More international critism of Israeli Gaza policy.

[Lemon law]

Kind of New york Times link days for me.

As another report very critical of Israeli Gaza policy emerges.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/world/middleeast/20gaza.html?ref=middleeast

Just one more reason to demand that Israel gets the hell out of Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem.

 

[manimal]

can we merge all the current Isreal threads into one mega thread?

 

[MotF Bane]

Israel needs to claim these territories permanently, offer citizenship to the inhabitants, and compensation for destroyed property.

 

[piasabird]

Too bad everything is not this simple. You think if Isreal tries to make peace that the palestinians are just going to play nice and make peace? I just wish it was possible.

 

[Lemon law]

Too bad everything is not this simple. You think if Isreal tries to make peace that the palestinians are just going to play nice and make peace? I just wish it was possible.

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Just one more what came first the chicken or the egg question. Do Palestinians rebel against Israel because Israel denies them basic human rights or is Israel justified in denying Palestinians human rights because they attacked Israel first? (even if that is a crock because it was surrounding Arab States and not Palestinians who attacked Israel in 1948. )

Maybe a kinda weird question in the end. Because a good percentage of Palestinians were born under an Israeli occupation, and how can any humane nation visit perpetual hereditary guilt on a new born baby?

But Israel certainly does.

Is that right? I for one think not? But maybe various Israeli fan clubbers can somehow see the Israeli moral justifications that escapes me.

Maybe piasabird can somehow enlighten the rest of us?????????????????????????

Please piasabird do so. The world is wondering and waiting.

 

[cubby1223]

various Israeli fan clubbers

The only "fan clubber" around here is you!!!

 

[Fear No Evil]

Yippie! Another Lemon Head Israel rant! Can we please rename the forum 'Lemon Head's Israel Rantings'?

 

[Lemon law]

I notice, when I ask a rational question about perpetual hereditary guilt that no one wants to answer, rather than answering, I get accused of ranting.

When I actually submitted someone's report critical of Israeli behavior in Gaza they don't bother to rebut either.

 

[ChunkiMunki]

Wow, a report critical of Israel, that's virtually unheard of.

 

[nick1985]

Wow, a report critical of Israel, that's virtually unheard of.

especially from the new york times. This is unheard of

 

[nageov3t]

international opinion and $2 will get you a cup of coffee.

 

[Murloc]

Israel needs to claim these territories permanently, offer citizenship to the inhabitants, and compensation for destroyed property.

yeah right.
You know why they ain't gonna do it?
because israelians want to have a jew state with jews controlling all the government.

 

[cubby1223]

when I ask a rational question

hehehe, you really are full of yourself

Even though you put a question mark at the end, you were in no way asking a question, just making another statement.

 

[Freshgeardude]

hhahaah and the most important part of that article.

But 10 years ago, when the second Palestinian uprising broke out, spreading violence in Israeli streets, Israeli tanks started repeatedly tearing through the family’s fields, chasing militants.

palestinian violence, israel protect its own.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I notice, when I ask a rational question about perpetual hereditary guilt that no one wants to answer, rather than answering, I get accused of ranting.
of course nobody wants to answer -- your making up your own terminology as you go.
Do a yahoo or google search what do you get?? nada...or almost nade...
but the main reason why nobody myself included wants to humor you is because it does not apply at all!! Your supposed questions are not questions at all!!
They are worded in such a way as to make your opinion look like it is the only correct opinion.
We all know by other threads that there is no simple solution.

When I actually submitted someone's report critical of Israeli behavior in Gaza they don't bother to rebut either. -- we don`t need to rebut somebody elses report.
There are two sides to this. You do the same thing when other submit reports critical of Hamas, or the Palestinians. You go to bat blindly for your people.
So which parent was a Palestinian?

You sort of lost a lot of whatever credibility was left, with your unfounded genocide allegations.......

 

[Lemon law]

Now Jedi comes back with the question, "So which parent was a Palestinian?"

Well hell, I thought that question was already answered on other threads, but short answer, none noda, zipo and zip. I am 100 percent Scandinavian blood as if that ancestry makes a dime's worth of bias difference as an American citizen.

But there is something 100% defective with the JEDIYoda contention that nationalistic origin somehow overrides just plain ole American values fair play logic.

Sorry, JEDI, I cannot believe in apartheid religious States, I cannot believe in an Israel that bases itself on theft from Palestinians, I can't believe in irrational Arabs and Palestinians, but I can believe in a win win peace process to remove inequities.

Well Jedi, what is your national origins? And what do you base your bias on?

 

[cubby1223]

I am 100 percent Scandinavian blood

Will you denounce your ancestors for conquering and colonizing much of Europe and outward?

I cannot believe in an Israel that bases itself on theft from Palestinians

Just like how America is defined as theft from Indians?


I don't think you have quite grasped the concept that, well, you can't change history. Israel exists. You cannot go back and declare a do-over

 

[JEDIYoda]

Well Jedi, what is your national origins? And what do you base your bias on?

I am an Israeli/Polish Jew.
I believe that there should be two states. One Palestinian and one Israeli.
My issue is with people who believe Israel should do all the giving to the poor Palestinians.
When we both know the Palestinians are their own worse enema!
We also know that you flagrantly make up history as you go. You also make up terminology as you go.
Until recently you were throwing the word "genocide" around like an idot looking for ways draw attention to your cause.
Now the word you are using is "aparthied" as if it`s a total 100% bad thing.
The Palestinians elected Hamas knowing full well what they were getting themselves into.
We also know that there can be no peace in that part of the world without Hamas,Fatah the Palestinians themselves and the other Arab nations wanting a lasting peace.
We also know that the United Nations will never be allowed to mediate or send peacekeeping troops. It has been proven in the past that the UN Peacekeeping troops have a habit of turning and looking the other way.
Did it ever occur to you that what one percieves as bias the other percieves a truth.
Thus we fo round and around with the only real way to achieve anything is to let the past be the past and forge a new future. based on no preconcieved conditions!

It`s really too bad you were born to Scandanavian/Palestinian parents.

 

[Throckmorton]

Will you denounce your ancestors for conquering and colonizing much of Europe and outward?


Just like how America is defined as theft from Indians?


I don't think you have quite grasped the concept that, well, you can't change history. Israel exists. You cannot go back and declare a do-over

Seems like there's a big difference. Everybody acknowledges what happened to the Indians was wrong, but it's extremely politically incorrect to say the same thing about the Palestinians.

 

[Infohawk]

I don't think you have quite grasped the concept that, well, you can't change history. Israel exists. You cannot go back and declare a do-over

Tibet existed. Now it's part of China. Winners make history.

 

[nick1985]

Lets be clear.

Lemon law, if Hamas attacked Israel, you would NOT support an Israeli retaliation, correct?

 

[Orignal Earl]

hhahaah and the most important part of that article.



palestinian violence, israel protect its own.

I suppose it is an important part. Did you click the link ?

In Battling Gazans, Israelis Sow Seeds of Hate

RAFAH, Gaza Strip, Dec. 6— More than anything, Omar Jaber Dhuheir appears humiliated by what has happened to him. For decades, he poured his sweat into cultivating his two-acre parcel of the family property. He even nestled his home among the greenhouses so that he could tend his tomatoes and cucumbers around the clock.

Now he, his wife and his nine children are left with a single tent in the sand. A month ago, to build a new road for Jewish settlers, the Israeli Army razed his fields, obliterating his greenhouses and tearing into his seven-room house as his family ran out the back door. Mr. Dhuheir said he had left too quickly to rescue his life savings -- $88,000 worth of Jordanian dinars -- from under his mattress.

Today, his eyes pinched tight in embarrassment, Mr. Dhuheir gripped the tent pole as tears streamed down his face. His wife spoke for him, a flash of anger interrupting her melancholy.

''Enough with the intifada,'' Donya Dhuheir said. ''I hope there will be a war now.''

 

[Orignal Earl]

I am an Israeli/Polish Jew.

So your official title would be an American Israeli/Polish Jew ?

 

[cubby1223]

Seems like there's a big difference. Everybody acknowledges what happened to the Indians was wrong, but it's extremely politically incorrect to say the same thing about the Palestinians.

You know, there comes a point where one just has to recognize, that back in those times if given the chance, the Indians would have attempted to conquer Europe.

The Egyptians tried to conquer the world, the Persians tried to conquer the world, the Greeks tried to conquer the world, the Romans tried to conquer the world, the Muslims tried to conquer the world, the Vikings tried to conquer the world, the French tried to conquer the world, the Spanish tried to conquer the world, the English tried to conquer the world, the Germans tried to conquer the world, the Japanese tried to conquer the world, the Mongols tried to conquer the world, the Aztec tried to conquer the world, the Incas tried to conquer the world. And they *all* were brutal to outsiders.

That's the way life was. If the Indians were the ones to develop firearms & long range sea navigation first, we'd be discussing all the wrongs they did to Europeans. Were the Indians wrong when tribes were fighting other tribes to conquer lands throughout North America?

But this is a pointless topic to debate.

 

[Lemon law]

Cubby1223 comments after my post, " Originally Posted by Lemon law View Post
I am 100 percent Scandinavian blood
Will you denounce your ancestors for conquering and colonizing much of Europe and outward?"

Well, I have no problems renouncing the rape, pillage, and theft committed by my possibly Viking ancestors some 800 years ago.

But still I always found Vikings somewhat honest rascals, because they never told their victims that they were robbing, pillaging, kidnapping, and raping them for their own good. That dishonesty was a later development.

Of course not all Scandinavian were Viking, so my actual ancestry is unclear. I might imagine my distant Great great great great and many more greats thereafter grandfather on the bow of a long boat, hence my avitar, sailing south, starring through the southern mist, sword nearby, and with more muscles than Arnie Swartzenagger. A certain possible romantic pride in that, and for only $99.99 I can buy my own royal coat of arms to hang on my wall. But then again, I could be descended from the set of wimps that just stayed home and almost starved trying to get a bare living out of cold and rocky ground.

But even if I am descended from Viking, the romantic allure is insufficient to inspire me onto getting in my row boat, sailing south, so I can rob, rape, pillage, kidnap, and steal from the first hapless person I come across.

I will leave that to more warlike folks. Who now justify such acts by saying it was for their victims own good.