More goodness from Uncle Ted...

[mooseracing]

Obama, King of Fools
by Ted Nugent

It is a defining indicator that the embarrassing, self inflicted dumbing down of America is all but complete when people vote against their own self-interest.

I'll say it: it is obvious that many Americans are not very smart. Quite dumb, actually. To listen to the Sirius radio interview with Obama voters from Harlem mindlessly cheering on Obama as the interviewer attributes McCain's policies to the Democrats is pathetic and an inescapable indicator of the blind leading the blind. Not Godbless or goddam America! God help America.

Trying to explain how our economy works and why lowering taxes is always better for them and their country, than imposing higher taxes is an economic bridge too far for many of the Obama sheep. Unfortunately there is no "See Spot & the Economy Run" book for the hooked on phonics crowd. Many of these numbskulls can't balance a check book or spell "e-c-o-n-o-m-i-c-s" but they sure know who will give them stuff. The lie is impossible.

Expecting these idiotscitizens to have analyzed the tax positions of Obama and McCain and arrive at a decision that truly benefits them and America is wishful thinking. The reason is that they know zilch about how the economy operates and worse, don't care. Bama will take care of us. Four very scary things-a sow grizzly with cubs at closerange, a coiled rattlesnake in striking distance, me in a rental car in the left lane, and dunces with credit cards.

And indeed they are dunces, products of a tax burning, failed public education system. That is, if they even bothered to complete high school. They don't read newspapers or books, and even if they did, I got twenty bucks that says they couldn't comprehend what they read. They are morons in the first degree. And clearly, they vote.

If and when President Obama attempts to impose his wrong-headed, punitive tax structure, their stupidity is going to come back to thump them upside their vacuous heads with a very painful crowbar of reality. The economy works in strange and wondrous ways and has a unique way of severely punishing fools. Rare justice is a beautiful thing.

These dunderheads have no clue how the economic mess was largely caused by Democrats, including Obama. But Obama, recognizing how gullible, naive and dumb many of his supporters are, drummed it into them that the economic mess was caused by President Bush and the Republicans and that he is going to give 95% of Americans a tax cut when 40% of Americans don't even pay any federal taxes. Investing deception capital in the stupidity of his supporters was a very wise move on Obama's part. That is if you don't really care about anything except getting elected.

McCain had no marketable answer to Obama's charge because McCain knew that attempting to explain the economy to dumb people is impossible in 30 second commercials.

Fantasy driven clowns like the idea of believing they are getting something for nothing. What they receive, however, is always scraps from the economic table. They are too dumb to recognize this and thus condemn themselves to a pathetic life clinging to the lowest rungs of the economic ladder. Their stupidity sentences them to a life of poverty and despair.

The President Obama tax plan punishes the producers -- the people who employ the majority of Americans. In Joe the Plumber terms, economic crap will quickly flow down hill and punish the employees. I mean former employees. The result of spreading the wealth around is spreading unemployment around.

Conversely, the McCain economic plan was based on tax cuts, which spur the economy forward, create jobs, and raise the standard of living for everyone. Pretty simple stuff, unless you are a stooge, comfortable in your ignorance who is easily manipulated and believes someone owes you something, such as healthcare and a job.

Do yourself and America a favor. Stay in or go back to school. It's the economy, stupid.

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I'm not a McCain fan, but I enjoy Ted's thinking. I think we have the same morons in Congress as well. Instead of working I should be trying to live on Welfare, while still getting better housing than I have, lease new cars, and get a bailout to pay my leases.

Maybe someday the majority of America will actually vote for someone that will make a difference in a positive way insteading of continuing to try and put the spoon in the majority of the voting publics mouth.

Sometimes it would also seem likes it time for a natual disaster to happen to slim the bottom feeders out of the population.

The rest of you can enjoy your "1984" scene.

 

[winnar111]

Welfare is welfare even if you call it a 'tax cut'. Hopefully I can collect a few checks; everyone can sit around and play wow all day.

 

[StageLeft]

yeayyeayeayh I've seen moronic democrats and moronic republicans. I don't see either party any less brain dead than the other. Both are brain dead, but the first half skim of your post seems to me this ted fellow thinks obama fans are uniquely stupider. In the last election, republicans were the uniquely stupider ones. It's just in general I think both parties are equally stupid, but in the last election only a complete fvckup would have voted for mccain.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: winnar111
Welfare is welfare even if you call it a 'tax cut'. Hopefully I can collect a few checks; everyone can sit around and play wow all day.

What the fuck kind of high power stupid are you smoking??

So giving a bum FREE money is welfare, and taking LESS money from a working person is still welfare??

Riiiiight........

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: mooseracing

I'm not a McCain fan, but I enjoy Ted's thinking. I think we have the same morons in Congress as well. Instead of working I should be trying to live on Welfare, while still getting better housing than I have, lease new cars, and get a bailout to pay my leases.

Maybe someday the majority of America will actually vote for someone that will make a difference in a positive way insteading of continuing to try and put the spoon in the majority of the voting publics mouth.

Sometimes it would also seem likes it time for a natual disaster to happen to slim the bottom feeders out of the population.

The rest of you can enjoy your "1984" scene.

Ted Nugent is an idiot, and you are not too impressive for thinking he's not.

Just for you, I skimmed bits of his latest ranting, and you have it all wrong.

You really think that the reason McCain had no answer to Obama was that the public was just too idiotic to get McCain's right, informed, correct message? In other words, Sarah Palin was saying something something too well educated for the public? John McCain himself admitted he knew little about economics, and his message was the one that was empty and filled with jingoisitc, pandering catch phrases - indeed so empty he could do little more than toss the words 'socialist' or 'Marxist' about Obama.

Nugent praises tax cuts without any indication he has a clue that who they go to matters, about how to balance them, about how they can do harm or good.

He shows no clue about the problems cause by the record level high concentration of wealth going on.

He was projecting, in his accusations the public are idiots.

You say maybe someday the country will vote for someone who holds Nugent's views. George Bush was his poster child saying all the things he liked.

Where's Nugent's admission how badly that worked out? How many 'tries' does your side want? I think most of the last 25 years is enough for your side.

Enough bad wars, enouigh corrupt spending, enough turning government into the enemy of the people's interests and not their servant.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: winnar111
Welfare is welfare even if you call it a 'tax cut'. Hopefully I can collect a few checks; everyone can sit around and play wow all day.

What the fuck kind of high power stupid are you smoking??

So giving a bum FREE money is welfare, and taking LESS money from a working person is still welfare??

Riiiiight........

Do you think there should be any taxes? If not, describe how you would make the nation work without them.

If you do, there's the idea of people paying 'their fair share' of the taxes.

When you cut one groups's taxes below their 'fair share' for reasons of 'corruption' to serve that group and shift the tax burden onto others, ou can call that a form of welfare.

It may not be as black and white since the definition of 'fair share' is not black and white, but the analogy is a lot better than you say. The bum's fair share is zero, if he has nothing.

That's why we want democratic programs like welfare that turn bums into workers who pay taxes, not Republican policies that are short-sighted and increase poverty.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Do you think there should be any taxes? If not, describe how you would make the nation work without them.

If you do, there's the idea of people paying 'their fair share' of the taxes.

When you cut one groups's taxes below their 'fair share' for reasons of 'corruption' to serve that group and shift the tax burden onto others, ou can call that a form of welfare.

It may not be as black and white since the definition of 'fair share' is not black and white, but the analogy is a lot better than you say. The bum's fair share is zero, if he has nothing.

That's why we want democratic programs like welfare that turn bums into workers who pay taxes, not Republican policies that are short-sighted and increase poverty.

Why do we have to have groups when discussing taxes? Yes we need taxes, the simplest solution is a flat tax. Truly thats the only fair federal tax. Now if you believe taxes should be based upon usage or ownership....the bum has nothing there for he should have no taxes, well we already have that. And again its taxes. Theres a tax on gas to cover how much I use. Theres utility taxes to cover the fact I shower twice a day and the bum doesnt shower.

The problem is the democratic programs encourage abuse and reliance on the system. You wont see many productive workers moving from paid for food and housing to getting bent over twice a month and taxed out the ass, then given a pitance of whats left over. Of course the Democrats dont really want to point out that little tidbit of info do they? By your logic I suppose we could put a time limit of 4 years on social programs and after that people are ineligible for assistance since hell, they should all be productive workers by then right??

Or maybe not. Maybe the programs simply foster the attitude of "Mine, for free".

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

I like how delusional people are about what exactly a person can afford on minimum wage/welfare. The lowest paying job I've held while supporting myself was 10$ an hour and I barely had extra money after bills to spend; I can't imagine someone making minimum wage actually being able to support themselves.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu
I like how delusional people are about what exactly a person can afford on minimum wage/welfare. The lowest paying job I've held while supporting myself was 10$ an hour and I barely had extra money after bills to spend; I can't imagine someone making minimum wage actually being able to support themselves.

You said it yourself. Your worst paying job was 50% higher than Min wage. Almost nobody works on Min wage and the people who do are overwhelmingly in the food service industry and under 25 years of age. In other words kids or college students working for tips. They arent supporting a family, only need cash for school or drinking money.

They total a whole 1.8% of the workforce.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu
I like how delusional people are about what exactly a person can afford on minimum wage/welfare. The lowest paying job I've held while supporting myself was 10$ an hour and I barely had extra money after bills to spend; I can't imagine someone making minimum wage actually being able to support themselves.

You said it yourself. Your worst paying job was 50% higher than Min wage. Almost nobody works on Min wage and the people who do are overwhelmingly in the food service industry and under 25 years of age. In other words kids or college students working for tips. They arent supporting a family, only need cash for school or drinking money.

They total a whole 1.8% of the workforce.

THIS

 

[Farang]

A rich guitarist is opposed to progressive taxation, but doesn't seem to understand why we have progressive taxation and instead launches into a lengthy, inflammatory diatribe based off of a campaign slogan ("spread the wealth"). I'll pass.

 

[alien42]

good to see Ted is still an ignorant douchebag.

 

[conehead433]

Ted probably thinks we should all have to go out and kill our own food.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu
I like how delusional people are about what exactly a person can afford on minimum wage/welfare. The lowest paying job I've held while supporting myself was 10$ an hour and I barely had extra money after bills to spend; I can't imagine someone making minimum wage actually being able to support themselves.

You can make more then that and still be eligible for some of the social services programs.

Reduced price housing, food stamps, things like that.

 

[jonks]

ah, bitter tears, bitter tears

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu
I like how delusional people are about what exactly a person can afford on minimum wage/welfare. The lowest paying job I've held while supporting myself was 10$ an hour and I barely had extra money after bills to spend; I can't imagine someone making minimum wage actually being able to support themselves.

You can make more then that and still be eligible for some of the social services programs.

Reduced price housing, food stamps, things like that.

Where does that money come from?

Where in the Constitution is that authorized?

 

[retrospooty]

Sorry if I dont take political opinions from "ze wango ze tango" Ted Nugent LOL - They guy is a nutbag. (or was it "wang dang sweet puntang"? I forget.

I should also remind you that Obama's tax plan is simply going back to the tax rates we had under Clinton - remember when we were prosperous?

Nugent's argument seems sound if you just read it, but its based on the false fact that going back to the tax rates we had under Clinton will result in less jobs and hurt the economy. That simply isnt true.

NEXT!!!

 

[Robor]

Ted Nugent's music sucks and he's a moron. He needs to STFU and go live in a cabin in the woods.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Craig234
Do you think there should be any taxes? If not, describe how you would make the nation work without them.

If you do, there's the idea of people paying 'their fair share' of the taxes.

When you cut one groups's taxes below their 'fair share' for reasons of 'corruption' to serve that group and shift the tax burden onto others, ou can call that a form of welfare.

It may not be as black and white since the definition of 'fair share' is not black and white, but the analogy is a lot better than you say. The bum's fair share is zero, if he has nothing.

That's why we want democratic programs like welfare that turn bums into workers who pay taxes, not Republican policies that are short-sighted and increase poverty.

Why do we have to have groups when discussing taxes? Yes we need taxes, the simplest solution is a flat tax.

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
- H. L. Mencken

Truly thats the only fair federal tax.

I disagree. I think that it's unfair, and the only 'fair system' is a progressive tax system. Most Americans, now and historically, seem to agree with me, happily.

Now if you believe taxes should be based upon usage or ownership....the bum has nothing there for he should have no taxes, well we already have that. And again its taxes. Theres a tax on gas to cover how much I use. Theres utility taxes to cover the fact I shower twice a day and the bum doesnt shower.

I really think you misunderstand the purpose of taxes. It's not to 'tax' in some fair way involving how many showers you take. It's simply to say "we need X dollars to pay for the cost of our society's government, and we want to tax in ways that are both practical - you can't get blood from a turnip - and which are best in terms of economic and mora al effects." Unfortunately, that ideal is corrupted by the fact that every interest wants to pay less, and tax that fellow behind the tree.

The problem is the democratic programs encourage abuse and reliance on the system.

That's one factor, which right-wing ideologues hugely exaggerate and distort to the point that programs that are very helpful at increasing productivity are demonized.

Social Security slashed elder poverty from 90% to 10%; Republicans opposed it as 'unworkable'. Medicare has greatly reduced the problem of the elderly and poor having untreated medical problems; Republians opposed it as 'not the right solution'. The Great Society slashed the long-term poverty rate by a third; Republicans opposed it as 'creating dependancy', not without *some* truth democrats acknowledged, but with exaggeration hiding the overall success of the policies. And there are a lot more where those came from.

Look, here's some perspective for you on the facts versus the right-wing ideology you appear to have fallen victim to on the 'baiout is welfare' topic.

Just take the current $750B bailout (not counting the fact it's really already closer to $2 trillion and expected to grow a lot), to pay for the failures of the private 'deregulation'.

Courtesy of Harper's Index:

- Percentage by which the $750 billion bailout exceeds the total U. S. GDP of a century ago, adjusted for inflation: 50

- Percentage by which it exceeds the entire cost of the New Deal: 33

Factor by which it exceeds the cost of the 1990 saving-and-loan bailout: 3

Of course, that last bailout was yet another 'wefare' bailout for the failure of de-regulation.

We could go on - for example, the 'welfare costs' of the US military and foreign policy serving US corporate interests, often at large cost to taxpayers much less the foreigners.

I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
- U. S. Marine General Smedley Butler

It seems to me that you have an ignroant, emotional, and harmful response to social programs, causing you to fixate on them both to exaggerate their cost while being blind to the real corruption and waste, and to underestimate their benefit - both economic and moral.

 

[SP33Demon]

IIRC McCain's tax plan would have cost slightly more than Obama's, so Ted should stfu. Both plans suck, it's just that Ted gets the hot poker instead of me with Obama winning.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: mooseracing
Obama, King of Fools
by Ted Nugent

If and when President Obama attempts to impose his wrong-headed, punitive tax structure, their stupidity is going to come back to thump them upside their vacuous heads with a very painful crowbar of reality.

The economy works in strange and wondrous ways and has a unique way of severely punishing fools. Rare justice is a beautiful thing.

These dunderheads have no clue how the economic mess was largely caused by Democrats, including Obama.

The President Obama tax plan punishes the producers -- the people who employ the majority of Americans. In Joe the Plumber terms, economic crap will quickly flow down hill and punish the employees. I mean former employees. The result of spreading the wealth around is spreading unemployment around.

Conversely, the McCain economic plan was based on tax cuts, which spur the economy forward, create jobs, and raise the standard of living for everyone. Pretty simple stuff, unless you are a stooge, comfortable in your ignorance who is easily manipulated and believes someone owes you something, such as healthcare and a job.

Do yourself and America a favor. Stay in or go back to school. It's the economy, stupid.

Text

I'm not a McCain fan, but I enjoy Ted's thinking. I think we have the same morons in Congress as well. Instead of working I should be trying to live on Welfare, while still getting better housing than I have, lease new cars, and get a bailout to pay my leases.

Maybe someday the majority of America will actually vote for someone that will make a difference in a positive way insteading of continuing to try and put the spoon in the majority of the voting publics mouth.

Sometimes it would also seem likes it time for a natual disaster to happen to slim the bottom feeders out of the population.

The rest of you can enjoy your "1984" scene.

You betcha Ted.

Punish punish punish the greedy bastards

I hope Obama punishes so hard you are the first to leave.

What do you produce Ted other than bullshit?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Craig234

I disagree. I think that it's unfair, and the only 'fair system' is a progressive tax system. Most Americans, now and historically, seem to agree with me, happily.

Of course they agree with you. The majority of this country is not rich, therefor they will vote for the politician who promises them money. You dont bive money to the rich, you give it to the middle class and poor. So no, the progressive tax is in fact NOT fair. EVERY American benefits from the Federal Government, so why then should some pay more for that? But that extends into the problem of what our government does......

I really think you misunderstand the purpose of taxes. It's not to 'tax' in some fair way involving how many showers you take. It's simply to say "we need X dollars to pay for the cost of our society's government, and we want to tax in ways that are both practical - you can't get blood from a turnip - and which are best in terms of economic and mora al effects." Unfortunately, that ideal is corrupted by the fact that every interest wants to pay less, and tax that fellow behind the tree.

The purpose of taxes as originally porposed was to support the basic operations of the federal government. That is to maintain a standing army and regulate interstate commerce.

However aat some point past that taxes became nothing more then a program to redistribute wealth from the haves to the have nots. If you were familiar with the federal budget you would see this as you would know that social programs as a whole represent the largest line item in the budget. In fact, they account for roughly 50% of the entire federal budget. Simply put, if the federal government was doing what it was originally designed to do the federal budget would instantly be cut over 50%. More then likely you would see upwards of a 75% drop.

That's one factor, which right-wing ideologues hugely exaggerate and distort to the point that programs that are very helpful at increasing productivity are demonized.

Social Security slashed elder poverty from 90% to 10%; Republicans opposed it as 'unworkable'. Medicare has greatly reduced the problem of the elderly and poor having untreated medical problems; Republians opposed it as 'not the right solution'. The Great Society slashed the long-term poverty rate by a third; Republicans opposed it as 'creating dependancy', not without *some* truth democrats acknowledged, but with exaggeration hiding the overall success of the policies. And there are a lot more where those came from.

Look, here's some perspective for you on the facts versus the right-wing ideology you appear to have fallen victim to on the 'baiout is welfare' topic.

Just take the current $750B bailout (not counting the fact it's really already closer to $2 trillion and expected to grow a lot), to pay for the failures of the private 'deregulation'.

Courtesy of Harper's Index:

- Percentage by which the $750 billion bailout exceeds the total U. S. GDP of a century ago, adjusted for inflation: 50

- Percentage by which it exceeds the entire cost of the New Deal: 33

Factor by which it exceeds the cost of the 1990 saving-and-loan bailout: 3

Of course, that last bailout was yet another 'wefare' bailout for the failure of de-regulation.

We could go on - for example, the 'welfare costs' of the US military and foreign policy serving US corporate interests, often at large cost to taxpayers much less the foreigners.

I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
- U. S. Marine General Smedley Butler

It seems to me that you have an ignroant, emotional, and harmful response to social programs, causing you to fixate on them both to exaggerate their cost while being blind to the real corruption and waste, and to underestimate their benefit - both economic and moral.

See my post above. Doesnt matter, as most of what you cite is NOT the job of the federal government as originally intended. Taxes have become nothing more then a program to redistribute wealth. But to address your points, Social Security has a deficit, Medic* is consuming vast amounts of money. I suppose its easy to tout the success of programs designed to take wealth from the motivated, educated and sucessful and give it to the unmotivated high school drop outs. Perhaps however you should think about the other side of that coin. What has been denied from those you take the money from........

The problem is, once the entitlement mentality is planted its impossible to get rid of, and in fact is quite often supported as being "successful".

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
The problem is, once the entitlement mentality is planted its impossible to get rid of, and in fact is quite often supported as being "successful".

Which explains why all those CEOs kept giving themselves pay raises and bonuses as their companies tanked, then asked for a bailout, then used that taxpayer funded bailout money to send their executives on 6-figure retreats to high-class spas.... No, it's the poor in this country who have the "entitlement mentality."

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Robor
Ted Nugent's music sucks and he's a moron. He needs to STFU and go live in a cabin in the woods.

I think he does live in a cabin in the woods.
He is a dangerous moron, bordering on a militia leader.
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[Kirby]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Robor
Ted Nugent's music sucks and he's a moron. He needs to STFU and go live in a cabin in the woods.

I think he does live in a cabin in the woods.
He is a dangerous moron, bordering on a militia leader.
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