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More Lutz: CTS-V Coupe confirmed, CTS-V Sportwagon, if needs suffice.

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The Big Three had the engineering talent and sales to compete with the Euros/Japs. What killed them was unions and health care costs in this system.

After bankruptcy I predict good things from GM...assuming they don't lose their drive.
 
Originally posted by: ja1484

The Big Three had the engineering talent and sales to compete with the Euros/Japs. What killed them was unions and health care costs in this system.

After bankruptcy I predict good things from GM...assuming they don't lose their drive.
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Union did not kill the companies, the pig headed management did.
 
Both, really. Compensating union workers wasn't in line with competitors in the industry...and GM's health programs for retirees didn't foresee the sale of the US health care industry to the insurance industry.

But yes, bad decisions on design and production certainly caused their plummeting sales over the past ~5 years+.
 
Originally posted by: ja1484
Both, really. Compensating union workers wasn't in line with competitors in the industry...and GM's health programs for retirees didn't foresee the sale of the US health care industry to the insurance industry.

But yes, bad decisions on design and production certainly caused their plummeting sales over the past ~5 years+.
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Oh, I contend the management is responsible. They gave in to unreasonable union demands.

Well, the entire compensation scheme is to blame. Before all that shit the CEOs actually cared about the company, now it's just "how can I best maximise my comp? Fuck the company"
 
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: ja1484

The Big Three had the engineering talent and sales to compete with the Euros/Japs. What killed them was unions and health care costs in this system.

After bankruptcy I predict good things from GM...assuming they don't lose their drive.
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Union did not kill the companies, the pig headed management did.
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Heh, go work with some UAW guys. The ones where I worked were impressively lazy...the majority just completely didn't give a shit.
 
read the posts on the camaro, hopefully they get if fixed soon. gm needs all the cash they can get from these hot selling cars
 
Originally posted by: Sukhoi
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: ja1484

The Big Three had the engineering talent and sales to compete with the Euros/Japs. What killed them was unions and health care costs in this system.

After bankruptcy I predict good things from GM...assuming they don't lose their drive.
Click to expand...

Union did not kill the companies, the pig headed management did.
Click to expand...

Heh, go work with some UAW guys. The ones where I worked were impressively lazy...the majority just completely didn't give a shit.
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Whats screwed-up is that a lot of these UAW guys are in MI, the state with prety much the highest unemployment in the county. I bet if they kicked the unions to the curb, and offered jobs to the masses at 100% of the UAW wage (minus all the rediculous union perks like paying for years when laid off) I bet you they would be 100% employed in very short order. If they are smart, there are people who would kill for a job making this kind of money for relatively unskilled labor. If they don't get good workers in MI, go somewhere else in the US.
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
The CTS Coupe is very G37esque.

CTS Coupe

G37 Coupe

I bet that high belt line on the Cadillac really makes outward visibility horrible.
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Well that is the coupe concept. I think the roofline is a little higher in the production version, so visibility shouldn't be that bad. Though I bet the massive C pillars will give it blind spots you could park a tank in.

Sexy as hell though. :thumbsup:
 
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