More gub'ment waste: sea level rises affect DHS?

[Doc Savage Fan]

"extrapolating extremely limited data sets"?? I have no idea what you're talking about. But I'm sure you know a lot more about "good science" than NASA and the USGS...

I asked you to show me a detailed graph over the past 1000 years and we'll talk. I had hoped that you would actually learn something about this subject in your research...but I see that my hope was misplaced.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I did, srsly.

Then I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...please explain the strawman. Maybe you're more intelligent than I gave you credit for....then again, maybe not.

 

[werepossum]

Yes, I did read the whole article. No where in the article does it say that rising sea levels were not a contributing factor.

You see all facts have to be considered. Not your cherry picked ones.

You linked this article to "prove" sea levels are rising because it did not specifically say that rising sea levels were not a contributing factor? So do you understand that the article would "prove" with equal validity that Norfolk is being dragged under by a giant candy-striped purple Cthulhu monster? In other words, are you just basically dishonest, or are you truly this fucking stupid?

 

[Throckmorton]

I asked you to show me a detailed graph over the past 1000 years and we'll talk. I had hoped that you would actually learn something about this subject in your research...but I see that my hope was misplaced.

I don't think you get it... The sea level rise from global warming has happened over the past 100 years. Not sure why you're clinging to this Sunday morning logic "The sea level rose before, it can't be rising because of humans now!"

Let's get this straight. Sea level depends on temperature.

Here's a 1000 year temperature graph

 

[piasabird]

With all the earthquakes in the ocean, maybe the sea floor is rising????

There was an earthquake in the Pacific Ocean close to Japan yesterday.

Another possibility is the earth core temp is rising or more molten lava is being pushed to the layers closer to the surface. I wander what happens if water heats up. Does it expand???

Another possibility is that errosion causes the surface of the earth to be carried underwater, then that displaces water and causes the water level to rise.

My son tried to explain this to me once so I will throw it out there. Every year a layer of dust from space falls to the earth. Over time this layer can cause the ocean itself to rise. Every time you see meteorites they are burning up in our atmosphere and that dust falls to the earth.
Probably all of these play some part.

 

[theeedude]

Dubya is the moron who put Coast Guard and FEMA into the DHS. So rightwingers are barking up the wrong tree.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Dubya is the moron who put Coast Guard and FEMA into the DHS. So rightwingers are barking up the wrong tree.

At the time and circumstances, it made sense.

Since then the abuse and mishandling of DHS; they should be removed or DHS trimmed heavily back.

 

[bfdd]

Hmm. US farmers are planting much earlier. I guess they are just stupid.

and I used my heater more than last year, what's your point?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Hmm. US farmers are planting much earlier. I guess they are just stupid.

Consistently or just a one shot aberration. Across the country or in one small geographical area?

Most planting is subject to a 2-3 week window depending on the wetness of the ground. Heavy rains or a late snow will delay planting by days.

 

[Darwin333]

The government is taking responsible steps to ensure that they can control every aspect of our lives. That's all this is. It has nothing to do with anything else.

Clearly, you don't have a problem with that, but the overwhelming majority of Americans do.

Also, I do not think that climate change isn't real. I simply take the more realistic view that there is nothing we can do about it, because the climate has been changing for the last 5 billion years, and will continue to change long after the human race has turned to dust. We cannot control the climate anymore than we can affect the spin of the Earth. I also do not believe that change will be catastrophic, which is the assumption being made by the government, and the reason they need to "plan" on it.

If the overall temperature of the Earth changes by .1 degree celcius over the next 100 years, is that really something we need to plan for, or will even notice? I think not.

Shrug, I can see both sides of the argument.

Personally I don't believe the Ruskies are going to nuke us because of the entire MAD thing but I don't have an issue with the Pentagon having a pre-planned response just in case they do.

 

[Darwin333]

Dubya is the moron who put Coast Guard and FEMA into the DHS. So rightwingers are barking up the wrong tree.

So the leftwingers are perfectly content with leaving Bush's fuckups in place?

 

[werepossum]

Shrug, I can see both sides of the argument.

Personally I don't believe the Ruskies are going to nuke us because of the entire MAD thing but I don't have an issue with the Pentagon having a pre-planned response just in case they do.

I'm tempted to agree with Drebo just on my natural learned suspicion of government. But while I don't have much fear of global warming nor much faith in government's planning, if they assume that global warming means more and more severe hurricanes, etc. and plan accordingly then it's conceivable that the additional planning may help in the future. If nothing else, statistically we're bound to get hit with two simultaneous hurricanes or other major calamities, or a real mother of a CAT 5. Maybe we'll figure out some improved responses ahead of time.

 

[Darwin333]

My son tried to explain this to me once so I will throw it out there. Every year a layer of dust from space falls to the earth. Over time this layer can cause the ocean itself to rise. Every time you see meteorites they are burning up in our atmosphere and that dust falls to the earth.
Probably all of these play some part.

Its those fucking space bugs throwing rocks at us. I say we nuke em.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I don't think you get it... The sea level rise from global warming has happened over the past 100 years. Not sure why you're clinging to this Sunday morning logic "The sea level rose before, it can't be rising because of humans now!"

Let's get this straight. Sea level depends on temperature.

Here's a 1000 year temperature graph

I don't think you get it....I asked you for something very "simple" and you fail to deliver. Hmmmm....that's curious.

 

[Throckmorton]

I don't think you get it....I asked you for something very "simple" and you fail to deliver. Hmmmm....that's curious.

You don't understand the data at all. There isn't a yearly record of sea level before we started recording, so a 1000 year graph would have no meaning. It's a basically a fossil record. Just look at the graph you posted- there are a few points, not a continuous series of points for each year.
Here is an example of a study, but we can't view because we aren't subscribers http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WPN-45N44K7-1D&_user=10&_coverDate=05%2F31%2F1996&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1587192792&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=7fa8e1432e58588432d3bc0ea020db74&searchtype=a


But we do have continuous temperature data from the Vostok ice cores. Sea level is dependent on global average temperature. Get it now Curious George?

 

[monovillage]

It's always good to know that someone has cast a skeptical eye on the Vostok cores and other deep and shallow ice cores and shown in different peer reviewed papers that there are some valid questions about the data.

http://www.greenworldtrust.org.uk/Science/Scientific/CO2-ice-HS.htm#core

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You don't understand the data at all. There isn't a yearly record of sea level before we started recording, so a 1000 year graph would have no meaning. It's a basically a fossil record. Just look at the graph you posted- there are a few points, not a continuous series of points for each year.
Here is an example of a study, but we can't view because we aren't subscribers http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WPN-45N44K7-1D&_user=10&_coverDate=05%2F31%2F1996&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1587192792&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=7fa8e1432e58588432d3bc0ea020db74&searchtype=a


But we do have continuous temperature data from the Vostok ice cores. Sea level is dependent on global average temperature. Get it now Curious George?

If sea level rise is dependent on temperature, why has sea level increased from the year 1000 to 1900? Your temperature graph shows a distinct decline during this period.