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Accipiter22

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shortage...B.S.

Gas shortages hit the East Coast
Some distribution terminals see shortages while industry phases out additive.
April 20, 2006: 4:51 PM EDT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Some gasoline distribution terminals from Virginia to Massachusetts are seeing shortages as the industry phases out a water-polluting additive, the U.S. Energy Department said on Thursday.

The Energy Department has reported shortages at terminals near Richmond, Virginia, as well as the Tidewater area near Chesapeake Bay and Virginia Beach which distribute gasoline to service stations.

The terminals, which hold millions of gallons of gasoline in giant tanks, distribute supplies from refineries to gas stations.

Northern Virginia, Baltimore and Boston are also seeing shortages, the department's Office of Electricity Delivery and Energy Reliability said.

The Baltimore-Washington, D.C. area has some of the highest retail gasoline prices in the country, with pump prices above $3 a gallon at many stations for regular unleaded fuel.

The National Association of Convenience Stores, whose 2,200 member stores account for 75 percent of U.S. gasoline sales, also said members had reported shortages at terminals around Wilmington, Delaware, and Philadelphia.

The shortages are not because refiners are not making enough gasoline, or because of a recent rupture on the key Plantation Pipeline that carries supplies from the Gulf Coast to the East Coast, industry officials said.

Rather, the oil industry is rapidly eliminating a gasoline additive called MTBE, banned in several states for polluting ground water, and replacing it with ethanol, a renewable fuel that can't be shipped by pipeline because it absorbs water.

"There's not a shortage of supply," said John Eichberger, a spokesman for the group. "It's a transitional issue."

Because ethanol is a solvent, it will strip corrosion and impurities that build up inside gasoline storage tanks, allowing them to mingle with gasoline supplies.

That means terminal operators must drain giant tanks that hold gasoline stocks and scrub out the impurities before they can be refilled with ethanol-enriched gasoline, he said.

"That's going to compromise supplies for awhile," he said.

The American Petroleum Institute said 40 percent of the gasoline produced in the United States by the first week of April was blended with ethanol, up from 33 percent a year ago.
 

musicman64

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Not sure what part of the story you're calling BS on, but I can tell you I had a heck of a time finding gas in the Norfolk, VA area last night. Had to go almost 10 miles before I found a pump.
 

jrenz

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Fortunately, I have recently converted my automobile to run on a blend of everclear and 151.
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: jrenz
Fortunately, I have recently converted my automobile to run on a blend of everclear and 151.

And you thought gas was expensive! :shocked:
 

Lonyo

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We get to pay the equivelant of $6.75, so STFU with all your whining bullcrap kthx.
 

jrenz

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: jrenz
Fortunately, I have recently converted my automobile to run on a blend of everclear and 151.

And you thought gas was expensive! :shocked:

Who said I did it because of the cost? The exhaust pipe emits delicious cocktails.
 

jrenz

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Originally posted by: Lonyo
We get to pay the equivelant of $6.75, so STFU with all your whining bullcrap kthx.

I suppose it's easier when the furthest you have to drive on any given day is 30 feet. I commute 300 miles twice a day to my high paying, low stress job.
 

acemcmac

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In 6 weeks, I'm going to be starting a 4-6 year personal moratorium on commuting via automobile thanks to my new proximity to reigonal rails... :)
 

Svnla

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Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: Lonyo
We get to pay the equivelant of $6.75, so STFU with all your whining bullcrap kthx.

I suppose it's easier when the furthest you have to drive on any given day is 30 feet. I commute 300 miles twice a day to my high paying, low stress job.

600 miles per day commute? For real? If so, how long is the drive and how much you pay for gas per week?

 

jrenz

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Originally posted by: Svnla
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: Lonyo
We get to pay the equivelant of $6.75, so STFU with all your whining bullcrap kthx.

I suppose it's easier when the furthest you have to drive on any given day is 30 feet. I commute 300 miles twice a day to my high paying, low stress job.

600 miles per day commute? For real? If so, how long is the drive and how much you pay for gas per week?

I'm a professional commuter. The oil industry pays me to use gas at outrageous rates.

Where else do you think the shortage is coming from?
 

Savij

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Originally posted by: Lonyo
We get to pay the equivelant of $6.75, so STFU with all your whining bullcrap kthx.

And roughly $5 of that is going to the queen's purse.
 

Scarpozzi

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Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: Svnla
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: Lonyo
We get to pay the equivelant of $6.75, so STFU with all your whining bullcrap kthx.

I suppose it's easier when the furthest you have to drive on any given day is 30 feet. I commute 300 miles twice a day to my high paying, low stress job.

600 miles per day commute? For real? If so, how long is the drive and how much you pay for gas per week?

I'm a professional commuter. The oil industry pays me to use gas at outrageous rates.

Where else do you think the shortage is coming from?

The White House?
 

GeneValgene

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i work in the oil and gas industry. it's environmental regulations that are forcing refineries to move away from MTBE, and in the process of those conversions, there will be some down time for construction and turn around. let me tell you this, ALL companies sure as hell want that downtime to be as short as possible, as every minute they bring a unit offline is millions of dollars lost...so you can bet that the refineries are doing their darndest to get stuff moving. we are pulling 24/7 shifts to get things done.
 

Scarpozzi

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Originally posted by: GeneValgene
i work in the oil and gas industry. it's environmental regulations that are forcing refineries to move away from MTBE, and in the process of those conversions, there will be some down time for construction and turn around. let me tell you this, ALL companies sure as hell want that downtime to be as short as possible, as every minute they bring a unit offline is millions of dollars lost...so you can bet that the refineries are doing their darndest to get stuff moving. we are pulling 24/7 shifts to get things done.
Thanks buddy, you just killed my joke. :p
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Lonyo
We get to pay the equivelant of $6.75, so STFU with all your whining bullcrap kthx.


We can whine all we want. If you want cheaper gas, then move or lobby your government to cut the 75% of the price of your gas TAX!!!
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: GeneValgene
i work in the oil and gas industry. it's environmental regulations that are forcing refineries to move away from MTBE, and in the process of those conversions, there will be some down time for construction and turn around. let me tell you this, ALL companies sure as hell want that downtime to be as short as possible, as every minute they bring a unit offline is millions of dollars lost...so you can bet that the refineries are doing their darndest to get stuff moving. we are pulling 24/7 shifts to get things done.

Lets not forget the at capacity wells.
A new refinery was green lighted....And has went nowhere.
Why?
They cant find any suppliers willing to sign contracts.

Folks, its gonna get a whole lot worse before it gets any better.
I *seriously* urge you to buy a gas can or three and keep some gas on hand.
Why? Cause you just never know. And having a tank worth of gas in the garage is solid peace of mind that should a shortage go more then a few days you will still be able to function.
 

Looney

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I just filled up my tank yesterday for $50. Thankfully, that will last me about a month, so not too much complaining here. Although i'm seirously thinking on picking up a bike (sport) for the summer.
 

Accipiter22

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Originally posted by: musicman64
Not sure what part of the story you're calling BS on, but I can tell you I had a heck of a time finding gas in the Norfolk, VA area last night. Had to go almost 10 miles before I found a pump.

i'm saying it's a fake shortage, they're just doin it to justify prices
 

Accipiter22

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Lonyo
We get to pay the equivelant of $6.75, so STFU with all your whining bullcrap kthx.


We can whine all we want. If you want cheaper gas, then move or lobby your government to cut the 75% of the price of your gas TAX!!!

and all their commutes are like 300 feet. and they have a highly efficient mass transit system.
 

Accipiter22

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Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Okay, so why are California's prices so damned high? We got rid of MTBE years ago.

why is Cali always on the forefront of medical/tech stuff??
 

smack Down

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: GeneValgene
i work in the oil and gas industry. it's environmental regulations that are forcing refineries to move away from MTBE, and in the process of those conversions, there will be some down time for construction and turn around. let me tell you this, ALL companies sure as hell want that downtime to be as short as possible, as every minute they bring a unit offline is millions of dollars lost...so you can bet that the refineries are doing their darndest to get stuff moving. we are pulling 24/7 shifts to get things done.

Lets not forget the at capacity wells.
A new refinery was green lighted....And has went nowhere.
Why?
They cant find any suppliers willing to sign contracts.

Folks, its gonna get a whole lot worse before it gets any better.
I *seriously* urge you to buy a gas can or three and keep some gas on hand.
Why? Cause you just never know. And having a tank worth of gas in the garage is solid peace of mind that should a shortage go more then a few days you will still be able to function.

Your the reason they should implement rationing. Nothing better for tight supplies then people hording gas.
 

Rubycon

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Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Okay, so why are California's prices so damned high? We got rid of MTBE years ago.


Because it's Kalifornia. :p

This is probably the transistional burp in price. See as I am told the bunkers have to be drained and cleaned as ethanol is a scavenger and you cannot bunker this new blend without doing this process first. This ties up supplies resulting in microshortages - with demand staying the same the price will shoot up right?