More guns at school ND style

[Puffnstuff]

Well in Bismark, ND the police department wants to arm school resource officers with AR-15's. I know there are mixed feelings about this but I remember going to school when no cops or guns were needed.

I find this degeneration to be very sad as it seemingly spirals out of control and don't subscribe to this mindset. Perhaps their SWAT team should be stationed around the city in close proximity to their schools for a rapid response instead of this.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/us/north-dakota-ar15-schools-trnd/index.html

 

[mdram]

i remember taking my guns to school. to go hunting on the way home

have the cars in the parking lot had them.

 

[glenn1]

Well in Bismark, ND the police department wants to arm school resource officers with AR-15's. I know there are mixed feelings about this but I remember going to school when no cops or guns were needed.

I find this degeneration to be very sad as it seemingly spirals out of control and don't subscribe to this mindset. Perhaps their SWAT team should be stationed around the city in close proximity to their schools for a rapid response instead of this.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/us/north-dakota-ar15-schools-trnd/index.html

It doesn't really matter to me what weapon(s) the police are carrying, if you harden one point it just will refocus efforts of evil people to a different attack vector.

 

[pauldun170]

Pardon me. Since I do not live in gun nut country and we get by with just some old retired guy with a name tag to handle school security, I'm just trying to get a sense of the local culture over in North Dakota.

Remind me again why the power of a AR-15 is needed over a regular sidearm like a 9MM?
Are they expecting mecha robots to invade?
It's North Dakota. How many "ter-ra-reest" are going to invade the school?
Is there a threat that South Dakota might try and invade North Dakota and take all their white women?

Is body armor readily available in North Dakota for sad faced murder chidren to wear before they go and shoot up the school because of 4chan dare? Is that why resource officers are in need of body armor?

Is North Dakota thinking this through? Shouldn't they also get armor vehicles just in case?

Based on current census data, there are 15 people in North Dakota. The remaining handful of residents only have a PO box there and treat North Dakota as their vacation home.

Isn't weed a big thing among North Dakotan's? Isn't everyone there too chill to be bothered with shooting up schools?

I think this is just a ploy by the resource officer community in North Dakota to get new guns to play with so they can justify some gun range time and maybe some wicked cool active shooter training.
Paintball\Airsoft gets kinda boring because the damn kids that flood the joint whenever you get the guys together to agree on a date to play.


edit: Sorry to Tom, Carl and the other guys can't remember their names) about the old retired guy comment. You are not old. You still have pep in your step. It's just a figure of speech or something.

 

[a777pilot]

i remember taking my guns to school. to go hunting on the way home

have the cars in the parking lot had them.

Did the same thing. No problem.

 

[a777pilot]

Pardon me. Since I do not live in gun nut country and we get by with just some old retired guy with a name tag to handle school security, I'm just trying to get a sense of the local culture over in North Dakota.

Remind me again why the power of a AR-15 is needed over a regular sidearm like a 9MM?
Are they expecting mecha robots to invade?
It's North Dakota. How many "ter-ra-reest" are going to invade the school?
Is there a threat that South Dakota might try and invade North Dakota and take all their white women?

Is body armor readily available in North Dakota for sad faced murder chidren to wear before they go and shoot up the school because of 4chan dare? Is that why resource officers are in need of body armor?

Is North Dakota thinking this through? Shouldn't they also get armor vehicles just in case?

Based on current census data, there are 15 people in North Dakota. The remaining handful of residents only have a PO box there and treat North Dakota as their vacation home.

Isn't weed a big thing among North Dakotan's? Isn't everyone there too chill to be bothered with shooting up schools?

I think this is just a ploy by the resource officer community in North Dakota to get new guns to play with so they can justify some gun range time and maybe some wicked cool active shooter training.
Paintball\Airsoft gets kinda boring because the damn kids that flood the joint whenever you get the guys together to agree on a date to play.


edit: Sorry to Tom, Carl and the other guys can't remember their names) about the old retired guy comment. You are not old. You still have pep in your step. It's just a figure of speech or something.

Where do you live?

Why does what some ND school deems acceptable for school protection seem to bother you so much?

 

[trenchfoot]

Off to the arms race we go:

Got a club? Well I'm gunna bring a knife.

Oh yeah? Well then I'm gunna bring a bigger knife with a goon attached to it.

Oh yeah? Well then I'm gunna bring a Co2 fed 22 pellet pistol and see if'n you-n-yer goon like the taste of lead stuck where yer teeth used to be.

Oh I'm supposed to be scared shitless now? Well then I'm just gunna have to bring a REAL pistol all loaded up that my daddy has ly'in around the house fer......pest control.

Oh yeah? Well I got a 12 ga. over/under shotgun that I can bring to the party!

Hah! That ain't shit! My brother got a AR all dressed up M4 style that can pluck yer eyebrows out at a hunnert yards and I know how to use it like I mean it!

Oh yeah? I betch'a it ain't full auto like the ones I got!

Heh, kid's toys made by Mattell I bet. Well I got a MG42 that my great grand daddy brought back from the war with Hitler an' it'll chop you up lickety-split, kaput!

And on and on and on and on......

 

[pauldun170]

Where do you live?

Why does what some ND school deems acceptable for school protection seem to bother you so much?

Doesn't really bother me at all.

Am I not allowed to respond to topics with flare?
Do you go through life doing things in the missionary position with the lights off?

How specific do you want me to be with where I live?
I'm not comfortable giving you my home address.

 

[outriding]

Did the same thing. No problem.

Lemme guess both of you were home schooled. That explains a lot

 

[hal2kilo]

Lemme guess both of you were home schooled. That explains a lot

Just from bumfuck nowhere.

 

[Jon-T]

Pardon me. Since I do not live in gun nut country and we get by with just some old retired guy with a name tag to handle school security, I'm just trying to get a sense of the local culture over in North Dakota.

Remind me again why the power of a AR-15 is needed over a regular sidearm like a 9MM?
Are they expecting mecha robots to invade?
It's North Dakota. How many "ter-ra-reest" are going to invade the school?
Is there a threat that South Dakota might try and invade North Dakota and take all their white women?

Is body armor readily available in North Dakota for sad faced murder chidren to wear before they go and shoot up the school because of 4chan dare? Is that why resource officers are in need of body armor?

Is North Dakota thinking this through? Shouldn't they also get armor vehicles just in case?

Based on current census data, there are 15 people in North Dakota. The remaining handful of residents only have a PO box there and treat North Dakota as their vacation home.

Isn't weed a big thing among North Dakotan's? Isn't everyone there too chill to be bothered with shooting up schools?

I think this is just a ploy by the resource officer community in North Dakota to get new guns to play with so they can justify some gun range time and maybe some wicked cool active shooter training.
Paintball\Airsoft gets kinda boring because the damn kids that flood the joint whenever you get the guys together to agree on a date to play.


edit: Sorry to Tom, Carl and the other guys can't remember their names) about the old retired guy comment. You are not old. You still have pep in your step. It's just a figure of speech or something.

Are you getting enough Omega 3 in your diet?

 

[pauldun170]

Police in Bismarck, North Dakota, want to put AR-15 rifles in some schools so school resource officers can respond more quickly in the event of an active shooter.

North Dakota's struggle with its expanding waistline continued last year, when the state's 32.2 percent adult obesity rate ranked ninth highest in the nation.

Average age for resource officers falls in the mid 40's

I think these should also be on their shopping list if they want to "respond more quickly in the event of an active shooter."

 

[pauldun170]

Lemme guess both of you were home schooled. That explains a lot

Prom night was awkward considering it was just with mom in the living room listening to Christian music.
Not saying that the sex was bad.
Just awkward

 

[pauldun170]

Are you getting enough Omega 3 in your diet?

I "liked" the Omega 3 fanclub Facebook page once. Does that count?

 

[Viper1j]

Well in Bismark, ND the police department wants to arm school resource officers with AR-15's. I know there are mixed feelings about this but I remember going to school when no cops or guns were needed.

I find this degeneration to be very sad as it seemingly spirals out of control and don't subscribe to this mindset. Perhaps their SWAT team should be stationed around the city in close proximity to their schools for a rapid response instead of this.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/us/north-dakota-ar15-schools-trnd/index.html

Is that the school where kids can hunt bears according to Betsy Devos? (Who names their kid Betsy these days?)

 

[pauldun170]

Side note: Found this interesting

Employees:
In 2017-18, Bismarck Schools was one of the largest employers in Bismarck: 1,034 teachers and 1,070 support staff, professional support staff, and administrators for a total of 2,104; 53% have master's degrees or higher. Our payroll was $103,326,441 million. Payroll and benefits typically make up about 86% of our total budget.

Enrollment:
We are the largest district in the state. The opening day enrollment in 2017-2018 was 6,119 in grades K-5, 2,958 in grades 6-8, and 3,700 in grades 9-12.

Facilities:
We have 28 buildings: 16 elementary schools, 3 middle schools, 3 senior highs, 1 alternative high school, an early childhood center, a Technical Center, a Career Academy, a Facilities and Transportation building, and the Hughes Educational Center for administration.

Graduates:
In 2018, Bismarck High graduated 245 students, Century graduated 262, Legacy 255, and South Central 30 for a total of 792.

National Honor Society & Presidential Education Awards:
NHS: 19% of students in grades 10-12 were recognized for having grades of B or higher in 2017-18.
PEA: 21% of seniors were honored for a GPA of A or higher and 85% percentile or above on a national exam.

Socio-Economic Status:
We use free and reduced meals as our basis for determining SES. In May of 2017-2018, the number of students who had qualified for free and reduced meals was 2,960 or 23.4%.

Student Race:
For 2017-18, the racial breakdown of BPS students was Caucasian, 82%; American Indian, 8.5%; Other, 9%.
https://www.bismarckschools.org/Page/386

http://bmda.org/about/major-employers/

Major Employers


State of North Dakota 4,600
Sanford Health 3,284
Bismarck Public School District 2,187
CHI St. Alexius 2,044
U.S. Government 1,200
City of Bismarck 988
Bismarck State College 719
Mandan Public School District 697
Aetna 660
University of Mary 642
Housing Industry Training (HIT) 641
MDU Resources Group 592
Bobcat/Doosan Company 582
Missouri Slope Lutheran Care Center 560
Basin Electric Power Cooperative 560
Mid-Dakota Clinic 550
Dan’s Supermarkets 476
Missouri Valley YMCA 475
National Information Systems Cooperative (NISC) 450
Walmart North 365
Burlington Northern Railroad 323
Cloverdale Foods 320
Burleigh County 315
Walmart South 300
Baptist Home 265
Walmart Mandan 237
Scheels Sports 236
United Tribes Technical College 225
Kadrmas, Lee & Jackson 214
Target 209
St. Vincent's Nursing Home 189
Kupper Chevrolet - Mandan 180
Sams Club 178
Bank of ND 177
Morton County 170
Lowes 160
Ramkota Bismarck 160
Bismarck-Mandan Parochial Schools 141
City of Mandan 140
Bismarck Tribune 131
Century Link 120
US Food Services 115
JC Penny 110
Kupper Chevrolet - Bismarck 110
Radisson Bismarck 109
Midwest Coca Cola 102
Kohls 100
April 2017

 

[Puffnstuff]

Is that the school where kids can hunt bears according to Betsy Devos? (Who names their kid Betsy these days?)

IDK but I'm certain that she's more concerned about her untethered yacht than their school name.

 

[a777pilot]

Sorry I tried to reply.

 

[Viper1j]

Sorry I tried to reply.

Semper fi

 

[balloonshark]

Why would you want a rifle in a potential close quarters battle? Also, the last thing you would want is some flunky "spraying and praying" around a bunch of students.

 

[Viper1j]

Why would you want a rifle in a potential close quarters battle? Also, the last thing you would want is some flunky "spraying and praying" around a bunch of students.

Not only that, but the 7.76mm round the M-16 (AR-15) fires moves so fast that will most likely take out any shooter, pass right through him and take out a couple of kids in the next room.

 

[pauldun170]

Not only that, but the 7.76mm round the M-16 (AR-15) fires moves so fast that will most likely take out any shooter, pass right through him and take out a couple of kids in the next room.

Law enforcement usually go for .223 when deciding on ar15s.

7.76 is for savages and people into beastiality

 

[Paladin3]

Why would you want a rifle in a potential close quarters battle? Also, the last thing you would want is some flunky "spraying and praying" around a bunch of students.

Flunky? Spraying and praying? School resource officers are almost always cops. Unless the shooter is closer than about 7 meters, I would take a rifle over a pistol any day. Controlled, accurate fire is much easier with a rifle than with a pistol, which becomes quickly useless at any real distance.

The AR-15 platform most commonly comes in 5.56mm or .223 caliber. With a soft point or hollow point bullet it is rare for it to over penetrate. It's the weapon of choice for a cop over a pistol if available and they have time to get to it. The main advantage of a handgun is that it is small, light and easy to carry. Unless the shooter is within that 7 meters, there is never a reason to use a pistol if a rifle such as an AR-15 is available.

You need to get a grip and stop exaggerating about things you really aren't very knowledgeable about.

 

[Paladin3]

Law enforcement usually go for .223 when deciding on ar15s.

7.76 is for savages and people into beastiality

Do you mean the 7.62mm, like what an AK style rifle is commonly chambered in? That's basically a .308 caliber, which is the round the military adopted in the M14 rifle when they downsized a bit from the .30-06 in the M1 back in the late 50's. It's a shorter case, which saved on brass and supposedly fed better in a semi-auto weapon.

It has relatively light recoil for a medium caliber round. Very common for hunting deer and other medium sized game. You can get it in an semi-auto AR styled rifle, too, usually called an AR-10. I have a bolt action .308 for hunting.

A 5.56/.223 was considered too light for hunting deer for a long time, but with modern bullets, proper loads, accurate bullet placement and within it's range limits, it's now considered acceptable, if at the lower end what an ethical hunter will use. It's a good round, but not anywhere near a powerhouse caliber.

 

[pauldun170]

Do you mean the 7.62mm, like what an AK style rifle is commonly chambered in? That's basically a .308 caliber, which is the round the military adopted in the M14 rifle when they downsized a bit from the .30-06 in the M1 back in the late 50's. It's a shorter case, which saved on brass and supposedly fed better in a semi-auto weapon.

It has relatively light recoil for a medium caliber round. Very common for hunting deer and other medium sized game. You can get it in an semi-auto AR styled rifle, too, usually called an AR-10. I have a bolt action .308 for hunting.

A 5.56/.223 was considered too light for hunting deer for a long time, but with modern bullets, proper loads, accurate bullet placement and within it's range limits, it's now considered acceptable, if at the lower end what an ethical hunter will use. It's a good round, but not anywhere near a powerhouse caliber.

I meant 7.62 but viper1j said 7.76 so it got stuck on my retina and I subconsciously typed it out.