trouble, we'll have our hand out, and I hope they come to our rescue.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Is the UN chief developing some brass ...
Link

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"I strongly reject threats by any member state to destroy another or outrageous attempts to deny historical facts, such as the Holocaust," Ban said. "Claiming that another UN member state, Israel, does not have the right to exist, or describing it in racist terms, is not only utterly wrong but undermines the very principles we have all pledged to uphold."
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[lupi]

Wasn't there some mandate by september of last year that israel was going to be divided up back to proper palestine control?

 

[Lemon law]

Ek is of course correct about the Ba-k Moon statement. But I ask who the Moon Statement was aimed at?

As I also maintain I was overall correct about the NAM conference not allowing Iran to set the agenda. As even before Ba-K Moon spoke at NAN, Morsi of Egypt spoke and delivered a speech at NAM that roundly condemded Assad of Syria being a mass murderer of his own people. Which caused the Syrian delegation at NAM to walk out, but it also sent a message to an embarrassed Iran that the other 118 members of NAM were not supportive of any Iranian support of Assad.

But still, going back to the Ba-K Moon comment about denying the Holocaust. It puts the real powers that govern Iran, Namely the Supreme Ayotolla and the Mullahs on a horns of a dilemma. As by in large, its MAINLY ONLY the powerless figure head President of Iran named Achmanejad that is pushing that holocaust denying position in Iran.

And now the entire nation of Iran without BA-K Moon mentioning any specific nation, has been collectively dopeslapped by Both NAM and the world in general, I suspect even the Mullah's of Iran will get the clue that Achmadijad has to go because he keeps getting Iran in international hot water for his stupid motor mouth Rhetoric few in Iran support. And if the Mullahs want Achmadijad gone they have more than enough power to do so. The Mullahs have already hauled Achminijad on the carpet several times recently, but I too hope this is end of Achmadijad and the last straw.