More Liberal Totalitarianism - New Smoking age in NYC -21

himkhan

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I think there is a saying about going to the well too many times.

You = Boring.

That sound you hear is people turning their back on you.
 

brycejones

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You, your, you're learn the correct one to use while ranting please.

Also at least be honest enough to put abortion in your thread title when really this is just another back door abortion troll thread.
 

DominionSeraph

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That's the legal age to buy cigarettes. It says nothing about the legal age to smoke them. L2read.
 

Greenman

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None of you find it odd that at 18 you can go off to war, you can have sex with anyone who says yes (and is 18), you can have an abortion, you can vote, but you can't buy a pack of smokes?

I guess I'll be the first one to say thats insane.
 

fskimospy

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None of you find it odd that at 18 you can go off to war, you can have sex with anyone who says yes (and is 18), you can have an abortion, you can vote, but you can't buy a pack of smokes?

I guess I'll be the first one to say thats insane.

I agree, the age for smoking, drinking, etc should all be 18. That's when society has decided you are an adult, so that's when you should have the agency of an adult.

By the way OP, are you ever going to revisit your climate change thread? We're all eagerly awaiting your insight.
 

Whiskey16

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http://news.msn.com/us/new-york-raises-minimum-age-to-buy-cigarettes-to-21-1

Talk about a bunch of hypocrites. I thought you allowed to do whatever you want to your own body.

but liberals know what's good for you.

Kill a baby = ok.
smoke = bad.
Where is the hypocrisy? No personal and societal ill from cigarette addicts?

michael1980, others have also noted that you've run off to start up this thread to somehow question the effects of long term smoking are not bad upon society? This certainly is not a case of a simple and isolated choice of an individual. Those tobacco companies want to corrupt and gain addicts at younger ages as they are most likely to be retained as paying customers for a longer period of time and thereby consuming greater amounts to maintain the viability and possible growth of the industry.

...... Too ashamed of your performance as a discredited shill in your previous thread:
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Global Warming Nutter 'scientists' Suppressing science ?

Directly in that thread I cited an article concerning Manufactured Doubt, ironically not simply that of climate science, but of originating back to big tobacco's marketed defence of its product and slanderous discretization of medical science that irrefutably damned that product and industry:

In 1954, the tobacco industry realized it had a serious problem. Thirteen scientific studies had been published over the preceding five years linking smoking to lung cancer. With the public growing increasingly alarmed about the health effects of smoking, the tobacco industry had to move quickly to protect profits and stem the tide of increasingly worrisome scientific news. Big Tobacco turned to one the world's five largest public relations firms, Hill and Knowlton, to help out. Hill and Knowlton designed a brilliant Public Relations (PR) campaign to convince the public that smoking is not dangerous. They encouraged the tobacco industry to set up their own research organization, the Council for Tobacco Research (CTR), which would produce science favorable to the industry, emphasize doubt in all the science linking smoking to lung cancer, and question all independent research unfavorable to the tobacco industry. The CTR did a masterful job at this for decades, significantly delaying and reducing regulation of tobacco products. George Washington University epidemiologist David Michaels, who is President Obama's nominee to head the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA), wrote a meticulously researched 2008 book called, Doubt is Their Product: How Industry's Assault on Science Threatens Your Health. In the book, he wrote: "the industry understood that the public is in no position to distinguish good science from bad. Create doubt, uncertainty, and confusion. Throw mud at the anti-smoking research under the assumption that some of it is bound to stick.
michael1980, you're a one-trick shill running forth with a shot-gun approach to keep on slinging shit with the hopes it to stick, but regularly being damned, discredited and then running away with a loss.
 
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DominionSeraph

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None of you find it odd that at 18 you can go off to war, you can have sex with anyone who says yes (and is 18), you can have an abortion, you can vote, but you can't buy a pack of smokes?

I guess I'll be the first one to say thats insane.

It's a ban on sale. If you're 81 you can't sell a cocaine to an 18 year old, nor can you sell them a pack of cigarettes in NYC.
 

Moonbeam

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michal has a brain defect. He is not able to reason logically. His amygdala causes him the use what intellect he has to blind him to facts he will find painful if he did accurately reason. There are many like this and cunning people use these kinds of irrational brains for their own selfish purposes. The nut case political right of America has been carefully constructed with this in mind. Wise wealthy people cultivate and stoke these kinds of amygdala a normals by constant fear stimuli as ants feed a fungus garden. They are to be pitied because they are incapable of knowing they can only regurgitate and cannot actually think.
 

dmcowen674

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michal has a brain defect. He is not able to reason logically. His amygdala causes him the use what intellect he has to blind him to facts he will find painful if he did accurately reason. There are many like this and cunning people use these kinds of irrational brains for their own selfish purposes. The nut case political right of America has been carefully constructed with this in mind. Wise wealthy people cultivate and stoke these kinds of amygdala a normals by constant fear stimuli as ants feed a fungus garden. They are to be pitied because they are incapable of knowing they can only regurgitate and cannot actually think.

I wouldn't call getting paid to post bullshit a brain defect.

You and I have over 100,000 posts between us.

Imagine if the Koch brothers were paying just $1 a post.
 

CLite

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Absolutely stupid law, we should stop treating young adults like helpless children. If you don't want people smoking just ban it, if you are ok with adults smoking it then set the age to 18. However, all they want to do is win political points so they go down the quasi-prohibition path that has failed utterly whenever implemented. Now they can fall all over themselves congratulating each other on savings lives.

Credit to the OP for a continued streak of talking about killing babies in unrelated topics, Freud would have a field day with him.
 

michal1980

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I forgot, we can only post things on this forum that paint the republicans in a negative light.
 

dank69

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I agree, the age for smoking, drinking, etc should all be 18. That's when society has decided you are an adult, so that's when you should have the agency of an adult.

By the way OP, are you ever going to revisit your climate change thread? We're all eagerly awaiting your insight.
It's probably because the brain hasn't finished developing at 18. It is still susceptible to permanent damage from smoke/alcohol at that age and coincidentally the part that is underdeveloped is the part that is responsible for making choices based on long-term consequences, like permanently damaging your brain in order to appear cool to your friends.

Maybe we should rethink our strategy of taking advantage of young adults' ability to think ahead in order to dupe them into joining the military as well?
 

Newell Steamer

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A few lesser years for them to kill themselves slowly.

They can catch up with 4 to 5 packs a day once they turn 21.
 

fskimospy

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It's probably because the brain hasn't finished developing at 18. It is still susceptible to permanent damage from smoke/alcohol at that age and coincidentally the part that is underdeveloped is the part that is responsible for making choices based on long-term consequences, like permanently damaging your brain in order to appear cool to your friends.

Maybe we should rethink our strategy of taking advantage of young adults' ability to think ahead in order to dupe them into joining the military as well?

I'd be open to the argument that people could be considered minors until age 21. (or if you wanted to go for when the brain finishes developing, 25?) I doubt our society is going to go for that, though.

Regardless of what age we choose, the ability to smoke and drink should certainly coincide with the ability to sign yourself up to be shot to death.
 

mikeymikec

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OP, learn the meaning of words before using them, especially if you're going to couple them with words like 'hypocrite':

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

And if I look up the mayor or NYC, he's been a democrat, a republican and an independent candidate, and reading the wikipedia page regarding his political stance, he doesn't seem to be staunch anything...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg#Political_stands

Regardless of what age we choose, the ability to smoke and drink should certainly coincide with the ability to sign yourself up to be shot to death.

Seems logical.
 
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dank69

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I'd be open to the argument that people could be considered minors until age 21. (or if you wanted to go for when the brain finishes developing, 25?) I doubt our society is going to go for that, though.

Regardless of what age we choose, the ability to smoke and drink should certainly coincide with the ability to sign yourself up to be shot to death.

Yup, it's all a very gray area. I personally think 18 should be the age for all these things. I prefer a government that protects us from other people, not ourselves.
 

michal1980

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OP, learn the meaning of words before using them, especially if you're going to couple them with words like 'hypocrite':

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

And if I look up the mayor or NYC, he's been a democrat, a republican and an independent candidate, and reading the wikipedia page regarding his political stance, he doesn't seem to be staunch anything...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg#Political_stands



Seems logical.

ummm bloomberg is not mayor
 

Moonbeam

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Conservatives fear a nanny state on which elites tell the masses what to do, but there are real elites who have, and know how to live better lives than others. Mormons would be a good example. The body is a temple . No smoking. Smoking, for the health of the human body is unhealthy. This is an objective fact. There are no logical reasons to smoke. Therefore, for the good of people, it should be illegal.

Also, everywhere I go here, now in London, like the rest of Europe, there are cigarette butts, everywhere. It is disgusting. The cost to society for smoking related illnesses is also massive and unnecessary. Then there is the human misery caused by the loss of people who die early. The logic is obvious to any objective mind. People should not be allowed to use substances that are sold simply because people have been duped into becoming addicted.

Smoking is just another predatory practice the cunning and fucking swine worthless use to enrich themselves at the expense of folk propagandized into becoming victims.
 
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