More Fast N Furious guns surface at crimes in Mexico

[monovillage]

It seems a few more guns that the BATF allowed to be sent down to Mexico have turned up at crime scenes.

Three more weapons from Fast and Furious have turned up at crime scenes in Mexico, CBS News has learned, as the toll from the controversial federal operation grows.

According to Justice Department tracing documents obtained by CBS News, all three guns are WASR-10 762-caliber Romanian rifles. Two were purchased by Fast and Furious suspect Uriel Patino in May and July of 2010.

Who was President back in 2010 ? Would that be Obama ? and who was Attorney general? Would that be Holder? No cause for concern, i'm sure that the open and transparent government by Obama will explain what happened, after all it was over 3 years ago.

Patino is said to have purchased 700 guns while under ATF's watch. Ever since, a steady stream of the guns have been recovered at crime scenes in Mexico and the U.S. But the Justice Department has refused repeated requests from Congress and CBS News to provide a full accounting. An estimated 1,400 guns are still on the street or unaccounted for.

Ooops, maybe not, i guess we can just chalk this up as another lie by that clown Obama.

The government first denied any guns had been allowed to "walk" into criminal hands. Later, the Justice Department acknowledged using the strategy, claiming it was intended to see where the weapons ended up in hopes of capturing a major cartel leader. But the agency ordered an immediate halt to the practice calling it highly improper.

The Justice Department's refusal to turn over certain Fast and Furious documents led to a bipartisan vote in the House of Representatives in June 2012 to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress. Then, the Obama administration used executive privilege for the first time, to withhold requested documents from Congress. The Republican-led House Oversight Committee is suing for release of the material.

I'm sure that it wasn't really Obama's fault and that Holder had nothing to do with it, that it's all Bush's fault or it's a non-scandal or what was the lefty lie......err spin on this story again?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57598487/more-fast-and-furious-guns-surface-at-crimes-in-mexico/

 

[justoh]

el nino

 

[irishScott]

Obama is and always has been little more than a charismatic bureaucrat. He's interested in staying in power, elevating his friends, and not much else apparently. The hope and change dogma has been proven to be complete bullshit.

For the record, I called it back in 2008. It's nice to see so many disillusioned ex rabid-Obama supporters, although I will admit I doubt we'd be much better off with McCain or Romney.

 

[PokerGuy]

It's amazing that an incompetent racist like holder can hold such a position of power....

 

[Genx87]

Oh they didnt provide full disclosure? What a shocker? Let me guess? "State secrets"? I am sure Obama will appoint Holder to investigate Holder over this issue again and clear it right up.

 

[HumblePie]

Obama is and always has been little more than a charismatic bureaucrat. He's interested in staying in power, elevating his friends, and not much else apparently. The hope and change dogma has been proven to be complete bullshit.

For the record, I called it back in 2008. It's nice to see so many disillusioned ex rabid-Obama supporters, although I will admit I doubt we'd be much better off with McCain or Romney.

This seems to be the nail on the head at this point. Although there are several things that Obama did that I agree with and give props to him for. Repeal of DADT is one of them. I give credit where credit is due, and a big middle finger where that is due too. Fast and Furious is an example of a big middle finger. However, I absolutely despise McCain, and think Romney wouldn't have been any better really.

 

[PokerGuy]

Oh they didnt provide full disclosure? What a shocker? Let me guess? "State secrets"? I am sure Obama will appoint Holder to investigate Holder over this issue again and clear it right up.

You're probably right. And anyone who might provide information as a whistle-blower will be charged with crimes and tossed in jail as part of the "most transparent ever" government.

 

[SaurusX]

If McCain was president we would have another AWB right now.

 

[irishScott]

This seems to be the nail on the head at this point. Although there are several things that Obama did that I agree with and give props to him for. Repeal of DADT is one of them. I give credit where credit is due, and a big middle finger where that is due too. Fast and Furious is an example of a big middle finger. However, I absolutely despite McCain, and think Romney wouldn't have been any better really.

True, he's done good, easy things. Or at least things he can directly control. When it comes to doing hard things and showing actual leadership, the closest he came was healthcare; and his more recent attempts (gun control, NSA "reform", apologizing for Trayvon, fast and furious) are beyond pathetic.

 

[bshole]

True, he's done good, easy things. Or at least things he can directly control. When it comes to doing hard things and showing actual leadership, the closest he came was healthcare; and his more recent attempts (gun control, NSA "reform", apologizing for Trayvon, fast and furious) are beyond pathetic.

Jesus, why do we have to keep hearing about that case? What is with the rampant monomania? Does that case REALLY need to be mentioned in each and every thread on this forum?

 

[Jhhnn]

Fast & Furious? You mean the faux outrage created because the pro-gun US attorney in Arizona refused to prosecute the perps?

 

[sm625]

This story serves as a reminder (to those who actually have brains left) that this country is run by criminal cartels. Why do you think there is no opposition to NSA tools being used to help the DEA? It's to clamp down on competition. If you're working for a cartel you dont get your head stomped by the NSA and DEA and all their parallel construction fancy schmancy terms for unconstitutional (ie lawless, criminal) activities. But if you're not in the cartel, then your ass is fair game. You get to be one of the 20 million+ in the prison system, serving the prison industrial complex (which is also a cartel). People just dont understand this stuff. It's like their brains have been programmed not to understand. Does not compute! Even though its so simple and so obvious.

 

[Incorruptible]

So obama and holder lied again and were responsible for the deaths of innocent people. It's a little strange that obama speaks out on the killing of Trayvon Martin yet completely ignores this case.

Also not surprised that his supporters refuse to address this case.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

He does this for us. Simply to improve our country and ensure we are the greatest super power.


Our Dear Leader does no wrong, he is only here for us, the very hard working people who should worship him.

 

[thraashman]

Fast & Furious? You mean the faux outrage created because the pro-gun US attorney in Arizona refused to prosecute the perps?

It is interesting that the people who rage most about Fast & Furious are also the ones who refuse to strengthen the weak gun laws that made it nearly impossible to prosecute the straw buyers who purchased the guns.

 

[Pens1566]

It is interesting that the people who rage most about Fast & Furious are also the ones who refuse to strengthen the weak gun laws that made it nearly impossible to prosecute the straw buyers who purchased the guns.

Or that the same program, under a different name, was started under Bush.

 

[bshole]

He does this for us. Simply to improve our country and ensure we are the greatest super power.

Our Dear Leader does no wrong, he is only here for us, the very hard working people who should worship him.

Thank you for standing up for Obama. I am with you 100%.

 

[monovillage]

Let's see, so far we have an

1. It's not Obama or Holder's fault because a federal US attorney refused to prosecute.

2. It's not Obama and Holder's fault because Bush did it first.

3. It's not Obama and Holders responsibility because we have lax gun laws in the US (although we have strict ones about smuggling guns out of the country)

4. A facetious post that nothing is ever Obama's fault because he's "the chosen one" that was believed by a low grade lefty poster.

 

[Brainonska511]

Let's see, so far we have an

1. It's not Obama or Holder's fault because a federal US attorney refused to prosecute.

2. It's not Obama and Holder's fault because Bush did it first.

3. It's not Obama and Holders responsibility because we have lax gun laws in the US (although we have strict ones about smuggling guns out of the country)

4. A facetious post that nothing is ever Obama's fault because he's "the chosen one" that was believed by a low grade lefty poster.

1. So the AG should be involved in every case, no matter how seemingly small it is at the time? Why even hire other federal prosecuters to handle various judicial districts? We can save a lot of money if the AG did all the work.

2. You simply cannot ONLY blame Obama.

3. There may be laws but you need a) to be able to prove a law was broken and b) a person to handle the case.

4) lol at you.

 

[zsdersw]

2. You simply cannot ONLY blame Obama.

Sure he can, because Obama is a Democrat.. and he orgasms whenever there is either a legitimate criticism to make about Obama or an easy opportunity to make one up.

 

[Brainonska511]

Sure he can, because Obama is a Democrat.. and he orgasms whenever there is either a legitimate criticism to make about Obama or an easy opportunity to make one up.

Thats true. I forgot who I was responding to...

 

[blankslate]

Fast & Furious? You mean the faux outrage created because the pro-gun US attorney in Arizona refused to prosecute the perps?

This was a factor certainly. However, the individual(s) at the ATF group in AZ that allowed the gunwalking isn't(aren't) blameless either.

However, maybe if Congress instead of stalling on appointments to various government positions had allowed them to go through the ATF would've been better disciplined.

The blame game can be played from several angles here. I feel that you can support 2A rights without supporting very permissive laws on straw purchasers though.

 

[irishScott]

Jesus, why do we have to keep hearing about that case? What is with the rampant monomania? Does that case REALLY need to be mentioned in each and every thread on this forum?

It's relevant in this case. The whole "if I had a son, he would have looked like Trayvon", "Trayvon could have been me 17 years ago.", and his laughable attempt to shoe-horn irrelevant gun control policies into the already raging debate, his entire conduct around that incident fits the profile of failed leadership.

 

[dank69]

Guns don't kill people.

 

[thraashman]

It's relevant in this case. The whole "if I had a son, he would have looked like Trayvon", "Trayvon could have been me 17 years ago.", and his laughable attempt to shoe-horn irrelevant gun control policies into the already raging debate, his entire conduct around that incident fits the profile of failed leadership.

And this is the problem with conservatives. The President's words when asked a question that was him putting a personal perspective on a situation when using words of understanding and condolence is attacked using the stupidest of manners.

You know, I've seen you post enough to know you can't engage me in an intelligent conversation when it comes to political topics, so I just won't even try.