More Fast N Furious guns surface at crimes in Mexico

[thraashman]

Guns don't kill people.

Hmmm, if you use conservative logic here, then you're right and these guns from Fast and Furious don't matter because guns don't kill people.

 

[BoberFett]

Guns don't kill people.

The ATF does?

 

[dank69]

The ATF does?

I guess, if every gun shop kills people, too.

 

[irishScott]

And this is the problem with conservatives. The President's words when asked a question that was him putting a personal perspective on a situation when using words of understanding and condolence is attacked using the stupidest of manners.

You know, I've seen you post enough to know you can't engage me in an intelligent conversation when it comes to political topics, so I just won't even try.

Apparently you haven't seen enough, smartass, because I'm a "Conservative" who's voted twice for Tim Kaine (for Governor and Senator), twice for Mark Warner (for Governor and Senator), and once for Jim Webb (Senator).

By contrast my Republican votes consist of 2 votes for Frank Wolf (Congress), 1 vote for McCain, 1 vote for Romney, and 1 vote for Bob McDonnell (Governor).

So I'm 5-5. Yep, nothing but pure, God-fearing red-blooded conservative over here.


The President should never have become involved in what was little more than a local tragedy spun into a media circus. He should have offered his sincere, formal condolences, and then if he decided further involvement was necessary he should have been a voice of moderation and reason, overtly taking neither side. Instead he blatantly empathized with Trayvon and his supporters, despite the fact that not all details were known (and he got noticeably quieter after they came to light), and clearly picked a side. He didn't calm or moderate or lead, he further polarized, and he probably knew what he was doing.

 

[irishScott]

I guess, if every gun shop kills people, too.

Every gun shop is intentionally selling untraceable guns to murderous Mexican drug lords? News to me.

 

[dank69]

Every gun shop is intentionally selling untraceable guns to murderous Mexican drug lords? News to me.

So untraceable guns kill people? :hmm:

 

[irishScott]

So untraceable guns kill people? :hmm:

In the hands of the ATF, apparently so.

 

[dank69]

In the hands of the ATF, apparently so.

Yeah, I didn't think so.

 

[monovillage]

1. So the AG should be involved in every case, no matter how seemingly small it is at the time? Why even hire other federal prosecuters to handle various judicial districts? We can save a lot of money if the AG did all the work.

2. You simply cannot ONLY blame Obama.

3. There may be laws but you need a) to be able to prove a law was broken and b) a person to handle the case.

4) lol at you.

1. The buck stops with Obama, he's the president and the Commander in Chief. You keep making excuses for him and his administration because you know he's not capable of handling the responsibility of the office.

 

[Jhhnn]

Every gun shop is intentionally selling untraceable guns to murderous Mexican drug lords? News to me.

Heh. So lame. Every gun shop is selling guns to anybody who pays & can pass the background check, regardless of where the guns go after that.

You don't have a problem with that, do you?

 

[irishScott]

Heh. So lame. Every gun shop is selling guns to anybody who pays & can pass the background check, regardless of where the guns go after that.

You don't have a problem with that, do you?

Given that they aren't knowingly selling guns to criminals (unlike the ATF), and they are running background checks, no I don't have a problem. Why should I?

 

[Jhhnn]

Given that they aren't knowingly selling guns to criminals (unlike the ATF), and they are running background checks, no I don't have a problem. Why should I?

Knowingly, as in nudge, nudge, wink, wink- know what I mean, know what I mean? Gun store owners aren't generally in a position to pick their customers, so they mostly just go pro forma, by the book.

The BATF got involved when a gun store owner got suspicious & called them in. They worked with him to document suspicious sales & to track weapons after sale, but the US attorney refused to issue warrants.

He changed his tune quickly after the shooting of a border agent where one of those guns was involved.

Prior to that, he acted like Sgt Shultz on Hogan's Heroes, despite all the evidence that BATF agents brought to him.

 

[irishScott]

Knowingly, as in nudge, nudge, wink, wink- know what I mean, know what I mean? Gun store owners aren't generally in a position to pick their customers, so they mostly just go pro forma, by the book.

The BATF got involved when a gun store owner got suspicious & called them in. They worked with him to document suspicious sales & to track weapons after sale, but the US attorney refused to issue warrants.

He changed his tune quickly after the shooting of a border agent where one of those guns was involved.

Prior to that, he acted like Sgt Shultz on Hogan's Heroes, despite all the evidence that BATF agents brought to him.

Yeah, so if you have a problem with going by the book, blame the book. Oh wait, you can't really, because if your political advocates got their way the book would be more about slowly, underhandedly banning scary-looking guns than actually catching criminals.

And I'm also recalling instances where gun store owners called the ATF to check because they had suspicions, and because of fast and furious the ATF ordered them to go ahead with the sale. Wonder how many dead innocents those orders uselessly caused.

 

[dank69]

Yeah, so if you have a problem with going by the book, blame the book. Oh wait, you can't really, because if your political advocates got their way the book would be more about slowly, underhandedly banning scary-looking guns than actually catching criminals.

And I'm also recalling instances where gun store owners called the ATF to check because they had suspicions, and because of fast and furious the ATF ordered them to go ahead with the sale. Wonder how many dead innocents those orders uselessly caused.

You can't make that assertion unless you can prove that the criminals could not have obtained guns in any other manner.

 

[bshole]

1. The buck stops with Obama, he's the president and the Commander in Chief. You keep making excuses for him and his administration because you know he's not capable of handling the responsibility of the office.

As witnessed by our soaring economy, shrinking deficit, record high stock market and rising home values. I suppose conservatives want another "capable" president like Bush to create a brand new depression for us.

Here is news for you... most Americans don't give a damn about Fast&Furious, BenGhazi and Obama's birth certificate. They care about how they themselves are doing. Most of them (like me) are prospering under Obama (while they suffered horribly under Bush, like me).

I am literally shocked at how quickly and efficiently Obama brought us out of the greatest depression in my lifetime. It is a towering achievement. It is an achievement that benefits conservatives as well liberals. The conservatives need to show some appreciation for what Obama has done for them and quit harping on issues that do nothing but make them look small and partisan.

 

[Matt1970]

As witnessed by our soaring economy, shrinking deficit, record high stock market and rising home values. I suppose conservatives want another "capable" president like Bush to create a brand new depression for us.

Here is news for you... most Americans don't give a damn about Fast&Furious, BenGhazi and Obama's birth certificate. They care about how they themselves are doing. Most of them (like me) are prospering under Obama (while they suffered horribly under Bush, like me).

I am literally shocked at how quickly and efficiently Obama brought us out of the greatest depression in my lifetime. It is a towering achievement. It is an achievement that benefits conservatives as well liberals. The conservatives need to show some appreciation for what Obama has done for them and quit harping on issues that do nothing but make them look small and partisan.

As much as you want it to be true Bush didn't cause the RECESSION and more than Obama pulled us out of it.

 

[dank69]

As much as you want it to be true Bush didn't cause the RECESSION and more than Obama pulled us out of it.

Correct. GOP policy caused the recession and Liberal policy pulled us out of it in spite of GOP obstruction. GOP obstruction that slowed the process of climbing out.

 

[Jhhnn]

You can't make that assertion unless you can prove that the criminals could not have obtained guns in any other manner.

True, but it's obviously very important to be able to blame the ATF for consequences created by pro-gun US attorneys.

Store owners come to ATF with suspicions. ATF amasses evidence, presents it to US attorney, who ignores it. ATF amasses more evidence, which is again ignored. Wash, rinse, repeat until a border agent is killed.

Pro-gun advocates then twist the whole thing into an anti-ATF Anti-Holder anti-Obama tirade rather than rightfully blaming their friendly US attorney & lax statutes. Had he acted more responsibly and forcefully, they'd be all over him for violating their Freedumbs.

The faux concern & contrived outrage of misdirection thrive on the propaganda induced paranoia of all too many enthusiasts.

The best part, of course, is that the sales would have proceeded with or without ATF knowledge of suspicious activity. If one store owner refuses to deal with the perps, they just find others, but only just so long as the US attorney refuses to bust their asses & the system is purposefully rigged to prevent detection of straw buyers.

 

[Matt1970]

Correct. GOP policy caused the recession and Liberal policy pulled us out of it in spite of GOP obstruction. GOP obstruction that slowed the process of climbing out.

The left got their monster stimulus passed. It failed, the GOP was put in congress in 2010 to slow the liberal shopping spree.

 

[Incorruptible]

Correct. GOP policy caused the recession and Liberal policy pulled us out of it in spite of GOP obstruction. GOP obstruction that slowed the process of climbing out.

Wrong. It was big government and the interference of government into the housing industry which caused the recession. But keep on spreading lies.

 

[Attic]

It's amazing that an incompetent racist like holder can hold such a position of power....

If only I could get away with everything based on the color of my skin.